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03-02-2011, 09:27 AM
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giroux isnt lindros..... he doesnt skate around the ice with his head down thinking he is just gonna plow through people
Lindros was 6'4", Giroux is 5'11". Giroux crosses the blueline trying to deke three guys at once, it is only a matter of time before someone lines him up, book that.

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03-02-2011, 09:34 AM
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I don't think it's impossible. But I think it's unlikely.

Let's say you throw Philly into the game, since Chicago was thoroughly gutted in the offseason.. Richards, Pronger, Bob, Timonen, Zherdev, Nodl all have experience on international ice. I don't know what size the World Juniors uses, but if it's international then you can add at least Giroux and Carter. If it's also a series, then the rest of the team will learn and adapt. Plus, the skill level is higher. That alone will greatly help them adapt.

Imagine what Giroux alone could do with more open ice to work with.
Don't forget JVR, who played his college days on "Lake" Whittemore, Olympic sized rink. NHL players aren't going to be as tight on a bigger rink, but they're not going to be lost, either.

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Seriously, he's here because of what you said, but also because there were no other deadline deals available that could have brought someone better at an affordable price.
Yeah news flash, we got Versteeg, and he's better than Zherdev. He's still here because we literally couldn't give him away. We can send him down anytime over the next couple weeks since he cleared waivers.

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Lindros was 6'4", Giroux is 5'11". Giroux crosses the blueline trying to deke three guys at once, it is only a matter of time before someone lines him up, book that.
Watch hockey better. Giroux actively avoids hits, and does a pretty darn good job of it. Unlike some players who put the puck around the D and then try to go get it (and get destroyed in the process), he goes around the D and the puck follows him.

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03-02-2011, 09:45 AM
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Lindros was 6'4", Giroux is 5'11". Giroux crosses the blueline trying to deke three guys at once, it is only a matter of time before someone lines him up, book that.
briere and giroux play a similar puck possesion style when they cross the blueline, usually making a deke to get around a player..... briere never gets hit, and I have never seen giroux get hit in open ice badly, they have learned to keep their head up through years of playing hockey being small undersized players... if stevens played the game in todays NHL giroux would make him look like a pylon

What does their height have to do with anything, if you skate with your head down cutting across the middle at the blueline your going to get layed out, giroux is always aware and is incredibly shifty, alot of the time guys can barely get a bump on him let alone hit him

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03-02-2011, 10:18 AM
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briere and giroux play a similar puck possesion style when they cross the blueline, usually making a deke to get around a player..... briere never gets hit, and I have never seen giroux get hit in open ice badly, they have learned to keep their head up through years of playing hockey being small undersized players... if stevens played the game in todays NHL giroux would make him look like a pylon

What does their height have to do with anything, if you skate with your head down cutting across the middle at the blueline your going to get layed out, giroux is always aware and is incredibly shifty, alot of the time guys can barely get a bump on him let alone hit him
Giroux has been putting himself in a vulnerable possession as of late, Leino does the same thing at times. Just because it seems like he is "skating with his head up" does not mean he can see the blindside hits coming.

Just pointing out that he does skate through the middle of the ice and over the blueline at times overdoing it. Just keep it simple and use his skating speed to get the puck deep and force the defense to obstruct him from getting the puck.

Height has a lot to do with it when you are 5'11" and the defenders can be 6'2" where a shoulder is going to be level to the shorter players chin. Does not matter how "shifty" a player is, all it takes is a good defender to line him up and he is done, like toast.

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03-02-2011, 10:33 AM
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Giroux has been putting himself in a vulnerable possession as of late, Leino does the same thing at times. Just because it seems like he is "skating with his head up" does not mean he can see the blindside hits coming.

Just pointing out that he does skate through the middle of the ice and over the blueline at times overdoing it. Just keep it simple and use his skating speed to get the puck deep and force the defense to obstruct him from getting the puck.

Height has a lot to do with it when you are 5'11" and the defenders can be 6'2" where a shoulder is going to be level to the shorter players chin. Does not matter how "shifty" a player is, all it takes is a good defender to line him up and he is done, like toast.
has he not been doing this since he entered the league....of course it matters how shifty you are, if defenseman cant get a player lined up because he is agile and can dart in different directions quickly it is hard to hit him. You rarely see guys like leino, briere, giroux get hit because of this

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03-02-2011, 10:38 AM
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Cartsie, in case you missed it the NHL has made blindside hits illegal

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03-02-2011, 10:45 AM
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Lindros was 6'4", Giroux is 5'11". Giroux crosses the blueline trying to deke three guys at once, it is only a matter of time before someone lines him up, book that.
Lindros got into his bad habit of not watching out for himself because when he was learning how to play hockey, he didn't have to. He was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else all the way through juniors that he didn't need to keep his head up to stay safe.

His career-turning injury against Pittsburgh (the hit delivered by Kasparaitis) is a perfect example of this. Lindros didn't wildly deke his way into the zone, he was searching for a bouncing puck at the blueline and got nailed by a predatory body-check.

