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02-23-2011, 08:02 AM
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If Paul Statsny is available, you guys should give them what ever they want and go after him, I wish we would but were stuck with our #11
I'd be a little hesitant that pays full premium for a guy having a mediocre season (by his standards), and makes $6.6m. Truth be told, I really do think that a price tag like that brings his value down significantly. Phanouf is a good example.

On the flip side, he's obviously a great playmaker. Kessel would be happy. So it's not like he'd ever go for peanuts. I don't know what it would take to land him, truthfully.

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02-23-2011, 08:09 AM
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Wouldn't a spreadsheet work?
Good point: I would use a database rather than a spreadsheet but sure, a computer program could easily generate all that information. I suppose a visual learner would like having it all visible as an overview on a wall. But this should not be taken as an indication that other teams who don't have a "wall" are not likewise tracking the players and prospects of all other teams in the NHL and elsewhere.

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02-23-2011, 08:28 AM
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Good point: I would use a database rather than a spreadsheet but sure, a computer program could easily generate all that information. I suppose a visual learner would like having it all visible as an overview on a wall. But this should not be taken as an indication that other teams who don't have a "wall" are not likewise tracking the players and prospects of all other teams in the NHL and elsewhere.
The wall is much easier than a database in terms of viewing. If all you are looking for is a way to see the names, a database would be a huge waste of resources.

That being said, I am sure they have hard lists and I would bet that any database would be that of prospect and player evaluations that could be updated wirelessly from scouts around the world so that your source of knowledge about players is as updated as possible.

That makes sense for a database. Getting a bigger picture..well that's what the wall is for

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A database a waste of resources?

some places around the world they don't even HAVE walls.

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That's impressive. I somehow think only a handful of GMs do that, if that many.
it is pretty cool. it'd be fun to sit around that table with the scouts and management and see how they talk about the players in private. i'm sure its no different than the way we all talk about them. probably a lot less sophisticated than we might think.

i'm pretty sure most teams would have something similar to this. i've seen junior hockey "war rooms" have a wall similar to this.

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Wouldn't a spreadsheet work?
compare staring at a 21 inch screen to looking at a wall

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it is pretty cool. it'd be fun to sit around that table with the scouts and management and see how they talk about the players in private. i'm sure its no different than the way we all talk about them. probably a lot less sophisticated than we might think.

i'm pretty sure most teams would have something similar to this. i've seen junior hockey "war rooms" have a wall similar to this.
Watch the behind the scenes footage of Burke selecting his Olympic roster... it has scenes of Burke and Wilson and several others doing exactly what you're describing.


At one point, Burke says "How many ****** do we have?", and then goes on to list the "******" that he's selected: "Malone is a *****, Kesler's a *****, .." etc etc.
It's quite comical.

They also showed this wall in that documentary too.

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it's kind of like putting all your screwdrivers on a wall with hooks

it's not neccessary, but it looks impressive

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Good point: I would use a database rather than a spreadsheet but sure, a computer program could easily generate all that information. I suppose a visual learner would like having it all visible as an overview on a wall. But this should not be taken as an indication that other teams who don't have a "wall" are not likewise tracking the players and prospects of all other teams in the NHL and elsewhere.
Printing charts like that after every transaction would be a pain in the butt.

I would imagine they have all that information online, but it's always good to have visuals in meetings where you can talk and walk.

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Look for Paul Stastsy rumours to pick up steam.....Peter pulled a Frantisek Kaberle Sr.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=355005

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compare staring at a 21 inch screen to looking at a wall
I use a 24 inch at work, 26 inch at home and still print out 36 x 48 inch charts for clarity when discussing things.

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Look for Paul Stastsy rumours to pick up steam.....Peter pulled a Frantisek Kaberle Sr.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=355005
I doubt that has much influence on the team's management unless Paul comes out and says the same thing.

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Burke wanted to use the screen outside the ACC but apparently they couldn't get it through his office doors so they had to hang it outside.

