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C Tomáš Hertl (2012, 17th overall, San Jose)

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01-18-2012, 04:29 PM
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Does anyone know where I might find game by game stats for him? Curious to see what kind of consistency he has in terms of production.
Best is the team site, here is the direct link to the team schedule and all the results, updated quickly and easy to navigate. Click on the score for a game recap. http://www.hc-slavia.cz/zapas.asp?sezona=2012

Since coming back from the WJC's he has 2 assists in 4 games. On the right are links to various other info like player stats and such that you would be interested in.

He has 9goals - 8 assists for 17 points in 23 games on the season, that is only 6 back of the team leader with 14 fewer games played.

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01-27-2012, 02:42 PM
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Does anyone know what Hertl's contract status will be after this season? Any chance he comes to NA next year?

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Hertl is my step-dad's best friend's nephew, haha; so I get a little bit of inside info about him. He says that he does not want to come to North America unless he is offered an NHL contract. He'll likely be playing for Slavia until an NHL team picks him up.

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Tomas Hertl

Where is he slotted to go & what is his upside? I remember watching him in the WJC and he had a pretty good tourney and if I'm remembering right he was ranked in the top 60 at the beginning of the year.


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02-04-2012, 07:49 AM
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Ranked in 20-30 range, but I have possibility to watch him and he is top5 forward in this draft. Highest potential besides obvious choices (Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk).

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Ranked in 20-30 range, but I have possibility to watch him and he is top5 forward in this draft. Highest potential besides obvious choices (Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk).
What's his upside? Top line forward? I'm hoping detroit can snag him, he has really impressed me so far.

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02-04-2012, 09:53 AM
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I have him going to Pittsburgh in my Mock draft.

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02-04-2012, 10:22 AM
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Reminds me of Martin Hanzal. Had one of the better showings of any draft eligible player in the u20s. Putting up big numbers on a mediocre team in the top men's Czech league. I'm always surprised to him ranked lower than Faksa. I'm always surprised to see him ranked below 20th. I'm guessing in five years there will be a thread started to ask why he was a top ten pick. I mean he seems to have that rare mix of absolutely everything. His skill upside is obvious. He demonstrated great puck protection, patience, vision and passing ability. He showed he's no slouch when firing the biscuit either. You can tell just by looking at him that he's going to be a big, strong man very soon. Not in the way Guillame Latendresse was, though. Not just a freak who was way, way too physically mature for his age and was able to man handle junior age players. Hertl looks like he's going to be a physical force, not that he is one now. Though he does seem to like hunting for the big hit. Add to all of that he's already proving himself against men, and he's excelling. Just like he excelled against the elite players in the world his age. Where guys like Faksa looked overwhelmed and failed to impress, Hertl shined brightly.

I haven't seen him more than a handful of times, but I've been following the draft closely for over ten years. This kid has all the indicators of a safe pick with tremendous upside. Kind of what most of us are looking for, right?

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03-14-2012, 08:19 PM
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Tomas Hertl

This kids got the size and the impressive numbers playing against men 25 pts in 38 gms. Why isnt he ranked higher?

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I wonder the same thing. I expect more than a few teams scouts will have him ranked pretty highly, I'd be surprised to see him drop lower than 20.

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Typical Detroit draft pick it seems, but now that their first is gone nevermind

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Hertl is my step-dad's best friend's nephew, haha; so I get a little bit of inside info about him. He says that he does not want to come to North America unless he is offered an NHL contract. He'll likely be playing for Slavia until an NHL team picks him up.
That is going to drop his draft status then

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That is going to drop his draft status then
He's already playing in a professional league, CHL would clearly be a downgrade for him.

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That is going to drop his draft status then
I'm not so sure. Personally, I'd be just fine with letting him develop in the Czech league for another year or two.

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Any updates? Is it safe to say he will be a late first rounder now? Also, what is an accurate comparison?

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Any updates? Is it safe to say he will be a late first rounder now? Also, what is an accurate comparison?
This is a fun one, let's run some comparables. Shall we?

Czech (and Czechoslovakian) Extraliga 17 Year Old Records all-time.
There is a mix of career Europeans and career NHLers on this list. I'll just who some highlights. These are guys with more than 20 GP in Czech Extraliga (or Czechoslovkia), ranked by pts/gp.
Name Season GP G A PTS PTS/GP
Ronald Petrovicky 1991-92 46 25 36 61 1.32
Jaromir Jagr 1989-90 51 30 29 59 1.16
Robert Reichel 1988-89 44 23 25 48 1.09
Jiri Hudler 2001-02 46 15 31 46 1.00
Ivan Hlinka 1967-68 32 15 14 29 0.91
David Vyborny 1992-93 52 20 24 44 0.85
Petr Klima 1982-83 44 19 17 36 0.82
Bobby Holik 1988-89 36 15 10 25 0.69
Tomas Hertl 2011-12 38 12 13 25 0.65
Vladimir Ruzicka 1980-81 41 12 13 25 0.61
Pavol Demitra 1992-93 46 10 18 28 0.61
Miroslav Satan 1992-93 38 11 6 17 0.45
Milan Hejduk 1993-94 22 6 3 9 0.41


That's a pretty damn good list of company to be in. Almost all of those guys had NHL seasons at above a pt/gp. Some had long runs of 5 years or more at that level.

