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Lopsided trades that turned around

Inspired by the Neal - Goligoski trade reactions on this board....

Could you name some trades in hockey history that seemed lopsided at the time there were made, but in retrospect favoured the team that seemingly was robbed?

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Lindros trade? I'm not sure what the initial expectations were for Quebec's return, but it seems like everything that could go right did there, both short term for 1992-93 and for their cup wins in Colorado...

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Recchi for Leclair and Desjardins in 1995? There were some others in that trade too but not so important players.

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Philadelphia trading Pete Peeters to Boston for Brad McCrimmon in 1982. Everyone was calling it a steal for Boston after the first season, when Peeters had a monster season (won Vezina, led NHL in wins, SO and GAA); but after that his lightbulb started to dim. He was fairly inconsistent and ended up being traded to Washington in '85 for the equally enigmatic Pat Riggin. Meanwhile, Brad McCrimmon quietly developed into one of (if not the) best defensive defencemen in the game.

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how about the brett hull trade? i guess, in a manner of speaking, it was lopsided one way, then it turned around, then it was lopsided again.

i read somewhere that, before they made the trade, the flames' braintrust asked themselves, "do we still make trade knowing that brett hull could be a 40 goal scorer?" "yes." "do we still make this trade knowing that brett hull could be a 50 goal scorer?" still "yes."

at the time of the trade, it looked lopsided. hull was a rookie of the year candidate and tied with joe nieuwendyk for league lead in rookie scoring until flames coach terry crisp banished him to the pressbox. nieuwendyk would end up with 50 goals and 90 points his rookie year, winning the calder handily and becoming only the second rookie after mike bossy to score 50 goals. so clearly hull had a tonne of offensive talent.

after the trade, hull (this was still his rookie season) promptly scores 7 goals in 10 playoff games, leading the team in goals. meanwhile, those two pieces (ramage and wamsley) don't put calgary over the top as was expected, and they get swept by the oilers in the second round.

the next year, calgary wins the cup. so it evens out, even though hull scored 40 goals and easily led the blues in goals and points. plus, calgary had three 50 goal scorers in loob, mullen, and nieuwendyk, plus an impressive array of other offensive talent in macinnis and suter, young up and coming talent in roberts and fleury, and they had added gilmour from the blues in the off-season after the hull trade. so hull, as good as he was, was expendable and they won a cup without him. so the trade had turned around.

then hull proceeds to score 72, 86, and 70 goals and wins a hart trophy. meanwhile, calgary fails to win another playoff round until 2004. it was lopsided again.

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The Phaneuf deal comes to mind immediately.

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Philadelphia trading Pete Peeters to Boston for Brad McCrimmon in 1982. Everyone was calling it a steal for Boston after the first season, when Peeters had a monster season (won Vezina, led NHL in wins, SO and GAA); but after that his lightbulb started to dim. He was fairly inconsistent and ended up being traded to Washington in '85 for the equally enigmatic Pat Riggin. Meanwhile, Brad McCrimmon quietly developed into one of (if not the) best defensive defencemen in the game.
Like the lightbulb reference.

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The Phaneuf deal comes to mind immediately.
I don't think that deal has done much for either team yet. Phaneuf has been okay but definitely not the force he was 5 years ago. Mayers is gone, White is gone, Hagman was just on waivers and Stajan has been Stajan. Steady but unspectacular.

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Philadelphia trading Pete Peeters to Boston for Brad McCrimmon in 1982. Everyone was calling it a steal for Boston after the first season, when Peeters had a monster season (won Vezina, led NHL in wins, SO and GAA); but after that his lightbulb started to dim. He was fairly inconsistent and ended up being traded to Washington in '85 for the equally enigmatic Pat Riggin. Meanwhile, Brad McCrimmon quietly developed into one of (if not the) best defensive defencemen in the game.
Peeters really benefitted from playing on perhaps Boston's best team after the Orr era. As the Bruins faded as a team, so did Peeters.

Turned out to be one of Sinden's worst trades.

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Inspired by the Neal - Goligoski trade reactions on this board....

Could you name some trades in hockey history that seemed lopsided at the time there were made, but in retrospect favoured the team that seemingly was robbed?
The Mogilny to VAN trade.

Buffalo Sabres traded Alexander Mogilny and 5th round selection (Todd Norman) in 1995 to the Vancouver Canucks for Mike Peca, Mike Wilson and 1st round selection (Jay McKee) in 1995.

Made on Draft Day if memory serves. I remember the fallout from dumping Mogilny for futures and kids. But not so fast...Peca ended up becoming a stud for BUF, and McKee was very solid D for years on team, and Wilson was eventually dealt for Rhett Warrener.

All three guys (Peca, McKee, Warrener) played every game for Sabres in playoffs when they lost to Stars in Cup Finals.

Mogilny was solid in VAN for a few years riding shotgun with Bure, but IMO impact was overshadowed by what Sabres got in return for him.

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maybe the Cam Neely trade?

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The Phaneuf deal comes to mind immediately.
Basically Calgary got rid of a big contract while it was still easily movable. that had the potential to severely hamper the team in years to come.

Initially, many Toronto fans out east, who only saw Phaneuf making flashy plays on Sportscenter, thought they'd robbed Calgary blind. I remember a lot of Oilers and Canuck fans warning jubilant Leaf fans on the main board that Phaneuf wasn't actually all he was cracked up to be. Seems that one year and two goals later, they've come to the realisation themselves.

