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02-24-2011, 07:29 AM
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02-24-2011, 07:44 AM
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Maloney and Phoenix are looking to add a top six forward by Monday:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx110223.html

What would Phoenix trade for Andrei Kostitsyn from Montreal?

I propose:

To Phoenix: Andrei Kostitsyn
To Montreal: Brandon Gormley + 2nd round draft pick in 2011


Anyone who deals a recent 1st round pick for either Kostitsyn is a fool. Nice try though.

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02-24-2011, 07:49 AM
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andrei makes 3x more money and has 16 less points than mac this season

he's also lazy while clarke plays with grit

I somehow think you may be a bit unqualified to speak about the work ethic and grittiness of habs players. Do you even watch them play? I'm guessing your a leaf fan so it's probably safe to assume you don't.

AK sits 15th in ice time for the Habs yet he leads the team in hits with 110. He's certainly not lazy. His problem has always been consistency. It's his streakiness that keeps him from getting a permanent top 6 role. He certainly has the skill.

Clarke Macarthur is suffering from what I like to call Dominic Moore syndrome. Someone has to score and get points. While Macarthur is enjoying top line minutes and more PP time, AK is getting 3rd and 4th line time and less PP time.

Anyways, AK doesn't get Gormley all the same as MacArthur doesn't get a 1st. (Let alone a 1st and a conditional 2nd).

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02-24-2011, 07:58 AM
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Zherdev

I'm no Zherdev fan, but at this time of year it makes more sense to grab Zherdev for nothing than it does to pay for a player...

Zherdev has the skills... Could pull a Grabner.

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02-24-2011, 08:14 AM
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Does this work? Think it's even close?

Montreal sends:
Scott Gomez
Andrei Kostitsyn

Phoenix Sends:
Ed Jovonoski
Mikkel Boedker
2nd round pick (Returned if Montreal signs Jovo)

After next season Gomez's real salary will be lower than the cap hit. I'm not sure of the up to date situation in Phoenix, but that's a benefit if they have a team imposed salary cap.

Montreal gets a veteran presence for the blue line that should be back in time for playoffs and a monopoly on Danes.

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02-24-2011, 08:20 AM
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Does this work? Think it's even close?

Montreal sends:
Scott Gomez
Andrei Kostitsyn

Phoenix Sends:
Ed Jovonoski
Mikkel Boedker
2nd round pick (Returned if Montreal signs Jovo)

After next season Gomez's real salary will be lower than the cap hit. I'm not sure of the up to date situation in Phoenix, but that's a benefit if they have a team imposed salary cap.

Montreal gets a veteran presence for the blue line that should be back in time for playoffs and a monopoly on Danes.
That almost makes me physically ill.

And for everyone who keeps talking about Gomez' salary being lower after next year two points. First the bankrupt Coyotes would still need to pay him $7.5 million real dollars next year while finding a way to pay Bryzgalov, Yandle and several other players. Think about that. Next, even with his salary reducing after next year what about his play over the past couple of years leads you to believe he still wouldn't be overpaid?

Oh, Boedker is worth more than Kostitsyn all on his own.

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02-24-2011, 08:27 AM
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That almost makes me physically ill.

And for everyone who keeps talking about Gomez' salary being lower after next year two points. First the bankrupt Coyotes would still need to pay him $7.5 million real dollars next year while finding a way to pay Bryzgalov, Yandle and several other players. Think about that. Next, even with his salary reducing after next year what about his play over the past couple of years leads you to believe he still wouldn't be overpaid?

Oh, Boedker is worth more than Kostitsyn all on his own.
Well that's kind of why the trade wasn't just Boedker for Kostitsyn. As for Gomez's salary, if Phoenix can't take it on they can't take it on. Maybe it doesn't work valuewise although I don't think that trade is so far off that it would induce illness.

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Well that's kind of why the trade wasn't just Boedker for Kostitsyn. As for Gomez's salary, if Phoenix can't take it on they can't take it on. Maybe it doesn't work valuewise although I don't think that trade is so far off that it would induce illness.
Gomez anywhere near my team's limited payroll budget is illness inducing, trust me.

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02-24-2011, 08:32 AM
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Maloney and Phoenix are looking to add a top six forward by Monday:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx110223.html

What would Phoenix trade for Andrei Kostitsyn from Montreal?

I propose:

To Phoenix: Andrei Kostitsyn
To Montreal: Brandon Gormley + 2nd round draft pick in 2011
LOL @ thinking AK can fetch you a prospect AND a second rounder.

