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07-01-2004, 01:44 AM
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Sean Hill

I know my thread wont be everyones favorite, but among the UFA names I read, I really like the one of Sean Hill. This 92-93 Stanley Cup winner ( ;-) ) is now available.

My arguments:
- Right d-man
- Can run a power play
- 02-03 salary: 2,05 millions
- Patrice Brisebois 71 4-27-31 +17
Craig Rivet 80 4-8-12 -1
Mike Komisarek 46 0-4-4 +4
Stephane Quintal 73 3-5-8 +10
- This would give deepnees to the defensive squad. Since defensmen are highly injury prone, Souray past four seasons (71-52-34-63), Markov past two seasons (79-69), Brisebois past four seasons (between 71-77... but used to be like Souray and Rivet, playing about 35 games a year).... For Rivet, see Brisbois. ;-)
- Sean Hill made absolutely NO mistake during the 2004-05 playoffs.

The arguments you will bring:- We have Rivet who can play on the powerplay
- We have already three right d-men
- Quintal wasn't signed to allow Komisarek a place on the starting roster

Still, I think it would be a nice addition. We all know that on the left side, there is already Souray-Markov-Bouillon-Hainsey...... but on the right side, the list stops with Komisarek.... moreover, only one guy can provide good quality minutes on the powerplay, and his name is not Rivet. ;-) A corp of defensmen should never be made of only 6, but 8. Since the number is currently 7 for the Habs, I think Hill would be a quite good signing.

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How about this, for whatever reason, he only seems to play well in Carolina. St. Louis desperately wanted him to play well, but he did not and they traded him back to Carolina.

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He played well with Anaheim too! ;-)

Anyway, I am not talking about signing a top pairing d-man here.... just a guy that could provide to the team something it lacks: deepness on the right side, two good guys able to move the puck on the left side on the powerplay.

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we just traded quintal (veteran, old fart righty D) to make room for Koimsarek. Why now get Hill (veteran, old fart righty D)? We'd be going in circles. No thanks.

Also Hill was sub-par in MTL while Quintal did ok, loved to play here and would have taked a pay cut.

It's all about youth. the 7th spot will be taken by Hainsey or Beauchemin. They will both try to bump Bouillon.

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Yeah, this is how everyone figures it out in the medias and on this board. But I still think my idea makes sence. What was Quintal providing more than Rivet and Komisarek to the team??? : not that much. Hill however is a diffrent type of player who could be usefull to the Habs.

Everyone thinks that Quintal wasn't signed to allow Komisarek to get his place now.... what if he still splits time with other d-mens for a year or two (when no one is injuried)...

I just like bringing NEW ideas on the board instead of repeating what everybody else is saying. I still think that Hill would fit in nicely... think about it: our second PP specialist at that position had FOUR points over Quintal who played 7 less games and wasn't playing on the PP this season.

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07-01-2004, 09:32 AM
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Hill would be an excellent addition to our team. As it stands, we are one injury away from a debacle at RHD.

In addition, Hill adds more toughness at the blueline and allows Gainey the luxury of putting out feelers for Brisebois...possibly moving him when injuries make other teams look around for veteran help.

My recollection of Hill with the Habs is that he was unpolished and physical but mostly just young. Why dwell on the distant past. He has certainly proved himself since.

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We'd have to dump Brisebois' salary first.

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We'd have to dump Brisebois' salary first.
Not necessarily. Breezy is a bit injury prone. We could juggle things a bit, during any rare stretches when we are fully healthy.

I like Hill, he played really great hockey in the second half last year for the Canes, and he'd be our top-pairing RD and a PP fixture. He only got $2.05M last year. If it came down to it, I would definitely take him over Brisebois, and play him over Brisebois if everybody was healthy. I don't think we'd have much success trading Brisebois' contract anyway. And the great thing about Brisebois is that he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to complain much about ice time. Give him a couple of tickets for a ski trip in Europe to pass the time, and he'll get over it.

But of course, Hill didn't seem to be very interested in leaving Carolina at the deadline, and they have a pretty thin blueline situation themselves, so I'd be surprised if he was even willing to sign with us.

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If he likes so much Carolina, why didn't he already signed with them?

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If he likes so much Carolina, why didn't he already signed with them?
Probably because he (rightly) believes that the $2.05M they paid him last year was a bit below market value for the job he did for them. (He was basically their #1 guy, played big minutes, and chipped in pretty good offense on a team that was miserable at scoring). For what he did for them, he probably expects a raise. And of course (as demonstrated by the Weekes release) the Canes are a bit tight with money right now.

I would expect something will be worked out, unless another team comes in and blows Hill away with a ridiculous offer.

(I say this with absolutely no authority and nothing but bold-faced speculation, however, so I have to laugh when I read back through this reply. Oh well. . )

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Probably because he (rightly) believes that the $2.05M they paid him last year was a bit below market value for the job he did for them. (He was basically their #1 guy, played big minutes, and chipped in pretty good offense on a team that was miserable at scoring). For what he did for them, he probably expects a raise. And of course (as demonstrated by the Weekes release) the Canes are a bit tight with money right now.

I would expect something will be worked out, unless another team comes in and blows Hill away with a ridiculous offer.

(I say this with absolutely no authority and nothing but bold-faced speculation, however, so I have to laugh when I read back through this reply. Oh well. . )
You may be wright at the end! ;-)

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I would not hesitate to sign him, but only if Brisebois is traded.

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I would not hesitate to sign him, but only if Brisebois is traded.
The sad thing was that Hill and Brisebois both came up with the Habs at the same time years ago. Montreal protected Breezy because he was French Canadian and let Hill go. Over the years has been twice the defenceman at half the price. He still is twice the player and earns half the salary.

