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02-24-2011, 06:38 PM
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Stastny to Buffalo (off-season)

To Buffalo:

C- Paul Stastny

To Colorado:

C- Derek Roy
D- Andrej Sekera
C- Luke Adam
2012 2nd round pick


Thoughts?

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02-24-2011, 06:40 PM
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way too much, Stastny is a glorified Roy to begin with.

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02-24-2011, 06:42 PM
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way too much, Stastny is a glorified Roy to begin with.
By glorified do you mean that he isn't knocked over by a light breeze?

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02-24-2011, 06:45 PM
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Buffalo gives up way too much

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02-24-2011, 06:45 PM
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Could you switch Sekera out with Weber, or is that a no go? Either way, I take the deal as Colorado.

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To Buffalo:

C- Paul Stastny

To Colorado:

C- Derek Roy
D- Andrej Sekera
C- Luke Adam
2012 2nd round pick


Thoughts?
Huge overpayment. And why do Sabres fans keep trying to ship Roy out to bring in Stastny? The point of acquiring Stastny would be to have a 1-2 of Stastny-Roy, otherwise we're left still chasing a second top-6 center. You're also trading off the only center prospect who's anywhere close to being NHL-ready.

Luke Adam
Mike Weber
Jhonas Enroth
2011 1st (will be top-10 if we miss the playoffs)

for

Paul Stastny
TJ Galiardi/Ryan Stoa

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02-24-2011, 06:48 PM
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Huge overpayment. And why do Sabres fans keep trying to ship Roy out to bring in Stastny? The point of acquiring Stastny would be to have a 1-2 of Stastny-Roy, otherwise we're left still chasing a second top-6 center. You're also trading off the only center prospect who's anywhere close to being NHL-ready.

Luke Adam
Mike Weber
Jhonas Enroth
2011 1st (will be top-10 if we miss the playoffs)

for

Paul Stastny
TJ Galiardi/Ryan Stoa
The problem with trading Stastny is that we would need a center coming back. I understand you feel that a Roy for Stastny swap, especially in a package, is a backwards move (I agree) but if I'm Colorado, I trade Stastny for a #2 center and then some.

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02-24-2011, 06:51 PM
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Stastny

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Stafford, Butler, Enroth, 2nd

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02-24-2011, 06:53 PM
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By glorified do you mean that he isn't knocked over by a light breeze?

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02-24-2011, 06:59 PM
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The problem with trading Stastny is that we would need a center coming back. I understand you feel that a Roy for Stastny swap, especially in a package, is a backwards move (I agree) but if I'm Colorado, I trade Stastny for a #2 center and then some.
Adam is a center and a point/game player in the AHL at age 20 and may win AHL Rookie of the Year, a year after being arguably the best forward in the Q. He gives you a good, young center prospect. He'll probably be NHL-ready next season. You also get a second top-10 draft pick (assuming we miss the playoffs this year--right now, we have approximately a 45% chance according to Sports Club Stats) where guys like Strome and Huberdeau may be on the board, as well as top-flight defensemen.

Then you also get two really nice pieces in Weber and Enroth. Weber is under-the-radar in HFBoards because he doesn't fight frequently, put people through the glass, or score 45+ pts from the blueline. He'd be on pace for over 200 hits if he played the full season. While +/- can be a deceiving stat, the guy is +21 in 61 NHL games. And those games were played with our 2007-08 team that finished 10th, and our team this year that's in 9th. And he just turned 23. Watch how quickly other Sabres fans try to get him out of my proposed deal. Meanwhile, Enroth is a nice goaltending prospect. Is he at Bernier's or Schneider's level yet? Nope. But he'll be a quality NHL netminder.

On the whole, that's a good offer from the Sabres.

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02-24-2011, 06:59 PM
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1. Personally, I feel Stastny is better, younger, and more of a playmaker while Roy is more of a sniper. Also, while Roy and Vanek have had success in the past, I feel Stastny would be a better fit.

2. Giving up Adam and a second rounder is probably a bit too much but I like Stastny so I'm willing to overpay to have a true number one center (which I don't really believe Roy is, but that's just my personal opinion).

Revision:

To Buffalo:

C- Paul Stastny

To Colorado:

C- Derek Roy
D- Andrej Sekera
C- Paul Byron

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02-24-2011, 07:01 PM
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Adam is a center and a point/game player in the AHL at age 20 and may win AHL Rookie of the Year, a year after being arguably the best forward in the Q. He gives you a good, young center prospect. He'll probably be NHL-ready next season. You also get a second top-10 draft pick (assuming we miss the playoffs this year--right now, we have approximately a 45% chance according to Sports Club Stats) where guys like Strome and Huberdeau may be on the board, as well as top-flight defensemen.

Then you also get two really nice pieces in Weber and Enroth. Weber is under-the-radar in HFBoards because he doesn't fight frequently, put people through the glass, or score 45+ pts from the blueline. He'd be on pace for over 200 hits if he played the full season. While +/- can be a deceiving stat, the guy is +21 in 61 NHL games. And those games were played with our 2007-08 team that finished 10th, and our team this year that's in 9th. And he just turned 23. Watch how quickly other Sabres fans try to get him out of my proposed deal. Meanwhile, Enroth is a nice goaltending prospect. Is he at Bernier's or Schneider's level yet? Nope. But he'll be a quality NHL netminder.

On the whole, that's a good offer from the Sabres.
Big deal. TJ Hensick was a ppg player in the AHL.

