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07-01-2004, 08:31 AM
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Isles send Jason Blake to

Columbus

who sends ____________ to

Buffalo

who sends

Maxim Afinogenov to the Isles


Any ideas?

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Kosmachev

Although I don't see Milbury having much interest in Max.

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Isles send Jason Blake to

Columbus

who sends ____________ to

Buffalo

who sends

Maxim Afinogenov to the Isles


Any ideas?
does this come from blakes comments about wanting to play one day again for the columbus ass. coach? if it does, it means nothing. by the way, afinogenov is no where close to blake in terms of value especially when you consider that blake makes peanuts. blake won't be moved for his comments.

just a general aside: could people stop suggesting afinogenov to the isles? please? he simply does not address a single islander need.

just one man's opinion.

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does this come from blakes comments about wanting to play one day again for the columbus ass. coach? if it does, it means nothing.
If he said one day, it'd be a different story. He said he want to hear he's playing for him when he calls him this week.

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by the way, afinogenov is no where close to blake in terms of value especially when you consider that blake makes peanuts.
Blake is headed for arbitration. When you consider his play over the past two seasons, he could easily get a 2 million dollar award. Not exactly peanuts.

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just a general aside: could people stop suggesting afinogenov to the isles? please? he simply does not address a single islander need.
If you move Blake, Afinogenov provides the same speed and just a bit less edge, at a lower cost, while also being younger.

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No to Kosmachev. I can't see Columbus moving any of its young players, especially their young dmen.

It is a tough match. CBJ really only has draft picks and vets to move. Who knows if they really even want Blake?
Spacek could be had, I suspect if Buffalo wanted him, but I think that is overpayment for Blake, especially since Spacho is the team's best defenseman.

My best idea is moving Sanderson to the Isles (eating some salary) for Blake.

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Depends on Buffalo's objective. If the Sabres are trying to reduce the number of NHL forwards (they have 14), they may accept a defense prospect like Aaron Johnson.

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No to Kosmachev. I can't see Columbus moving any of its young players, especially their young dmen.

It is a tough match. CBJ really only has draft picks and vets to move. Who knows if they really even want Blake?
Spacek could be had, I suspect if Buffalo wanted him, but I think that is overpayment for Blake, especially since Spacho is the team's best defenseman.

My best idea is moving Sanderson to the Isles (eating some salary) for Blake.
What about Ole Kristian Tollefsen? I just want to hear Jenerret say his name.

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Isles send Jason Blake to

Columbus

who sends Future Considerations!!!! to

Buffalo

who sends

Maxim Afinogenov to the Isles

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Isles send Jason Blake to

Columbus

who sends 5 million dollars to

Buffalo

who sends

Everyone to the Isles

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yeah....NYI trade a 110% hard working somewhat overachiever for an underachieving enigma....right.

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NO to the CBJ trading prospects. It won't happen. Kosmachev, Johnson and OK are not going anywhere. Those three and Wharton are the organization's top young guys behind Klesla.

I like Blake, but they're not going to move any of those guys for him.

Isles need a LW -- Sandy is the best the Jackets can offer.

I don't know what Buffalo needs, but they aren't getting any prospects from Columbus.

I don't see a good match for CBJ with NYI or BUF.

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Isles send Jason Blake to

Columbus

who sends Future Considerations!!!! to

Buffalo

who sends

Maxim Afinogenov to the Isles
This one works out the best for me.

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Isles send Jason Blake to

Columbus

who sends ____________ to

Buffalo

who sends

Maxim Afinogenov to the Isles


Any ideas?
Great. Just what the Isles need, another soft inconsistent winger.

I'd rather take a pick or prospect than Afinogenov.

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yeah....NYI trade a 110% hard working somewhat overachiever for an underachieving enigma....right.

My thoughts exactly.

And, btw, how does a comment from Blake that he'd like to one day play for Columbus' current coach translate to "Blake to Columbus."

And, btw, I agree completely with KallioWeHardlyKnewYe. Columbus is an organization that has built smartly with youngsters and they won't sacrifice prospects for a guy like Blake.

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Great. Just what the Isles need, another soft inconsistent winger.

I'd rather take a pick or prospect than Afinogenov.
Maxim isn't soft.He's actually quite feisty...and I'm sure an offensive dynamo team like the Isles can't use a young 20 goal scorer with sick speed.