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I use a 24 inch at work, 26 inch at home and still print out 36 x 48 inch charts for clarity when discussing things.
Everybody has different learning styles, which was a point in my original post. I, for one, would find it far easier and more useful to send a query to a database, "Display all leftwingers under 24 in the St. Louis Blues farm system" than to find the place on the wall. That would then be linked with scouting reports, stats etc. And shifting electrons with trades, demotions etc. is easier than moving pieces of paper around a crowded wall. That might not work for you, which is fine.

I am not criticizing Burke. It works for him. I am just suggesting that the implicit criticism in this thread of other organizations who may not have a "wall" is misplaced. They doubtless do their due diligence in tracking players also.

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Boston's 1st
Philly's 1st
Leafs 2nd
Philly's 3rd
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Stastny.

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It's easier for a team of several people to look at and discuss the wall than a computer screen, IMO. Also it's just always there for reference when you are doing other things on the comp.

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02-23-2011, 09:31 AM
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Everybody has different learning styles, which was a point in my original post. I, for one, would find it far easier and more useful to send a query to a database, "Display all leftwingers under 24 in the St. Louis Blues farm system" than to find the place on the wall. That would then be linked with scouting reports, stats etc. And shifting electrons with trades, demotions etc. is easier than moving pieces of paper around a crowded wall. That might not work for you, which is fine.

I am not criticizing Burke. It works for him. I am just suggesting that the implicit criticism in this thread of other organizations who may not have a "wall" is misplaced. They doubtless do their due diligence in tracking players also.
Obviously, the easy part is using a DB, but try explaining things on a small 26 inche monitor in a board room when there are dozens of relationships between dozens of objects with hundreds of attibutes.

What font size would you use to display 30 teams with 60 players each on your monitor?

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02-23-2011, 09:33 AM
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Obviously, the easy part is using a DB, but try explaining things on a small 26 inche monitor in a board room when there are dozens of relationships between dozens of objects with hundreds of attibutes.

What font size would you use to display 30 teams with 60 players each on your monitor?
He should have one of those huge touch screen monitors as his conference table.

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02-23-2011, 09:34 AM
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Obviously, the easy part is using a DB, but try explaining things on a small 26 inche monitor in a board room when there are dozens of relationships between dozens of objects with hundreds of attibutes.

What font size would you use to display 30 teams with 60 players each on your monitor?
If I had to do that, and I doubt it would happen very often, I would use an LCD projector or smartboard or something like that.

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Unless it's one of the young guys Colorado would be dope's to give up.. I want nothing to do with the guys on their roster.

These rumours about Liles make me nervous. He's not the puckmover people think he is. He had a hot October/November and has been mediocre at best since that time.

Not to mention he's over 30 and not a physical player.

Don't want, don't need.

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02-23-2011, 09:40 AM
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I wish, unless names like Kadri, Colborne and those 1st round picks are not part of the equation Colorado has no reason to listen. They would probably ask for Schenn as well.

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02-23-2011, 09:44 AM
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Everybody has different learning styles, which was a point in my original post. I, for one, would find it far easier and more useful to send a query to a database, "Display all leftwingers under 24 in the St. Louis Blues farm system" than to find the place on the wall. That would then be linked with scouting reports, stats etc. And shifting electrons with trades, demotions etc. is easier than moving pieces of paper around a crowded wall. That might not work for you, which is fine.

I am not criticizing Burke. It works for him. I am just suggesting that the implicit criticism in this thread of other organizations who may not have a "wall" is misplaced. They doubtless do their due diligence in tracking players also.
Probably that way so more people can look at it at once.

I'd bet they also have a database they can query when needed.

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Thats kick ass.

Only think better would be a giant table with little figurines (colour coded by team) representing all the players on a giant map of the world. Fletch could push them around with a little stick and Burke could sit high above on a throne looking down. Nonis relays Burke's order.

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