Fortunately for Toronto, they didn't give up anything of value to bring in Phaneuf. I guess it remains to be seen whether or not his boat anchor of a contract will be a big hinderance.

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Peeters really benefitted from playing on perhaps Boston's best team after the Orr era. As the Bruins faded as a team, so did Peeters.

Turned out to be one of Sinden's worst trades.
McCrimmon would've fit in very well playing in the Garden on the Bruin teams of the mid-to-late 80s. At the very least, he would've helped take some of the pressure off of the always overworked Ray Bourque.


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Like the lightbulb reference.
I couldn't help myself.

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Recchi for Leclair and Desjardins in 1995? There were some others in that trade too but not so important players.
This was my first thought. A few of my friends were big Canadiens fans and they were ecstatic to pick up a star forward in Recchi. And all it cost them was a good top four defenseman and two throw-ins in Leclair and Gilbert Dionne. Funny how things turned out.

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This was my first thought. A few of my friends were big Canadiens fans and they were ecstatic to pick up a star forward in Recchi. And all it cost them was a good top four defenseman and two throw-ins in Leclair and Gilbert Dionne. Funny how things turned out.
Desjardins was a lot more than a "top 4" defenseman at the time of the trade.

He was at worst a top 2 Habs defenseman (Schneider), and arguably their #1. Had already played a huge part in winning a Stanley Cup and had played for Team Canada, in the 1991 Canada Cup.

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[QUOTE=reckoning;31180255]McCrimmon would've fit in very well playing in the Garden on the Bruin teams of the mid-to-late 80s. At the very least, he would've helped take some of the pressure off of the always overworked Ray Bourque.


To be fair to Harry Sinden (which isn't an easy task) that very summer Gord Kluzak was drafted to fill that role and projected to be more offensively skilled than McCrimmon.

Peeters for McCrimmon was ultimately a clear Philadelphia win. Boston's goaltending in early 1982, however, came down to Marco Baron and a vastly past his prime Rogie Vachon.

It was dire enough that Mike Moffat came in hot from the WJC and started Boston's playoff games.

The trade made sense at the time for both teams with Lindberg in Philly's system, but the Flyer's and especially McCrimmon certainly benefited most.

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This is a total guess but maybe the Shanahan for Pronger trade? I thought Shanny was popular in St. Louis and Pronger was young and had not yet reached his full potential at the time. Shanahan only spent a little more than one season in Hartford, though he performed well statistically and was their captain. We all know what type of player Pronger went on to become in St. Louis for almost a decade.

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This is a total guess but maybe the Shanahan for Pronger trade? I thought Shanny was popular in St. Louis and Pronger was young and had not yet reached his full potential at the time. Shanahan only spent a little more than one season in Hartford, though he performed well statistically and was their captain. We all know what type of player Pronger went on to become in St. Louis for almost a decade.
on the other hand, pronger, while a superstar and for a time their captain, was disappointing in the playoffs for st. louis. he was traded for a bag of crap and eric brewer, who also captained the blues to no playoff success and was himself traded for another bag, which may or may not turn out to be filled with similar crap (beukeboom = woywitka, 3rd rounder = doug lynch?)

meanwhile, shanahan was their captain, didn't want to be there, was traded for another captain (who not only didn't want to be there but also was basically a bag of crap when he was there), who then was traded for a guy that stayed for a decade and went on to captain them to the cup. not that it did hartford fans any good, but still.

final tally: five captains, three guys who didn't want to be there (including coffey), two (possibly three) bags of crap.

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Both the Linden and Wendell Clarke trades. Within a year or two of the trade of both those fan favorites, I doubt the fanbases would have wanted a do-over.

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Both the Linden and Wendell Clarke trades. Within a year or two of the trade of both those fan favorites, I doubt the fanbases would have wanted a do-over.
Yeah, the fans wanted a do-over on the Clark trade, right up until it happened. For practically the entire 1995-96 season the rumours swirled. I don't think Fletcher wanted to pull off that trade but I also don't think he had a choice.

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Both the Linden and Wendell Clarke trades. Within a year or two of the trade of both those fan favorites, I doubt the fanbases would have wanted a do-over.
Fans wanted the do-over, both those guys meant so much to the fans. Virtually no Canuck fans cared that Linden was an okay 3rd liner for his return tour, they were just happy he was in the right uniform again. And even though the initial return was great. Canuck fans would have still traded Bertuzzi, McCabe and Ruutu for Linden...

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McCrimmon would've fit in very well playing in the Garden on the Bruin teams of the mid-to-late 80s. At the very least, he would've helped take some of the pressure off of the always overworked Ray Bourque.


To be fair to Harry Sinden (which isn't an easy task) that very summer Gord Kluzak was drafted to fill that role and projected to be more offensively skilled than McCrimmon.

Peeters for McCrimmon was ultimately a clear Philadelphia win. Boston's goaltending in early 1982, however, came down to Marco Baron and a vastly past his prime Rogie Vachon.

It was dire enough that Mike Moffat came in hot from the WJC and started Boston's playoff games.

The trade made sense at the time for both teams with Lindberg in Philly's system, but the Flyer's and especially McCrimmon certainly benefited most.
No argument that the trade made sense. Bruins needed a goalie much more than defenseman. And after one season no one in Boston was mourning the loss of McCrimmon.

Obtaining goaltending help never seemed to work out for Sinden. When he did get a top-notch goalie (Andy Moog) he had to trade the guy (Bill Raford) that would beat the Bruins in the finals to get him.

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