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Lindros got into his bad habit of not watching out for himself because when he was learning how to play hockey, he didn't have to. He was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else all the way through juniors that he didn't need to keep his head up to stay safe.

His career-turning injury against Pittsburgh (the hit delivered by Kasparaitis) is a perfect example of this. Lindros didn't wildly deke his way into the zone, he was searching for a bouncing puck at the blueline and got nailed by a predatory body-check.
exactly, or he came across the blueline on an angle starring down at the puck on his stick, his size was the reason he developed no fear of skating with his head down.... this ultimately lead to his demise


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Lindros got into his bad habit of not watching out for himself because when he was learning how to play hockey, he didn't have to. He was so much bigger and stronger than anyone else all the way through juniors that he didn't need to keep his head up to stay safe.

His career-turning injury against Pittsburgh (the hit delivered by Kasparaitis) is a perfect example of this. Lindros didn't wildly deke his way into the zone, he was searching for a bouncing puck at the blueline and got nailed by a predatory body-check.



This is so true. Lindros has carried the puck not only through but over guys. Giroux has been nifty and avoiding big hits since peewee hockey. He had to, his size dictated it.

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there really isnt even a reason to debate this, its not like giroux has gotten laid out and we should be worried, he hasnt even came close to being hit....i am all for his craftyness, just too quick for d-men, he has already made his move before they even think about hitting him

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Nik Zherdev, Darroll Powe and Sergei Bobrovsky are the first players on ice for today's Flyers practice.
Also Carcillo is apparently not practicing today because of illness, which could clear Zherdev's way into the lineup again Thursday night.

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Also Carcillo is apparently not practicing today because of illness, which could clear Zherdev's way into the lineup again Thursday night.
I imagine zherdev will be in the lineup thursday.... gonna be nice to see JVR and zherdev in the lineup at the same time since versteeg came over

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there really isnt even a reason to debate this, its not like giroux has gotten laid out and we should be worried, he hasnt even came close to being hit....i am all for his craftyness, just too quick for d-men, he has already made his move before they even think about hitting him
Perry got suspended for the elbow on Giroux cutting through the middle. Illegal? Sure, but it did happen.

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I imagine zherdev will be in the lineup thursday.... gonna be nice to see JVR and zherdev in the lineup at the same time since versteeg came over

If Betts still can't go, I would guess:

van Reimsdyk-Carter-Giroux
Hartnell-Briere-Lenio
Zherdev-Richards-Versteeg
Nodl-Powe-Shelley


Now, if he can, there's a chance Shelley or Zherdev get scratched. Supposing Zherdev has bought himself enough good will:

van Reimsdyk-Carter-Giroux
Hartnell-Briere-Lenio
Zherdev-Richards-Versteeg
Nodl-Betts-Powe


No one in that group who can really "answer the bell," but Laviolette has said in the past that's something he isn't concerned about. And yet Carcillo and/or Shelley have been dressed nearly every night.

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van Reimsdyk-Carter-Giroux
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Zherdev-Richards-Versteeg
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This is a great lineup

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Cartsie, in case you missed it the NHL has made blindside hits illegal
Just because they are illegal is not going to stop desperate teams, players, for pushing the line of legal/illegal. You can still come blindside and hit a player square, especially when Giroux makes his dipsy-doo down the middle through -3-4 defenders collapsing.

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there really isnt even a reason to debate this, its not like giroux has gotten laid out and we should be worried, he hasnt even came close to being hit....i am all for his craftyness, just too quick for d-men, he has already made his move before they even think about hitting him
OK, sure, just watch his play on the rush, especially on the PP. He puts himself in a position where there is a point where a vulnerable hit can be given. Being crafty has zero to do with this, taking unnecessary chances does. Just get the puck deep.

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This is a great lineup
On paper.

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On paper.
Yeah so try it out for a few games and see where it goes. If Zherdev ****s off again, Nodl comes up and Carcillo comes back in

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This is a great lineup
Ideally, that's the lineup for the playoffs...assuming Zherdev keeps his **** together.

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Yeah news flash, we got Versteeg, and he's better than Zherdev. He's still here because we literally couldn't give him away. We can send him down anytime over the next couple weeks since he cleared waivers.
Really, wow. Perhaps in future you should just not bother responding to posts you don't understand. It will save you a lot of embarrassment.

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Ideally, that's the lineup for the playoffs...assuming Zherdev keeps his **** together.
i'm still not sold on zherdev being on richie's wing. especially come playoffs, richie and his linemates are gonna be relied on for defense probably a bit more than scoring. zherdev diminishes this. why not try putting zherdev on carter & giroux's line and moving JVR to richie's left? i really like the idea of moving nodl to the fourth line with betts and powe. that's an amazing shut-down line.

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On paper.
what would your lineup look like?

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what would your lineup look like?
Cartsiephan's lineup:

JVR-Giroux-Nodl
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