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02-25-2011, 07:31 PM
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Yay, signing Phillips...praise be to Murray

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Murray better no eff this up and give him too much money.
Honestly the sens will be nowhere near the cap the next couple of years so his salary is almost irrelevant.

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We have quite possibly the worst GM in the league when it comes to signing contracts so I don't expect anything close to 2 years 6.5 million or whatever. He'll prolly get something similar to Alfie.

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You people are SAD.
I don't even need to read this thread to know that this is the best post in it.

Seriously, I'm predicting 6.5M$ for 2 years.

Why? Because I probably know a bit more than the average fan even if I know next to nothing compare to people who work in NHL organizations...

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Bobby Mac is saying that it's less then the 3.5mil he's making now.. interested to see what the offer is...

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Phillips has a contract offer from Ottawa, but it's at less money than the $3.5 million he's currently making. Is he prepared to take the financial haircut required to stay with the only NHL team he's ever played on, or is the financial discrepancy so great he's prepared to uproot his family, waive his no trade and audition for free agency and a bigger payday on July 1st? Phillips and his agent J.P. Barry will confer on Friday night and Saturday and let the Sens know of their intentions.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=355402

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I don't even need to read this thread to know that this is the best post in it.

Seriously, I'm predicting 6.5M$ for 2 years.

Why? Because I probably know a bit more than the average fan even if I know next to nothing compare to people who work in NHL organizations...
Right...I guess if have 8800 posts it just starts to 'feel' like your smart.

How about this statment you made 3 months ago.

"Kuba just seems to settle the entrie defence down" - Xpsyrit
Explain hat one to us genius.....

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02-25-2011, 08:25 PM
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Right...I guess if have 8800 posts it just starts to 'feel' like your smart.

How about this statment you made 3 months ago.

"Kuba just seems to settle the entrie defence down" - Xpsyrit
Explain hat one to us genius.....
Kuba was great before his injury. Solid, all around, 40+ point defender.

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Kuba was great before his injury. Solid, all around, 40+ point defender.
yes, but this is after his injury, he doesnt fit in with a rebuilding team
i knoiw exactly what youre saying, but I personally want Kuba gone

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yes, but this is after his injury, he doesnt fit in with a rebuilding team
i knoiw exactly what youre saying, but I personally want Kuba gone
I don't think you got what I was saying...I also want Kuba gone, and Phillips and Neil and Carkner.

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I don't think you got what I was saying...I also want Kuba gone, and Phillips and Neil and Carkner.
Why?

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JP Barry was on HNIC radio this afternoon talking Phillips and his situation.

You can listen here ~ http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/Hoc...adio_on_Sirius




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Why?
Because I don't believe we need useless plugs who only hit and fight and are "physical", aka Carkner and Neil.

Kuba's been crap but I'm willing to give him a break given his history and injury (see: Michalek).

Phillips has been one of the worst defensemen in the NHL this year. Abysmal offense (more than usual) and he's been nothing special on defense. But apparently he has value, trade him! That being said, unlike Kuba, his track record is not as good and he's UFA so if we're so emotionally invested, do a trade and sign. He owes us just as much as we owe him.

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game is done! Let the discussion begin!

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Because I don't believe we need useless plugs who only hit and fight and are "physical", aka Carkner and Neil.

Kuba's been crap but I'm willing to give him a break given his history and injury (see: Michalek).

Phillips has been one of the worst defensemen in the NHL this year. Abysmal offense (more than usual) and he's been nothing special on defense. But apparently he has value, trade him! That being said, unlike Kuba, his track record is not as good and he's UFA so if we're so emotionally invested, do a trade and sign. He owes us just as much as we owe him.
Nobody wants Kuba around here next year.

Carkner I could take or leave, don;t really care.

Neil def should stick around. This team needs some more Neil. SOme nights Kelly neil and Ruutu were the only line that cared out there, say what you want about Neil but he rarely takes a night off. That needs to be rubbed off on the young guys coming up. The team will also need some degree of toughness and protection next year. The sens would get pushed around and intimidated without a guy like Neil around. Overall team toughness will be a huge issue as this team rows with its youngsters.

Phillips I'd want more than Gonchar, Carkner and Kuba.

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02-25-2011, 09:16 PM
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Kuba was great before his injury. Solid, all around, 40+ point defender.
"was" ...He sucks . Let him go, he's worthless with us now. He's all washed up

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02-25-2011, 09:18 PM
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Phillips I'd want more than Gonchar, Carkner and Kuba.
To me it goes

Gonchar>Phillips>Carkner>Kuba

We need Gonchar for Rundblad, Karlsson
Phillips for Cowen

Carkner to protect the kids and to be a good bottom 5-6 defenceman

Kuba for...what exacly?

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02-25-2011, 09:19 PM
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Nobody wants Kuba around here next year.

Carkner I could take or leave, don;t really care.

Neil def should stick around. This team needs some more Neil. SOme nights Kelly neil and Ruutu were the only line that cared out there, say what you want about Neil but he rarely takes a night off. That needs to be rubbed off on the young guys coming up. The team will also need some degree of toughness and protection next year. The sens would get pushed around and intimidated without a guy like Neil around. Overall team toughness will be a huge issue as this team rows with its youngsters.

Phillips I'd want more than Gonchar, Carkner and Kuba.
We don't need more Neil. We need some skill who cares. It's more about how bad this team is than Neil when Kelly + Neil + Ruutu is your best line.

I'd easily take Gonchar over Phillips, it's not even close. The rest can go but I am more cautious about Kuba. We cut Michalek slack for being injured and turning it on. Kovalev was injured then turned it on after a while. Kuba's shown more pop the last bit, maybe he's rounding back into form too?

