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02-26-2011, 01:23 PM
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if we still are speaking about '54 Hart, why shouldn't somebody say that there were more deserving players to win it more than Henrik in 2010.
BUt my point is that we don't necessarily hold it against Sedin either which I felt he was. Sure there are better players in the league. When Hull won his Hart I think it's safe to say there were certainly better players in the league. But no one holds that against Hull. We can argue about it all we want but the people who watched him that year decided that in their opinion Henrik was the best player. I don't think they get bored and vote for someone else just to vote for someone else. Especially whenever Crosby only has 1 Hart already. If he deserved it, then he would have won it (by the way, this is coming from a diehard Pens fan).

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How do we know that a certain guy playing on his line isn't being way elevated and having his best season due to Henrik?
Get back to me when that certain guy scores 80 goals or has 50 goals in 50 games while playing on a bum leg. Every excellent playmaker like Sedin will elevate lesser linemates. However, Oates' ability to elevate his linemates is legendary.

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Get back to me when that certain guy scores 80 goals or has 50 goals in 50 games. Every excellent playmaker like Sedin will elevate lesser linemates. However, Oates' ability to elevate his linemates is legendary.
I mean the guy he's elevating is on pace to win the Art Ross. Is that not good enough?

And like I said, I would never, ever compare Sedin to Oates. Oates is just on another level so I don't know why I'm even making that argument that I just did.

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At this point, it's pretty obvious we can't talk about Henrik without blatantly hinting at undrafteds, so we should probably restrain ourselves for the time being.

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At this point, it's pretty obvious we can't talk about Henrik without blatantly hinting at undrafteds, so we should probably restrain ourselves for the time being.
Yeah its extremely difficult in this scenario.

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The Vancouver Velocity select, Captain Canuck, Trevor Linden

Trevor John Linden, C.M., O.B.C. (born April 11, 1970) is a retired Canadian professional ice hockey player. He played centre and right wing with four different teams: the Vancouver Canucks (in two stints), New York Islanders, Montreal Canadiens, and Washington Capitals. Before joining the NHL in 1988, Linden helped the Medicine Hat Tigers of the Western Hockey League (WHL) win consecutive Memorial Cup championships.[1] In addition to appearing in two NHL All-Star Games, Linden was a member of the 1998 Canadian Olympic team and participated in the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. Throughout his career, Linden has been recognized as a respected leader on and off the ice.[2][3] He was named captain of the Canucks at the age of 21, making him one of the youngest captains in league history. While captaining the Canucks, Linden led the team to within a game of winning the Stanley Cup in 1994. It was during this time that he began to be called Captain Canuck. In 1998 he was elected President of the National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA), a position he held for eight years.[4] As President, he played an instrumental role in the 2004–05 NHL lockout, including negotiations with league owners.[5] Off the ice, Linden has taken an active role in charities, and was awarded the King Clancy Memorial Trophy for leadership on the ice and humanitarian contributions off the ice in 1997,[6] as well as the NHL Foundation Player Award in 2008. After 19 seasons in the NHL, Linden retired on June 11, 2008, twenty years to the day after he was drafted into the NHL.[7] Linden's jersey number 16 was retired by the Canucks on December 17, 2008, the second number retired by the team.


Linden's long tenure with the Canucks (Linden holds the franchise record for games played at 1140), deep attachment to the city of Vancouver and history of charitable community service and involvement have made him one of the most beloved and respected players among fans in franchise history.[57] His 2001 return to the Canucks was an emotional event for fans and player alike, with Linden admitting that he was too excited to sleep the night before his first game back.[1] He is still often referred to affectionately as 'Captain Canuck', despite not having captained the team since 1997.[58] On April 5, 2008, the Canucks' final game of the 2007–08 season, the Vancouver crowd gave Linden a standing ovation before the start of the third period. Once the game ended, the crowd again rose to their feet in recognition of Linden.[59]


