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03-03-2011, 10:34 AM
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He was definately one of the more responsible wingers around. He defensive style reminds me a lot of Brad Richards.
Looking at his stats it looks like some seasons he was on the penalty kill a fair bit and other seasons hardly at all.

Its a bit strange because it isn't like he became a penalty killer and then stayed that way.

He barely did any in Toronto, did in Edmonton, didn't at first in Montreal.. then did.. and then seemed to level out at a lower amount the rest of his career. This just based on quickly glancing at his PPGA numbers on hockey-reference.

It doesn't look like he was the first option often by any means. He did have good hockey sense though so I can see him being a pretty good option for a second unit I guess.

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03-03-2011, 10:35 AM
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The Damphousse trade was a stupid move.
He should have retired here.

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03-03-2011, 10:40 AM
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People with picks close to each other near the end/beginning of the round REALLY need to leave a list after making their first selection.

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03-03-2011, 10:50 AM
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I realise there's nothing harder than to compare defensive defensemen that you don't really know.

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03-03-2011, 10:54 AM
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Just as a side note, from now on, guys that have picks within 4-5 spots and don't leave a list for the second pick are getting that pick auto skipped. Have a good day.

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03-03-2011, 10:55 AM
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214 PPGA, 1274 TGA.

I wouldn't call that "a lot", but he most likely served on a 2nd PK unit.
the last couple days you've been using PPGA as a measure of defensive ability. It helps to show that a guy killed lots of penalties, but that is only part of it, and it says nothing about their even strength defensive ability.

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Turgeon is such a strange player , lots of talent , drafted very high , actually produced in the NHL , but for some reasons you just didn't want him to be your go-to-guy.You just didn't trust him as much as you did with the majority of the other guys.

Turgeon was a quebecois in Montreal , center producing higher than a PPG , but yet , he was never a star here , which is saying a lot.
It's the "tin man" reputation that he never shook despite slowly developing a higher compete level throughout his career.

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Nobody liked my story about that old-time player getting run over by a horse and buggy while crossing the street?

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Just as a side note, from now on, guys that have picks within 4-5 spots and don't leave a list for the second pick are getting that pick auto skipped. Have a good day.
You wish buddy! But yea, in principle people near that range (including myself) should at least make the effort to send a 1-2 player list.

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the last couple days you've been using PPGA as a measure of defensive ability. It helps to show that a guy killed lots of penalties, but that is only part of it, and it says nothing about their even strength defensive ability.
I haven't been using it as a measure of defensive ability at all. Dreak said that Damphousse PK'd a lot, so I went and checked his PPGA just to confirm that.

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He was definately one of the more responsible wingers around. He defensive style reminds me a lot of Brad Richards.
Have I not watched enough of Brad Richards in Dallas?

Because in Tampa Bay, he was brutal defensively as soon as St. Louis was taken off his line.

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Nobody liked my story about that old-time player getting run over by a horse and buggy while crossing the street?
Happens all the time. They're called car accidents.

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03-03-2011, 10:57 AM
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Nobody liked my story about that old-time player getting run over by a horse and buggy while crossing the street?
I'm actually very interested, but I thought you would wait for that player being selected before revealing the story.

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03-03-2011, 10:58 AM
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Have I not watched enough of Brad Richards in Dallas?

Because in Tampa Bay, he was brutal defensively as soon as St. Louis was taken off his line.
strange , I always thought Richards was a good two-way player , but maybe I was always wrong on that one.

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03-03-2011, 10:59 AM
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Nobody liked my story about that old-time player getting run over by a horse and buggy while crossing the street?
How about you add the story to the dishing the dirt thread? Feel free to name the player, as I don't think "getting run over by a horse and buggy" is going to make anyone more or less likely to draft him.

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How about you add the story to the dishing the dirt thread? Feel free to name the player, as I don't think "getting run over by a horse and buggy" is going to make anyone more or less likely to draft him.
You could use it to qualify toughness.

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03-03-2011, 11:01 AM
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Have I not watched enough of Brad Richards in Dallas?

Because in Tampa Bay, he was brutal defensively as soon as St. Louis was taken off his line.
I've watched Dallas quite a few times the last few years, and Richards seems to be pretty reliable. Nothing overbearing, but he's always in good position.

Richards isn't as good defensively as Damphousse, but their styles are similar.

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03-03-2011, 11:05 AM
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strange , I always thought Richards was a good two-way player , but maybe I was always wrong on that one.
Everyone thought he was a decent two-way player when Tampa Bay won the Cup in 2004 and that the other guy needed work on his defensive game. Then St. Louis got taken off Brad Richards' line after the lockout and put with the other guy. Suddenly, the other guy became a "complete player" and Richards started putting up ugly plus/minus numbers (and they were quite well deserved minuses, I must add).

Like I said though, I haven't followed him all that closely in Dallas.

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03-03-2011, 11:10 AM
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Everyone thought he was a decent two-way player when Tampa Bay won the Cup in 2004 and that the other guy needed work on his defensive game. Then St. Louis got taken off Brad Richards' line after the lockout and put with the other guy. Suddenly, the other guy became a "complete player" and Richards started putting up ugly plus/minus numbers (and they were quite well deserved minuses, I must add).

Like I said though, I haven't followed him all that closely in Dallas.
This sounds exactly like me trying to wrap my mind around Damphousse being decent defensively and killing a fair amount of penalties.

I did see him a lot more in Toronto when he wasn't any good defensively, though.

It looks like he improved a fair bit later on when I saw him less..

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I've watched Dallas quite a few times the last few years, and Richards seems to be pretty reliable. Nothing overbearing, but he's always in good position.

Richards isn't as good defensively as Damphousse, but their styles are similar.
Okay. In Tampa Bay, Richards had a coach who pushed his stars hard, and had them play a ridiculous amount of minutes. So maybe it was just a fatigue thing - maybe Richards couldn't handle the absurdly high minutes that he and the other Tampa stars were playing without St. Louis on his line to help out.

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03-03-2011, 11:11 AM
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Everyone thought he was a decent two-way player when Tampa Bay won the Cup in 2004 and that the other guy needed work on his defensive game. Then St. Louis got taken off Brad Richards' line after the lockout and put with the other guy. Suddenly, the other guy became a "complete player" and Richards started putting up ugly plus/minus numbers (and they were quite well deserved minuses, I must add).

Like I said though, I haven't followed him all that closely in Dallas.
hmm I wonder who were his winger though , he was left alone if I remember correctly which could explain a lot of things.

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03-03-2011, 11:12 AM
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I have always thought, and still think, that St. Louis is better than his center. The above definitely agrees with that mindset.

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I have always thought, and still think, that St. Louis is better than his center. The above definitely agrees with that mindset.
St. Louis really is just a fabulous player.

He has my stamp of approval - except when he was whining about a shootout spinorama this year and was mum when ****** did it hahaha.. pick a team.


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The Detroit Riots select Adam Graves, LW.

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03-03-2011, 11:33 AM
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I wondered why everybody is mentioning an undrafted, yet Brad Richards is actually already picked. Insanity.

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with our eleventh selection, the 404th overall in this year All-Time Draft, the Detroit Falcons are extremely please to select forward Donald Michel Marcotte



Nickname: Don
Height: 5'11''
Weight: 183 lbs
Position: Left Wing, Right Wing, Centre
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Date of Birth: April 15, 1947
Place of Birth: Arthabaska , Quebec, Canada

Stanley Cup Champion (1970, 1972)

Retro Selke (1976)
2nd and 3rd position in Selke voting to Bob Gainey in the late 1970's.



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