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02-24-2011, 08:35 AM
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Gomez anywhere near my team's limited payroll budget is illness inducing, trust me.
lol fair enough. His cap hit causes me Illness. I will give him credit though, he can gain the blue line like nobodies business. I have never seen a player who looks better in the neutral zone or without the puck in my life.

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02-24-2011, 08:38 AM
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clarke macarthur for a 1st + conditional 2nd if he re-signs

he's an RFA at the end of the season
we'll keep Macarthur thanks.

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02-24-2011, 08:44 AM
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we'll keep Macarthur thanks.
I don't think I'd quite put Macarthur that untouchable. If you get any offer that is consistent with what top 6 players get at the deadline than you guys had better take it and rub. Macarthur is a 3rd line player making the most of being on a below average team. He is more than replaceable. He's putting up decent numbers so I wouldn't just trade him to trade him. But like I said above, you get top 6 type return than Burke would be crazy to keep him.

1st and a 2nd? You guys take that and run.

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02-24-2011, 08:51 AM
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we'll keep Macarthur thanks.


macarthur will move for the right price. with teams hurting for depth, a cheap cap hit like macarthur will be worth it to some cup contenders

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How about this: We don't trade a top six forward in Kostitsyn for a prospect in a year we are making the playoffs?

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02-24-2011, 08:58 AM
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Coyotes are broke. New owner won't fully be in place until after the deadline. These trades for over priced, under performing players are just ignorant. Jovanovski is out for the next twenty games. Phoenix needs a D, and we need a cheap D. Radek Martinek would be a good candidate. Maybe Mike Weaver.

As for forwards, despite his many bright spots this season, Kyle Turris is still just plain physically over matched far too frequently. This will certainly occur on an even more regular basis in the playoffs. He coach rarely trusts him with more than ten minutes of ice time, any how, so if we're looking for someone to eat those kinds of minutes we can look to a Mart Reasoner type. Someone cheap that won't have to come in and be a first line player.

To NYI:
Sami Lepisto(decent younger D)
PHX 4th

To PHX:
Radek Martinek

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To FLA:
David Schlemko(salary dump)
PHI 2nd

To PHX;
Marty Reasoner

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02-24-2011, 09:01 AM
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How about this: We don't trade a top six forward in Kostitsyn for a prospect in a year we are making the playoffs?
While I think Kostistsyn has the skill set to be a top six forward, he hasn't been one for us since about mid November early December. I don't think he's doing us a lot of good playing 3rd/4th line. At this point, if this is how Martin is going to use him, I'd gladly trade him for a prospect.

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No way on earth Phoenix is gonna give that d-man up IMO.

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Maloney and Phoenix are looking to add a top six forward by Monday:

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx110223.html

What would Phoenix trade for Andrei Kostitsyn from Montreal?

I propose:

To Phoenix: Andrei Kostitsyn
To Montreal: Brandon Gormley + 2nd round draft pick in 2011
Not a credible source:
"http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/phx110223.html"
'nuff said

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02-24-2011, 09:26 AM
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No way on earth Phoenix is gonna give that d-man up IMO.
If what you're saying is that with Jovo out for the regular season and Aucoin out for who knows how long that the Coyotes shouldn't give up two d-men while only getting one back, I agree with you.

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No way on earth Phoenix is gonna give that d-man up IMO.
I think there's no conceivable way we do it for a rental, that's for sure. In the west, a 3 game losing streak can mean you're out of the playoffs. For all we know, 98 points is going to be required, things are so crazy. I think that distorts the trade market a bit. There are some good teams that are playing well that aren't going to make the playoffs in the west. Addition of one modest talent isn't going to change that for anyone, unlike years past where teams by this point of the year know pretty much exactly where they stand barring collapse. You add a top 6 winger who helps you to 95 points and then you still sit out the playoffs is not a crazy scenario right now.

Anyway, long winded post, but I don't see Phoenix moving a significant asset for just a rental. A player who is cost controlled next year, perhaps.

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I'm no Zherdev fan, but at this time of year it makes more sense to grab Zherdev for nothing than it does to pay for a player...

Zherdev has the skills... Could pull a Grabner.
How many times has this been said? Zherdev's close to being done in the NHL.

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Don maloney on NHL Live yesterday said he is not looking to do anything of impact bc he likes the chemistry the team has built, he said he's looking to add depth however

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how about penner or hemsky maybe for turis +

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