In addition to hockey, Linden has also undertaken a considerable amount of charitable work. Working primarily with children, he has made frequent appearances at the BC Children's Hospital and Canuck Place, a hospice for terminally ill children.[60] In 1995, he inaugurated the Trevor Linden Foundation to raise money for local charities and also hosts an annual golfing event as a fundraiser for BC Children's Hospital.[61] When he was awarded the Order of British Columbia in 2003, the citation referred to him as a "hockey player and humanitarian".[57] Linden has cited his brother, Dean, as being the inspiration for undertaking his charitable work, telling him to use his power as a hockey player.[48]
A testament to his efforts off the ice in Vancouver, Linden has been a recipient of the King Clancy Memorial Trophy (1997) and the NHL Foundation Player Award (2008), honours awarded by the NHL to players for significant contributions in his community.
Linden took part in the 2010 Winter Olympics torch relay when the flame was in Vancouver before the opening ceremony.[62]
On December 30, 2010, it was announced that Linden was to be invested as a Member of the Order of Canada. He was cited "[f]or his ongoing sportsmanship and community engagement as a respected leader both on and off the ice."[63]




Regular season Playoffs
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1985–86 Medicine Hat Tigers AMHL 40 14 22 36 14 — — — — —
1985–86 Medicine Hat Tigers WHL 5 2 0 2 0 6 1 0 1 0
1986–87 Medicine Hat Tigers WHL 72 14 22 36 59 20 5 4 9 17
1987–88 Medicine Hat Tigers WHL 67 46 64 110 76 16 13 12 25 19
1988–89 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 30 29 59 41 7 3 4 7 8
1989–90 Vancouver Canucks NHL 73 21 30 51 43 — — — — —
1990–91 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 33 37 70 65 6 0 7 7 2
1991–92 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 31 44 75 101 13 4 8 12 6
1992–93 Vancouver Canucks NHL 84 33 39 72 64 12 5 8 13 16
1993–94 Vancouver Canucks NHL 84 32 29 61 73 24 12 13 25 18
1994–95 Vancouver Canucks NHL 48 18 22 40 40 11 2 6 8 12
1995–96 Vancouver Canucks NHL 82 33 47 80 42 6 4 4 8 6
1996–97 Vancouver Canucks NHL 49 9 31 40 27 — — — — —
1997–98 Vancouver Canucks NHL 42 7 14 21 49 — — — — —
1997–98 New York Islanders NHL 25 10 7 17 33 — — — — —
1998–99 New York Islanders NHL 82 18 29 47 32 — — — — —
1999–00 Montreal Canadiens NHL 50 13 17 30 34 — — — — —
2000–01 Montreal Canadiens NHL 57 12 21 33 52 — — — — —
2000–01 Washington Capitals NHL 12 3 1 4 8 6 0 4 4 14
2001–02 Washington Capitals NHL 16 1 2 3 6 — — — — —
2001–02 Vancouver Canucks NHL 64 12 22 34 65 6 1 4 5 0
2002–03 Vancouver Canucks NHL 71 19 22 41 30 14 1 2 3 10
2003–04 Vancouver Canucks NHL 82 14 22 36 26 7 0 0 0 6
2005–06 Vancouver Canucks NHL 82 7 9 16 15 — — — — —
2006–07 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 12 13 25 34 12 2 5 7 6
2007–08 Vancouver Canucks NHL 59 7 5 12 15 — — — — —
NHL totals 1382 375 492 867 895 124 34 65 99 104
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02-26-2011, 01:45 PM
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Henrik has one fantastic season and 5 decent seasons, little playoff success and limited success in international tournaments (one great world championships back in 2000 and three goals in the 2006 Olympic gold tourney).

He belongs in this draft only toward the end of the Top-1000. I guess I'm saying he's better as an extra skater than a starter, if he cannot fulfill a Bottom-6 role. He doesn't bring much in terms of intangibles: hitting, defense, energy, etc.

So, at 339th overall, he is a reach. He will be a marginal Top-6 starter in this draft.

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Henrik has one fantastic season and 5 decent seasons, little playoff success and limited success in international tournaments (one great world championships back in 2000 and three goals in the 2006 Olympic gold tourney).

He belongs in this draft only toward the end of the Top-1000. I guess I'm saying he's better as an extra skater than a starter, if he cannot fulfill a Bottom-6 role. He doesn't bring much in terms of intangibles: hitting, defense, energy, etc.

