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02-24-2011, 05:16 PM
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Trevor Linden
Eric Lindros
Owen Nolan
Dan Quinn
Denis Savard
Tony Tanti
Rod Brind'Amour
Marian Gaborik
Paul Gardner
Clark Gillies
Petr Klima
Steve Larmer
Evgeni Malkin
Kirk Muller
Rick Nash
Ed Olcyk
Bobby Orr
Steve Payne
Barry Pederson
Brian Propp
Geoff Sanderson
Eric Staal
Mats Sundin
Sylvain Turgeon
Perry Turnbull
Steve Vickers
Tony Amonte
Neal Broten
Rob Brown
Wendel Clark
Bobby Clarke
Paul Coffey
Charlie Conacher
Eric Daze
Bill Derlago
Kevin Dineen
Babe Dye
Pat Elynuik
Bernie Federko
Tom Fergus
Mike Foligno
Jim Fox
Ron Francis
Marian Hossa
Dmitri Khristich
Anze Kopitar
Vyacheslav Kozlov
Tom Lysiak
Daniel Marois
Dale McCourt
Stan Mikita
Wilf Paiement
Zach Parise
Robert Reichel
Bobby Ryan
Bobby Smith
Anton Stastny
Brent Sutter
Joe Thornton
Darren Turcotte
Eric Vail
Pat Verbeek
Alexei Yashin
aaaaaand Phil Kessel
Neat? FFS, the list has Bobby Orr on it. I hope Phil's career is half as successful as 10+ players you have listed there. He doesn't have to score 50 goals at some point in his career for the trade to be 'OK' Let's wait and see what Boston's return does as well.

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02-24-2011, 05:21 PM
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Why does the Kessel trade have to be brought up in every leaf proposal? Let's at least wait and see what Kessel, Seguin, Knight and this years 1st accomplish in their careers before labeling it one of the worst trades of all time?
Although, I agree with giving the players involved time to progress in their respective careers, in my opinion Burke should have been fired for that trade - JFJ sure as hell would have been. The price for Kessel should not have exceeded what the offer sheet demanded. Anything above that, then Boston could have kept him as far as I was concerned. In fairness to Burke, the trade of Kaberle - which involves many of the element that were involved in the failed deal on the 2009 draft floor - has helped ease the pain of the lost picks to a franchise starved of top tier talent.

A few Leaf fans are getting pissed as I now believe Kadri is destined to be the #2 centre for Toronto - that's not meant to be a slight to Kadri, but more because I feel that Colborne's going to get that opportunity with the current Leaf's coaching/managment regime to be the #1 centre. If I'm wrong, great. Either way, it's the most promising centre duo for the club since Gilmour and Sundin in the mid 90s.

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02-24-2011, 05:31 PM
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Although, I agree with giving the players involved time to progress in their respective careers, in my opinion Burke should have been fired for that trade - JFJ sure as hell would have been. The price for Kessel should not have exceeded what the offer sheet demanded. Anything above that, then Boston could have kept him as far as I was concerned. In fairness to Burke, the trade of Kaberle - which involves many of the element that were involved in the failed deal on the 2009 draft floor - has helped ease the pain of the lost picks to a franchise starved of top tier talent.

A few Leaf fans are getting pissed as I now believe Kadri is destined to be the #2 centre for Toronto - that's not meant to be a slight to Kadri, but more because I feel that Colborne's going to get that opportunity with the current Leaf's coaching/managment regime to be the #1 centre. If I'm wrong, great. Either way, it's the most promising centre duo for the club since Gilmour and Sundin in the mid 90s.
It's a tough one for me. The Kessel trade not withstanding, I feel like Burke has done a good job restocking the organization. And I personally can't be too hard on him for the Kessel trade because at the time he made it, I liked it a lot. I thought we were going go give up 2 picks in the 10-15 range at worst, and that Kessel was a budding young star in the league. Unfortunately the picks didn't work out that way, but I still think Kessel can reach that level. However Burke desperately needs to find him a center to play with. Whether it comes from Colborne or Kadri developing into that role, or Burke flexing MLSE's muscle, I don't think we will see the heights Kessel can reach in Toronto until that happens.