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02-24-2011, 07:03 PM
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No way from a Buffalo perspective.

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02-24-2011, 07:04 PM
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1. Personally, I feel Stastny is better, younger, and more of a playmaker while Roy is more of a sniper. Also, while Roy and Vanek have had success in the past, I feel Stastny would be a better fit.

2. Giving up Adam and a second rounder is probably a bit too much but I like Stastny so I'm willing to overpay to have a true number one center (which I don't really believe Roy is, but that's just my personal opinion).

Revision:

To Buffalo:

C- Paul Stastny

To Colorado:

C- Derek Roy
D- Andrej Sekera
C- Paul Byron
No one is saying Stastny isn't the better player. But you're left with the same problem we currently have: only one top-6 center. And you'll still be chasing a second top-6 center. It's dumb to trade Roy in a package for Stastny. It marginalizes the value in trading for Stastny.

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02-24-2011, 07:05 PM
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Big deal. TJ Hensick was a ppg player in the AHL.
Take half of one sentence in a long post, respond to that, and ignore the rest. Cool.

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02-24-2011, 07:16 PM
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Adam is a center and a point/game player in the AHL at age 20 and may win AHL Rookie of the Year, a year after being arguably the best forward in the Q. He gives you a good, young center prospect. He'll probably be NHL-ready next season. You also get a second top-10 draft pick (assuming we miss the playoffs this year--right now, we have approximately a 45% chance according to Sports Club Stats) where guys like Strome and Huberdeau may be on the board, as well as top-flight defensemen.

Then you also get two really nice pieces in Weber and Enroth. Weber is under-the-radar in HFBoards because he doesn't fight frequently, put people through the glass, or score 45+ pts from the blueline. He'd be on pace for over 200 hits if he played the full season. While +/- can be a deceiving stat, the guy is +21 in 61 NHL games. And those games were played with our 2007-08 team that finished 10th, and our team this year that's in 9th. And he just turned 23. Watch how quickly other Sabres fans try to get him out of my proposed deal. Meanwhile, Enroth is a nice goaltending prospect. Is he at Bernier's or Schneider's level yet? Nope. But he'll be a quality NHL netminder.

On the whole, that's a good offer from the Sabres.
Oh, I know, it's definitely a good offer, I'm just not sure about where it leaves the Avs. Like if you were offered Cam Ward for Drew Stafford, it's certainly a more than fair offer value wise, but with Miller do you really need Ward more than Stafford? That's my only concern, the value is great, IMO. I'm actually a big Weber fan. He reminds me of a more skilled Ryan Wilson, actually. I was also under the impression that Adam played wing, if he can play center, at least competently, then this offer is very enticing.

And Adam has already shown he can play better D for us than most of our blueliners.

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02-24-2011, 07:22 PM
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The best case would be to have Stastny and a 100 % Roy as 1a 1b. I think Stastny and Liles coming to Buffalo by deadline is the sort of signature move they need.

The idea? Next three years or bust. Edited after Dreger's Twitter that the Avs are asking a 2nd for Liles.

So a 2nd for Liles

Sekera,Adam, and a 1st or Pysyk for Stastny


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02-24-2011, 07:23 PM
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Oh, I know, it's definitely a good offer, I'm just not sure about where it leaves the Avs. Like if you were offered Cam Ward for Drew Stafford, it's certainly a more than fair offer value wise, but with Miller do you really need Ward more than Stafford? That's my only concern, the value is great, IMO. I'm actually a big Weber fan. He reminds me of a more skilled Ryan Wilson, actually. I was also under the impression that Adam played wing, if he can play center, at least competently, then this offer is very enticing.

And Adam has already shown he can play better D for us than most of our blueliners.
That was Ennis keeping Adam's shot out of the net.

That extra point would be real valuable for us right about now.

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02-24-2011, 07:31 PM
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That was Ennis keeping Adam's shot out of the net.

That extra point would be real valuable for us right about now.
I'm embarrassed I misremembered that. And honestly, with our tanking effort, we'd rather you guys have the point, too. That was a good game, though.

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Luke Adam - Young Center to replace Stastny next year
Drew Stafford - Goal scoring winger to replace Stewart
Mike Weber - Physical, 2nd pairing, shut down defensemen
1st rounder in 2012

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Stastny and Liles

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Switch one of the pieces with Jhonas Enroth and the value is good, but Colorado isn't going to trade him.

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How about it happens on Monday for

Stafford
Gragnani
Enroth
1st round pick

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People seem to forget Colorado really has no reason to trade Stastny.

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To Buffalo:

C- Paul Stastny

To Colorado:

C- Derek Roy
D- Andrej Sekera
C- Luke Adam
2012 2nd round pick


Thoughts?
I don't see the Sabres giving up 2 centers, especially since they'll also be losing Connolly this summer (if not sooner) and have only Byron, Gaustad and McCormick on the depth chart behind Stastny.

Let Part 1 happen on Monday:

To Buffalo:
J.M. Liles

To Colorado:
Andrej Sekera
3rd rd pick in 2011

Then Part 2 in the offseason:
To Buffalo:
Paul Stastny
3rd rd pick in 2012

To Colorado:
Derek Roy
Nathan Gerbe
Chris Butler
2nd rd pick in 2012

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People seem to forget Colorado really has no reason to trade Stastny.
Perhaps not on its own merit but teams always have to fill needs elsewhere by forefeiting assets in other positions. Did the Stars really have any reason to trade Neal?

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