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The sad thing was that Hill and Brisebois both came up with the Habs at the same time years ago. Montreal protected Breezy because he was French Canadian and let Hill go. Over the years has been twice the defenceman at half the price. He still is twice the player and earns half the salary.
I think we can say that..... euh..... you are wrong. Hill has been good only in the past three years.

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Hill was always a good defensive defenseman, it is just in the last few years that he started to show some offense as well. Breezer was never good defensively and his offense has just been average.

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you are wright, Brisebois never lead defensmen in +/- and was never booed for no purpose.


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How about this, for whatever reason, he only seems to play well in Carolina. St. Louis desperately wanted him to play well, but he did not and they traded him back to Carolina.
Yeah, it seems that some players just seem to play well for a certain team and not so with others. Heres Hills stats, that show he plays very well for the Canes:
1992-1993 Canadiens 31 2 6 8 -5 54 1 0 1 0 37 5.4
1993-1994 Mighty Ducks 68 7 20 27 -12 78 2 1 1 0 165 4.2
1994-1995 Senators 45 1 14 15 -11 30 0 0 0 0 107 0.9
1995-1996 Senators 80 7 14 21 -26 94 2 0 2 0 157 4.5
1996-1997 Senators 5 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 9 0
1997-1998 Senators 13 1 1 2 -3 6 0 0 0 0 16 6.3
1997-1998 Hurricanes 42 0 5 5 -2 48 0 0 0 0 37 0
1998-1999 Hurricanes 54 0 10 10 9 48 0 0 0 0 44 0
1999-2000 Hurricanes 62 13 31 44 3 59 8 0 2 0 150 8.7
2000-2001 Blues 48 1 10 11 5 51 0 0 0 0 47 2.1
2001-2002 Blues 23 0 3 3 1 28 0 0 0 0 29 0
2001-2002 Hurricanes 49 7 23 30 -1 61 4 0 2 0 116 6
2002-2003 Hurricanes 82 5 24 29 4 141 1 0 0 0 188 2.7
2003-2004 Hurricanes 80 13 26 39 -2 84 6 0 1 0 228 5.7

NHL Totals 682 57 187 244 -39 786 24 1 9 0 1,330 4.3

Not sure how he would do here, but he might be OK for depth if it didn't interfere with Komys playing time which it possibly would.

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we need someone to make sure Dagenais won't be around instead .

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we need someone to make sure Dagenais won't be around instead .
Weah!, lets make sure to get rid of our 4th top scorer! We already lost our 5th to UFA anyway....

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Weah!, lets make sure to get rid of our 4th top scorer! We already lost our 5th to UFA anyway....
look good on paper but everybody know we could find something better in the systhem or via trade / ufa

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Hill fills a couple of crucial holes on D for us all at once. I would much rather we sign Hill over Kovalev for instance. We'd be a better team with Hill than with Kovalev imo. If we're going to spend the money, let's get rid of Brisebois and get a capable pair of hands on D who can also hit.

That would be a HUGE upgrade for us overall.

Next year, hopefully Komisarek will take more strides and take the #4 spot, then we can drop Rivet to the #6 slot, where he belongs on a pair with Hainsey perhaps. And then keep Bouillon as the depth guy....

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look good on paper but everybody know we could find something better in the systhem or via trade / ufa
I know, I could have exagerated more by talking about is +/-! ;'-)

Still, seriously, he was able to sit in front of the net, and I doubt a lot of players are able to do so in our roster.

.... if at one point of the year Rivet was used to sit in front of the net on the powerplay, that tells you are big are our wingers. ;-)

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Hill fills a couple of crucial holes on D for us all at once. I would much rather we sign Hill over Kovalev for instance. We'd be a better team with Hill than with Kovalev imo. If we're going to spend the money, let's get rid of Brisebois and get a capable pair of hands on D who can also hit.

That would be a HUGE upgrade for us overall.

Next year, hopefully Komisarek will take more strides and take the #4 spot, then we can drop Rivet to the #6 slot, where he belongs on a pair with Hainsey perhaps. And then keep Bouillon as the depth guy....
There is still a risk by getting rid of Brisebois... we all know he fits really well with the team and is the only defensman capable of moving the puck on the right side. I don't know why, but for instances, Hill wasn't a big offensive asset elsewhere than in Carolina... and Anaheim ;-) . Weither if was with St-Louis or Ottawa, he didn't put that much numbers.... and at 6'0", don't expect him to play like a 6'3" guy should play in front of his net... (by talking about 6'3" guys, I am not including Rivet! ;-) )

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There is still a risk by getting rid of Brisebois... we all know he fits really well with the team and is the only defensman capable of moving the puck on the right side. I don't know why, but for instances, Hill wasn't a big offensive asset elsewhere than in Carolina... and Anaheim ;-) . Weither if was with St-Louis or Ottawa, he didn't put that much numbers.... and at 6'0", don't expect him to play like a 6'3" guy should play in front of his net... (by talking about 6'3" guys, I am not including Rivet! ;-) )
That's a fallacy. Brisebois is NOT a capable puck mover. Hill IS a capable puck mover.

We can't get rid of Rivet yet, he has TWO years on his contract, Brisebois can be bought out NOW for $1 mil. Hill is a big upgrade over Breezy imo.

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That's a fallacy. Brisebois is NOT a capable puck mover. Hill IS a capable puck mover.

We can't get rid of Rivet yet, he has TWO years on his contract, Brisebois can be bought out NOW for $1 mil. Hill is a big upgrade over Breezy imo.
Brisebois cannot be bought out now for one million. That option in his contract comes into effect next summer.

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