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02-25-2011, 11:11 AM
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I think people need to dissociate "value to our team" from "objective value". This deal might not meet Colorado's current needs, but it's certainly overpayment from Montréal. Look at past deals. This is the kind of package that nets you a superstar.

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Stastny is very good.... but he's not THAT good.

I don't think i'd mortgage that many assets for 1 guy unless they are named Crosby.
Very good. So, to solve the problem, dont mortgage MANY assets. Give us less, but the players involved should be more valuable.

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02-25-2011, 11:15 AM
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If i was new to this board and didn't know anything about the NHL, i'd think Stastny was far superior than Gretzky, with all this proposals.

But, this is the HF, where players get overrated way too much, more so than anywhere else where there is hockey talk.
Actually, the Stastny proposals are being compared to actual previously rumored proposals. JJ, Stoll and Bernier.

I dont get it. We're parting with a #1 center, and the habs part with two players, who, when the lineup is healthy, dont fit into their top 6 (offensively) or top 4 (defensively). And we're supposed to be happy with the deal. It solves no issues on our team and sets up back at least 2 years.

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02-25-2011, 11:17 AM
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I think people need to dissociate "value to our team" from "objective value". This deal might not meet Colorado's current needs, but it's certainly overpayment from Montréal. Look at past deals. This is the kind of package that nets you a superstar.
Please explain.

This type of package nets you a superstar RENTAL.

Im not saying the package has no value, but it has no value to Colorado. If the proposal is between MTL-COL, then the proposed trade should address needs for both teams.


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02-25-2011, 11:19 AM
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Actually, the Stastny proposals are being compared to actual previously rumored proposals. JJ, Stoll and Bernier.

I dont get it. We're parting with a #1 center, and the habs part with two players, who, when the lineup is healthy, dont fit into their top 6 (offensively) or top 4 (defensively). And we're supposed to be happy with the deal. It solves no issues on our team and sets up back at least 2 years.

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I'm all for that proposal, LETS DO IT!!!

But that was only Dater jumping to conclusions.

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02-25-2011, 11:22 AM
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I'm all for that proposal, LETS DO IT!!!

But that was only Dater jumping to conclusions.
Maybe it was only Dater. But already, just looking at the pieces of the deal make so much more sense for the two teams involved.

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02-25-2011, 11:36 AM
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Please explain.

This type of package nets you a superstar RENTAL.

Im not saying the package has no value, but it has no value to Colorado. If the proposal is between MTL-COL, then the proposed trade should address needs for both teams.
he has 2 years left on his contract hardly a rental.

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02-25-2011, 11:41 AM
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So, we'll have a vastly overpaid centre in Gomez and a sligtly overpaid Stastny and no future and no room to make a solid defense squad ?

Nah. We can only take on Stastny if Gomez is dealt somewhere else.

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02-25-2011, 11:46 AM
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People need to understand that when Avs fans turn down all your prospects it's not insulting their abilities.

Why on earth would the Avs want to trade Stastny for someone who has Stastny potential? WHY? And why do we want a potentially good defenseman that fit the exact same mold of potentially good defensemen the Avs currently have?

PLUS people aren't even taking salary into account. We need a large contract coming back or the trade can't even happen.


The Avs don't NEED to trade Stastny. In fact, it's quite the opposite. If we're trading him it's for an ALREADY #1 defensman that is not a PMD. We don't want picks or prospects for him.

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02-25-2011, 12:59 PM
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Actually, the Stastny proposals are being compared to actual previously rumored proposals. JJ, Stoll and Bernier.

I dont get it. We're parting with a #1 center, and the habs part with two players, who, when the lineup is healthy, dont fit into their top 6 (offensively) or top 4 (defensively). And we're supposed to be happy with the deal. It solves no issues on our team and sets up back at least 2 years.

Sign me up!!
Both are 21, Webers playing big minutes and showing solid defense, the offense he exhibits will come, and Eller is trapped behind Gomez and Plekanec but still shows flashes

I thought the avs were rebuilding hence the prospects and picks

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02-25-2011, 01:03 PM
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Both are 21, Webers playing big minutes and showing solid defense, the offense he exhibits will come, and Eller is trapped behind Gomez and Plekanec but still shows flashes

I thought the avs were rebuilding hence the prospects and picks

Maybe if Stastny were 35, strading him for picks and prospects would make sense. Seeing as he's 25 and a ppg center with a strong defensive game, losing him for picks and prospects would send us back 3 years. We're building around Stastny and the only thing that he'll be traded for is super promising young goalie and really good NOT PMD.