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how does a comment from Blake that he'd like to one day play for Columbus' current coach translate to "Blake to Columbus."
Like this: "I'm going to go up to see him when he comes back, and he better tell me that I'm playing for him."

Seems more immediate than "one day."

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Afinogenov wouldn't even play in our top six.

He isn't going to beat out Parrish, Hunter, Weinhandl, Blake, or Kvasha. Even with Blake gone, he won't be a regular.

And, he is soft as hell and one-dimensional. He can't play defense. He is inconsistent. And, he isn't even that great a goalscorer.

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He had a grand total of 31 points last year and has scored 21 goals ONCE in his five year career. And, yeah, I know he has injury problems. But, calling him a "20 goal scorer" is still just a projection. He may reach that level, but that remains to be seen.


Keep him.

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Like this: "I'm going to go up to see him when he comes back, and he better tell me that I'm playing for him."

Seems more immediate than "one day."

Blake expressed fondness for an old coach. He didn't say that he wanted to play in Columbus. He didn't say that he wanted a trade. It was a meaningless comment, blown out of proportion, and it has zero implications for deals.

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Great. Just what the Isles need, another soft inconsistent winger.

I'd rather take a pick or prospect than Afinogenov.
Afinogenov isn't soft.

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Afinogenov wouldn't even play in our top six.

He isn't going to beat out Parrish, Hunter, Weinhandl, Blake, or Kvasha. Even with Blake gone, he won't be a regular.

And, he is soft as hell and one-dimensional. He can't play defense. He is inconsistent. And, he isn't even that great a goalscorer.

To be honest, as a Sabres fan, I would plan on keeping him. First off, he isn't soft. Afinogenov doesn't back down, and while he isn't a physical force, he doesn't play afraid. Afinogenov is competent in the defensive zone, though, he won't be on any ballots for the selke. Inconsistent? Yes. He is still growing up. But, you take what Afinogenov gives when he shows up to play, and you do that out of 5 nights, you have one hell of a player. I would give you that he would most definatly play behind Parrish and Hunter on the right side, putting him on a 3rd line spot, exactly where he is with Buffalo. I am very satistified to wait for a breakout year for Afinogenov in a full season he will score 20 goals 40-50 pt range. When you get that from your third line RWer, your doin very well. As a side note,Weinhedl and Kvasha still don't impress me much, and are at par at best with Afinogenov in terms of NHL accomplishments.

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Afinogenov wouldn't even play in our top six.

He isn't going to beat out Parrish, Hunter, Weinhandl, Blake, or Kvasha. Even with Blake gone, he won't be a regular.

And, he is soft as hell and one-dimensional. He can't play defense. He is inconsistent. And, he isn't even that great a goalscorer.

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He had a grand total of 31 points last year and has scored 21 goals ONCE in his five year career. And, yeah, I know he has injury problems. But, calling him a "20 goal scorer" is still just a projection. He may reach that level, but that remains to be seen.


Keep him.

Considering he was on the 3rd line,he scored a lot of goals.And you say Kvasha is better,who is way more inconsistent.Kvasha has 33 more points in 97 more games...offensively Kvasha isn't nearly as good as Afinogenov.You give Maxim top line minutes,he pots 30.

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Afinogenov>Weinhandle
Afinogenov<Parrish
Afinogenov>Kvasha
Afinogenov<Hunter
Afinogenov=Blake

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As a side note,Weinhedl and Kvasha still don't impress me much, and are at par at best with Afinogenov in terms of NHL accomplishments.

Oh really? How many 50 point seasons has Afinogenov had (re: Kvasha)? Weinhandl hasn't even played a full season yet, so that is not a fair comparison. But, I'm willing to bet he outscores Afinogenov by a fair margin next year.

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Considering he was on the 3rd line,he scored a lot of goals.And you say Kvasha is better,who is way more inconsistent.Kvasha has 33 more points in 97 more games...offensively Kvasha isn't nearly as good as Afinogenov.You give Maxim top line minutes,he pots 30.

Kvasha had 51 points last year to Maxim's 34.

Kvasha is a far better player overall as well.

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Afinogenov = Blake, eh? How may 25 goal seasons has Afinogenov had? How many times has he been voted your team's MVP? Is he the guy you sent over the boards in the last minute of a game?

Sorry, dude, you know I think you are an excellent poster but that is a pretty biased perspective.

I don't even think he is close to being Kvasha's equal. Kvasha outscored him by something like 15 goals last year, despite being used primarily in a defensive role.

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