So, at 339th overall, he is a reach. He will be a marginal Top-6 starter in this draft.
Are we just supposed to ignore another 100 point season this season too because he's on pace for it? Two 100 point seasons in a row is absurdly impressive in this era.

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Linden is a solid Bottom-6 starter but isn't the 9th round a bit early for him? I had him pegged as a decent round 14-16 pick. His scoring is only worthwhile in a secondary role and he isn't a Top-6 glue guy, more of a Bottom-6 intangibles, two-way depth player against the world's best.

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Agree with TDMM, some conversations are better saved until later.

Going back to the St Louis discussion, I don't like that he had a 60 point season with a ton of ice time in the middle of his prime. That year should get as much weight as his Hart trophy season.

I don't know if he should go top 200. I do think he is the same type of player and played at the same time as Daniel Alfredsson, and I think Alfredsson was better, if only slightly. Should he go top 200 also? Should Marian Hossa? Dany Heatley?

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Are we just supposed to ignore another 100 point season this season too because he's on pace for it?
Yes, we are.

He has 74 points in 62 games in 2010-11 and that's good, not otherworldly.

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Agree with TDMM, some conversations are better saved until later.

Going back to the St Louis discussion, I don't like that he had a 60 point season with a ton of ice time in the middle of his prime. That year should get as much weight as his Hart trophy season.

I don't know if he should go top 200. I do think he is the same type of player and played at the same time as Daniel Alfredsson, and I think Alfredsson was better, if only slightly. Should he go top 200 also? Should Marian Hossa? Dany Heatley?
I'm not making a statement saying I think he was a steal, I think right around here is the right spot personally. But there is no way he's not a top 6 player inthis thing I don't think. He's definitely within the top 80 centers.

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Are we just supposed to ignore another 100 point season this season too because he's on pace for it? Two 100 point seasons in a row is absurdly impressive in this era.
We never really had a ruling on this, but for active player, I always assume that they just drop dead at this very moment. In that case, Sedin is helping is cause one game at a time and might have his 100 point season before the regular season gets under way.

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I'm not making a statement saying I think he was a steal, I think right around here is the right spot personally. But there is no way he's not a top 6 player inthis thing I don't think. He's definitely within the top 80 centers.
I don't think Overpass was talking about Henrik

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Agree with TDMM, some conversations are better saved until later.

Going back to the St Louis discussion, I don't like that he had a 60 point season with a ton of ice time in the middle of his prime. That year should get as much weight as his Hart trophy season.

I don't know if he should go top 200. I do think he is the same type of player and played at the same time as Daniel Alfredsson, and I think Alfredsson was better, if only slightly. Should he go top 200 also? Should Marian Hossa? Dany Heatley?
Almost everyone has off-years. Nowhere near everyone has hart-trophy seasons. We don't tend to gang up on players for bad offensive years; we just assume don't really count them to their all-time resume. The year in question also comes after the unique lockout year; St. Louis could have just had trouble adjusting after a year away, which seems rather understandable and something we have to approach on a different sort of basis.

Alfredsson's got longevity and more consistency, perhaps, but that's about all. With this year, it's looking like St. Louis will have 2 FAST's and 2 SAST's vs 1 SAST for Alfie. St. Louis also has the hart and art ross trophy, and a far, far better peak performance. Same thing goes for Hossa, and Heatley to a lesser extent (and I think Heatley is kind of behind in intangibles).

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We never really had a ruling on this, but for active player, I always assume that they just drop dead at this very moment. In that case, Sedin is helping is cause one game at a time and might have his 100 point season before the regular season gets under way.



I don't think Overpass was talking about Henrik
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Irrelevant, projection.


Perhaps, even with him being the Lord of Secondary Assists.


Overall in his career, his intangibles can barely be summed up as zero positive/negative value at best. For the larger part of his career, they've been negative.

Frankly, very little separates Sedin and a certain MLD center.
trollololololol. I wouldn't have taken Hank here, but that secondary assists garbage argument? That's all you got?