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02-25-2011, 11:57 AM
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Trevor Linden
Eric Lindros
Owen Nolan
Dan Quinn
Denis Savard
Tony Tanti
Rod Brind'Amour
Marian Gaborik
Paul Gardner
Clark Gillies
Petr Klima
Steve Larmer
Evgeni Malkin
Kirk Muller
Rick Nash
Ed Olcyk
Bobby Orr
Steve Payne
Barry Pederson
Brian Propp
Geoff Sanderson
Eric Staal
Mats Sundin
Sylvain Turgeon
Perry Turnbull
Steve Vickers
Tony Amonte
Neal Broten
Rob Brown
Wendel Clark
Bobby Clarke
Paul Coffey
Charlie Conacher
Eric Daze
Bill Derlago
Kevin Dineen
Babe Dye
Pat Elynuik
Bernie Federko
Tom Fergus
Mike Foligno
Jim Fox
Ron Francis
Marian Hossa
Dmitri Khristich
Anze Kopitar
Vyacheslav Kozlov
Tom Lysiak
Daniel Marois
Dale McCourt
Stan Mikita
Wilf Paiement
Zach Parise
Robert Reichel
Bobby Ryan
Bobby Smith
Anton Stastny
Brent Sutter
Joe Thornton
Darren Turcotte
Eric Vail
Pat Verbeek
Alexei Yashin
aaaaaand Phil Kessel
Going from the bottom up these players didn't score 30 twice before turning 23. I don't have enough time to go through them all but youve listed pretty awesome players. Anyways I ment to say how many players having cosecutive 30 goals seasons before turning 23 have not scored 50 goals at some point in their careers.


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02-25-2011, 12:07 PM
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Going from the bottom up these players didn't score 30 twice before turning 23. I don't have enough time to go through them all but youve listed pretty awesome players. Anyways I ment to say how many players having cosecutive 30 goals seasons before turning 23 have not scored 50 goals at some point in their careers.
Hmmm, I used hockey-reference.com. Maybe it included players who scored a 30 goal season while they were 23 years old, instead of just before.

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02-25-2011, 12:29 PM
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Although, I agree with giving the players involved time to progress in their respective careers, in my opinion Burke should have been fired for that trade - JFJ sure as hell would have been. The price for Kessel should not have exceeded what the offer sheet demanded. Anything above that, then Boston could have kept him as far as I was concerned. In fairness to Burke, the trade of Kaberle - which involves many of the element that were involved in the failed deal on the 2009 draft floor - has helped ease the pain of the lost picks to a franchise starved of top tier talent.

A few Leaf fans are getting pissed as I now believe Kadri is destined to be the #2 centre for Toronto - that's not meant to be a slight to Kadri, but more because I feel that Colborne's going to get that opportunity with the current Leaf's coaching/managment regime to be the #1 centre. If I'm wrong, great. Either way, it's the most promising centre duo for the club since Gilmour and Sundin in the mid 90s.
Solid post, and I have to agree for the most part.

I'd also like to point out, though, that what we really missed during the Sundin era was a bonafide sniper to flank him on the wing. Outside of Alexander Mogilny, Sundin played many of his best years with sub-par linemates that just couldn't finish (unless you count Tucker getting tip-ins and garbage goals down-low). Now we have that winger: Phil Kessel has one of the better releases in the game and he's a dangerous hockey player when given a modicum of open ice.

Now, though, we don't have that big playmaking center. If Brian Burke can acquire or develop one from within the organization (Kadri, Colborne), we might be able to put together a legitimate scoring threat. Of course, in today's NHL you can't just roll one or two lines, and Burke and Nonis appear to be warming to this reality by picking up a glut of picks and prospects in recent weeks for underachieving or older players.

It's too soon to pull the leash in on Brian Burke. On a draft-centric message board, all anybody cares about is labeling the Kessel trade a blunder. And maybe it was, but it's too soon to make that determination in my opinion. Whether you call it a "rebuild" or a "retool," the face of this franchise has changed and even Burkie acknowledged it's going to require some patience to see results.

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