Comparables? Try NHL all-star.

I should note that all records from 1992-93 and prior are from the Czechoslovakian Elite League which was more difficult to play in than the strictly Czech league that began in 1993-94. Jiri Hudler is the only somewhat recent comparable.

As far as going to the CHL, I'm fairly split on that. Guys like Alex Radulov have proven that there's nothing wrong with spending one year in the CHL where you still have some space and time to get acquainted with the smaller ice surface, before heading to the AHL or NHL.

Demitra seems like the farest comparable to me, and he spent 4 years in the minors (AHL/IHL) before he was given a real chance at the NHL level. But he was at a pt/gp in the minors as an 18 year old. Extremely impressive. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hertl do the same, except he wouldn't be eligible for the AHL until his 19 year old season. Perhaps one year in the CHL would do him some good.

Thoughts?

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This is a fun one, let's run some comparables. Shall we?

Czech (and Czechoslovakian) Extraliga 17 Year Old Records all-time.
There is a mix of career Europeans and career NHLers on this list. I'll just who some highlights. These are guys with more than 20 GP in Czech Extraliga (or Czechoslovkia), ranked by pts/gp.
Name Season GP G A PTS PTS/GP
Ronald Petrovicky 1991-92 46 25 36 61 1.32
Jaromir Jagr 1989-90 51 30 29 59 1.16
Robert Reichel 1988-89 44 23 25 48 1.09
Jiri Hudler 2001-02 46 15 31 46 1.00
Ivan Hlinka 1967-68 32 15 14 29 0.91
David Vyborny 1992-93 52 20 24 44 0.85
Petr Klima 1982-83 44 19 17 36 0.82
Bobby Holik 1988-89 36 15 10 25 0.69
Tomas Hertl 2011-12 38 12 13 25 0.65
Vladimir Ruzicka 1980-81 41 12 13 25 0.61
Pavol Demitra 1992-93 46 10 18 28 0.61
Miroslav Satan 1992-93 38 11 6 17 0.45
Milan Hejduk 1993-94 22 6 3 9 0.41


That's a pretty damn good list of company to be in. Almost all of those guys had NHL seasons at above a pt/gp. Some had long runs of 5 years or more at that level.

Comparables? Try NHL all-star.

I should note that all records from 1992-93 and prior are from the Czechoslovakian Elite League which was more difficult to play in than the strictly Czech league that began in 1993-94. Jiri Hudler is the only somewhat recent comparable.

As far as going to the CHL, I'm fairly split on that. Guys like Alex Radulov have proven that there's nothing wrong with spending one year in the CHL where you still have some space and time to get acquainted with the smaller ice surface, before heading to the AHL or NHL.

Demitra seems like the farest comparable to me, and he spent 4 years in the minors (AHL/IHL) before he was given a real chance at the NHL level. But he was at a pt/gp in the minors as an 18 year old. Extremely impressive. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hertl do the same, except he wouldn't be eligible for the AHL until his 19 year old season. Perhaps one year in the CHL would do him some good.

Thoughts?
I think he would be able to play in the AHL right away because he will be drafted out of a European league.

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He should stay where he is until he has a realistic chance to crack an NHL team lineup. Just like the Swedes do it.

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I think he would be able to play in the AHL right away because he will be drafted out of a European league.
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Correct.
My bad, i was thinking Filatov had to wait till 19. You guys are correct. It's the CHL guys that have to play 4 years before they are elligible. Riiiiiight.

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Only heard of this guy because league equivalencies show him as one of the most impressive prospects in the draft. Why not more hype?

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Only heard of this guy because league equivalencies show him as one of the most impressive prospects in the draft. Why not more hype?
Really outshined guys like Faksa, Girgensons, Collberg, and Forsberg at the WJC, too.

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Really outshined guys like Faksa, Girgensons, Collberg, and Forsberg at the WJC, too.
i wouldnt say he outshined them 2.

Collberg and Forsberg looked dominant; but Forsberg couldnt score as much as i would of hoped... but he did hit posts and have lots of scoring chances

I really like Hertl a lot. i think he will be a great steal for any team looking to draft a good all-around 2nd line C

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i wouldnt say he outshined them 2.

Collberg and Forsberg looked dominant; but Forsberg couldnt score as much as i would of hoped... but he did hit posts and have lots of scoring chances

I really like Hertl a lot. i think he will be a great steal for any team looking to draft a good all-around 2nd line C
I thought Forsberg looked in over his head, and was almost entirely invisible.

Collberg showed some nifty little moves and a nice shot. That's all I saw.

Hertl was really good in all facets, in all zones. He looked great, all around. He excelled.

Now, I realize this was just one tournament. It doesn't mean much. Hell, Forsberg looked like a 4th rounder, at best. He mayp go 4th overall. That just goes to show you how little the tournament means to the draft.

Im not saying Hertl is better than Forsberg. I only have one tournament to go off of. What I am saying is that he was so, so, so much more effective in that tiny sample size. Thats all.

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