Also, he's no Stevie Y, but being named a captain and having that team set to win their conference with 20 games to go doesn't summarize a player with "negative intangibles", no matter how you spin it.

And, to throw out your Canucks bias argument which will surely follow, no, I wouldn't take him for anything more than the central player on a third scoring line, even in this thing with 40 teams. He has to do something in the playoffs before that happens.

Edit: what the hell haha? I clicked "Sumbit Post" almost an hour ago when this conversation was more relevant, and came back to see this hadn't been submitted yet. Ah well.


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A reach, given some other coaches left, but.. DAMN YOU!!!


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The Philadelphia Firebirds are happy to select RW Ken Hodge



6x Top 7 All Star Voting Among RW (1, 1, 3, 6, 7, 7)
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4x Top 16 Goals in NHL (4, 4, 4, 16)
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Hodge played on the Bruins' number one line with Esposito and Wayne Cashman and his confidence exploded. He started to use his strength to hold onto the puck and create scoring chances instead of fighting, and he became one of the best scorers in the league because of his excellent shot. In 1968-69, he scored 45 times, one of the best seasons in league history.

Hodge helped the team win the Stanley Cup in 1970 and 1972 and he was with the team for nine seasons. His scoring began in earnest when coach Harry Sinden stepped down after the 1970 Cup win and Tom Johnson took over, giving Hodge more power-play and ice time.
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This is Ken Hodge, a great member of the Boston Bruins who could never seem to win over the Boston Gardens faithful, or his Boston coaches.

The British born superstar played in 881 games, scoring 328 goals, 472 assists and 800 points. He formed a special connection with the great Phil Esposito, serving as his RW during the team's great seasons in the 1970s. Hodge is often overlooked in comparison to Espo, Bobby Orr, xxx and Wayne Cashman on that team, but the two time all star was a key component of that offensive juggernaut to be sure.

The problem with the fans was that they always expected more out of Hodge. When he arrived in Boston via Chicago he was one of the biggest men in hockey at 6'2" and 215lbs. They wanted him to use every ounce of muscle to bang away the opposition, but that was never really in Hodge's make up. He tried to fill that role, but he was much more successful as an offensive forward on Boston's top line.

As more success came, so did more criticism. He worked tirelessly to improve his skating so he could skate on that top line with Espo and Cash, and it paid off with seasons of 45, 43 and 50 goals, not to mention Stanley Cup championships in 1970 and 1972.
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Some critics claim Esposito merely reaped the rewards of playing with such able cornermen as Ken Hodge
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Ken Hodge amassed a total of 105. Notable, because he was the only one of the quartet who didn't play regularly on the power play. . . That, teammate Phil Esposito estimates, is worth 30 points at least. . A big, strapping fellow, Hodge moves efficiently on the ice and he's a rough man to meet in the corners.
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Hodge was one of the larger forwards of his era

Hodge scored a spectacular 45 goals and 45 assists to match Esposito's record season of 126 points. His production fell off significantly the next season (although Boston won the Stanley Cup bolstered by Hodge's skilled play), but the 1971 season saw the Bruins launch the greatest offensive juggernaut the league had ever seen, breaking dozens of offensive records. In that flurry, on one of the most feared forward lines of the era (with linemates Esposito and Wayne Cashman), Hodge would break the league record for points in a season by a right winger with 105, and finish fourth in NHL scoring. Bruins Esposito, Bobby Orr, Johnny Bucyk and Hodge finished 1–2–3–4 in league scoring—the first time in NHL history such a feat was accomplished.

The 1972 season saw Hodge slowed down by injuries, although he recovered again in the playoffs to help the Bruins to their second Stanley Cup in three years. In 1974 he scored 50 goals and 105 points to place third in league scoring, and with Esposito, Orr and Cashman likewise finished 1–2–3–4 in league scoring for the only other time in NHL history such a feat was accomplished.
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Ken Hodge gained prominence as Phil Esposito's right-hand man, nothing more than 400 assists while the two played together. With the Bruins, Hodge the right-winger, and Wayne Cashman, the portsider, would work the corners with one thing in mind: Feed the puck to Espo.