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Maybe if Stastny were 35, strading him for picks and prospects would make sense. Seeing as he's 25 and a ppg center with a strong defensive game, losing him for picks and prospects would send us back 3 years. We're building around Stastny and the only thing that he'll be traded for is super promising young goalie and really good NOT PMD.
I assumed he was available as offers were being listened too as it seems he has an issue with management sorry for misinterpreting, we could offer up Nash rather then Weber, he's 6'3 and by all accounts is performing well beyond expectations

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Actually, the Stastny proposals are being compared to actual previously rumored proposals.
Well as long as they were actual rumours and not just rumoured rumours....

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also I thought you were building around duchene?

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I assumed he was available as offers were being listened too as it seems he has an issue with management
Hang on, is it Paul Stastny or Peter Stastny you're trying to trade for here?

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02-25-2011, 01:17 PM
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I assumed he was available as offers were being listened too as it seems he has an issue with management sorry for misinterpreting, we could offer up Nash rather then Weber, he's 6'3 and by all accounts is performing well beyond expectations
No, there was one rumored trade that had Jack Johnson and Bernier coming back. And people assumed because of that, he was available and being shopped.
If anything, the Avs have claimed that they'll take offers, but they're not TRYING to trade him

And Duchene has higher potential than Stastny, but the Avs build around a 1-2 center punch.

Also, PETER Stastny criticized management. Paul came out and said he disagrees with his dad and wants to stay an Av. Stastny is really good friends with Erik Johnson so I don't think he was THAT torn apart at trading Stewart

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also I thought you were building around duchene?
building around stas duchene and ej

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Quantity =/= Quality

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Da hell? a 2011 1st, a 2012 1st, Eller and Weber is considered quantity??!! Give your head a shake dude, it's Paul Statsny we're talking about, not Ovechkin.

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Da hell? a 2011 1st, a 2012 1st, Eller and Weber is considered quantity??!! Give your head a shake dude, it's Paul Statsny we're talking about, not Ovechkin.
value-wise it's okay but the Avs aren't going to do it because this is not what we need.
If the Avs were shopping Stastny and he was demanding a trade we may accept a package. But that's not the case, we don't want a package of picks and prospects we want players that are Stastny quality NOW

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When people say you don't make quality for quantity trades when Stastny is involved, it doesn't mean the sum of the value of what you offer is poor. It just means your package lack a center piece that would make Avs interested. As does this package.

Nothing here really makes Avs sit up and listen. Eller and Weber, while certainly possibly being able to turn into good players are one or two steps behind the caliber of prospects that could be a good center piece of a trade like this. Two picks in the lower half of the first round also, while being nice, isn't really something to get all excited about.

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02-25-2011, 02:07 PM
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Da hell? a 2011 1st, a 2012 1st, Eller and Weber is considered quantity??!! Give your head a shake dude, it's Paul Statsny we're talking about, not Ovechkin.
Lol ok...

Lars Eller - Nice prospect but unproven commodity (does he have the potential to be a top 6 forward? Maybe but remains to be seen) [64 NHL GP]

Yannick Weber - Decent prospect but unproven commodity (does he have top-4 potential? Maybe but remains to be seen) [41 NHL GP]

1st in 2011 - (probably in the 15-25 range) has value but still...unproven commodity
1st in 2012 - (probably in the 15-25 range) has value but stil...unproven commidity

So basically, this PHENOMENAL PACKAGE, that should net OVECHKIN, is a giant overpayment because we're trading our ALREADY ESTABLISHED point per game, #1 center, who plays a great 2 way game????

Perhaps, I'm wrong in my assesment and Eller is a SURE-FIRE, BLUE-CHIP top line forward and Yannick Weber is a SURE-FIRE, BLUE-CHIP top pairing d-man??? Yeah, that's probably it.

Give YOUR head a shake, these are pieces that most habs fans don't mind parting with. The 1st round picks are nice but in no way a guarantee that they'll turn out to be players.

By the way, this is coming from someone who is a HUGE fan of Lars Eller. Personally, I believe he's going to turn out to be a pretty good player but for right now, it's still far from a sure thing.

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This proposal simply doesn't work. Whether the value is fair or not is immaterial. Avs fans state it does not address team needs, and Habs fans state it is too much for us to give to get a single player who is very good in a comparable manner to Plekanec. So, the proposal is just wrong for these two teams. Avs fans could simply leave it there, rather than trying to prove how "pathetic" the deal is. In terms of value, most teams would consider such a package for a good player. I know if a similar offer for Plekanec arose, we would consider it and weigh it in terms of our needs, rather than in terms of insulting the players involved.

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Add Kostitsyn and its a deal

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