If, as many hockey observers claim, hockey games are won in the corners, Hodge is one of the most valuable Bruins.
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There was a general free for all. Ken Hodge jumped him and knocked him down again.
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The Nitro line of Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge, and Wayne Cashman became the most explosive offensive force in NHL history
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when they tallied 336 points, powered by Esposito's record setting 152 points. The feat was even more amazing considering Hodge and Cashman rarely played on the power play.
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Virtuosos such as Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge, xxx, Ed Westfall, Johnny Bucyk, and Wayne Cashman helped the Bs to Stanley Cups in 1970 and 1972.

Cam Neely was the new Ken Hodge.

Coach Harry Sinden placed Espo and Ken Hodge on the same line and finished off the trio by adding xxx. The threesome decimated opposing defenses...

"I would sit on the bench, and watch xxx and Ken Hodge shoot...I would pick out their strong points and try to imitate them in practice."-Famous Undrafted

xxx, Ted Green, Wayne Cashman, and Ken Hodge all contributed to the club's aggressive image.

The Bruins had decisively weakened their foe with punishing bodychecks...Ken Hodge almost decimated Vic Hadfield.
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Phil Esposito and Ken Hodge were great players for the Boston Bruins for many seasons.
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Facing the likes of Orr, Esposito, Hodge, and Bucyk-the most awesome offensive force at the time-
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Ken Hodge had a tremendous shot, he had a really hard shot.
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Needing a bigger and more aggressive team, Schmidt acquired Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge...
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There was less than half a minute remaining in the 1st period when the brawl started with Boston's Ken Hodge and xxx touching it off.
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The Boston Bruins' Jumbo Line is really putting it all together this season...The rugged trio of 200 pounders...
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Ken Hodge, the burly Boston right winger...
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Left winger Ken Hodge knocked in his second consecutive game winner...
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No need to remind Ken Hodge of the old hockey adage about not being able to score from the penalty box. The rugged right winger of the Boston Bruins...

Toronto coach King Clancy stopped by the Boston dressing room after the game to offer his congratulations. "You played a helluva game kid," he told Hodge.
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The physical presence of Phil Esposito's big wingers Wayne Cashman and Ken Hodge...
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The Bruins are good in the corners and throw as much hefty weight around as the Flyers, especially when Ken Hodge is playing well. Hodge is practically unstoppable when he puts his mind to it.
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Ken Hodge, xxx and John xxx were throwing their from the start, ... "We're going to try to be physical through the whole Stanley Cup . ...
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A reach, given some other coaches left, but.. DAMN YOU!!!
a reach? IIRC he was the 4th coach taken last time and that's where I rank him, so it's not really a reach. Even if it was the case, he is perfect fit for my team not just personally (just ask Frank Mahovlich), but even more with his hockey philosophy and style.

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Well, I think he might be more of a reach in that I think it's still too early for coaches to go in a 40 teamer, but I do agree that, in an ATD, Ivan is probably one of the best coaches to have, simply because he doesn't work under any particular system. He can coach any team.

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Most experts regard Svedberg to be the most talented Swedish defenseman ever. Everybody called him "Lill-Strimma". He was an exceptionally creative defenseman who was a joy to watch. Lill-Strimma was born on February 29,1944 in Φstrand and began playing hockey as a forward.
As a senior he made his debut in Wifsta / Φstrand (later Timrε) as a 16-year old.

Lill-Strimma made his international debut on the Swedish national team in a game against Czechoslovakia on December 8,1961. At that time he was only 17-years old and one of the youngest ever to represent Sweden. He scored the game tying 3-3 goal in his debut ( a 4-3 win). At that time he still was a forward.

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His unpredictable moves and effortless skating made him extremely hard to stop. He was a Paul Coffey type of player in regards of skating and offensive play. He didn't score many goals, but he set up a lot and created havoc in the offensive zone. He had his weaknesses in his defensive play, which of course wasn't strange considering the fact that he had been a forward for over 15 years.

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He was a "Michelangelo" on ice.
http://www.1972summitseries.com/othersvedberg.html


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What is LL's facebook? I can message him if someone knows it.
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