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"was" ...He sucks . Let him go, he's worthless with us now. He's all washed up
I'm not convinced yet. Not enough time given he was injured. I'd still trade him for anything but I would not be surprised if he rebounded big next year.

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Right...I guess if have 8800 posts it just starts to 'feel' like your smart.

How about this statment you made 3 months ago.

"Kuba just seems to settle the entrie defence down" - Xpsyrit
Explain hat one to us genius.....
I could have 10 posts and could still bring more than you do... Nothing to do with the number of posts.

Settle the entrie defence down? What the **** does that mean?

I dunno if you have some "hockey eyes" but as I watched and played in thousands and thousands of hockey games, I can easily tell you that Kuba has looked a lot lot better in the last 3 games than he did all season long.

Ok now, take that quality of play to a 2 years younger and lot healthier Filip Kuba, and you had a solid 2-way 40 pts D-man. THAT IS valuable in the NHL. Kuba was a key piece of this defense in 2008-09 and yes, he helped that team to settle a lot. They had Gerber and Auld as goalies and Hartsburg as a coach for CS

So, no, I have no crystal ball and I didn't see that Kuba fast decline (probably because of injuries) coming.

Don't need to be a genius to make that kind of analysis but I'm not expecting you of anything anyway, I have read enough of your crap...


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I'm not convinced yet. Not enough time given he was injured. I'd still trade him for anything but I would not be surprised if he rebounded big next year.
Don't hold your breath. With the upcoming defence, i'd much rather take on Rundblad, Cowen, Wiercioch or whoever we could draft, before even thinking of keeping Kuba. His role can be easaly replaced, giveaways free

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Why?
You need to stop being sentimental, and even loyal, at some point.

Neil at 2,000,000 may be worth it on a team that's going for it and can use some grit, but why do we need him?

We talk about Phillips mentoring, but can we remember any player mentioning Phillips as a mentor?

Kuba is on the downside.

We can get defensive awareness for the kids from Luke Richardson or the coaches. I hate to say "Look at Toronto", but they traded their vet and their kids are still charging and learning. I know we don't have their longevity and all but...you have to cut the cord sometime.

Keeping Phillips would be fine at 2.0 or so...

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Right...I guess if have 8800 posts it just starts to 'feel' like your smart.

How about this statment you made 3 months ago.

"Kuba just seems to settle the entrie defence down" - Xpsyrit
Explain hat one to us genius.....
I don't feel smrt.

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You need to stop being sentimental, and even loyal, at some point.

Neil at 2,000,000 may be worth it on a team that's going for it and can use some grit, but why do we need him?

We talk about Phillips mentoring, but can we remember any player mentioning Phillips as a mentor?

Kuba is on the downside.

We can get defensive awareness for the kids from Luke Richardson or the coaches. I hate to say "Look at Toronto", but they traded their vet and their kids are still charging and learning. I know we don't have their longevity and all but...you have to cut the cord sometime.

Keeping Phillips would be fine at 2.0 or so...
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We don't need more Neil. We need some skill who cares. It's more about how bad this team is than Neil when Kelly + Neil + Ruutu is your best line.

I'd easily take Gonchar over Phillips, it's not even close. The rest can go but I am more cautious about Kuba. We cut Michalek slack for being injured and turning it on. Kovalev was injured then turned it on after a while. Kuba's shown more pop the last bit, maybe he's rounding back into form too?



I'm not convinced yet. Not enough time given he was injured. I'd still trade him for anything but I would not be surprised if he rebounded big next year.
Not sure why so many people on here want Neil traded? He wears his heart on his sleeve and sticks up for every player on the roster. You trade him and we get rolled over constantly by the opposition. Same with Carkner, he's cheap, reliable bottom pairing defenceman and is one hell of a fighter. We have no one in the barn that can do that. We definately need some tough guys to step up and protect the parade of young guys coming in full time next season.

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You need to stop being sentimental, and even loyal, at some point.

Neil at 2,000,000 may be worth it on a team that's going for it and can use some grit, but why do we need him?

We talk about Phillips mentoring, but can we remember any player mentioning Phillips as a mentor?

Kuba is on the downside.

We can get defensive awareness for the kids from Luke Richardson or the coaches. I hate to say "Look at Toronto", but they traded their vet and their kids are still charging and learning. I know we don't have their longevity and all but...you have to cut the cord sometime.

Keeping Phillips would be fine at 2.0 or so...
Not being sentimental. Gonchar will be the useless one around here at $5M/yr being as useless as he has been.

Neil is a useful player to have around. This team is going to get pushed around big time for the next few years. Not the proper way to develop.

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Not sure why so many people on here want Neil traded? He wears his heart on his sleeve and sticks up for every player on the roster. You trade him and we get rolled over constantly by the opposition. Same with Carkner, he's cheap, reliable bottom pairing defenceman and is one hell of a fighter. We have no one in the barn that can do that. We definately need some tough guys to step up and protect the parade of young guys coming in full time next season.
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Not being sentimental. Gonchar will be the useless one around here at $5M/yr being as useless as he has been.

Neil is a useful player to have around. This team is going to get pushed around big time for the next few years. Not the proper way to develop.
I don't get why we NEED fighting, gritty types. Who is going to roll us over? Boogaard? Kaleta? Smith can fight guys like Kaleta, Downie, whatever, and we shouldn't concern ourselves with goons (see: Detroit). I think we have this idea that character guys who fight and hit but can't do anything else are needed to win but...says who? It's just some romantic notion that the plucky guy who tries hard can make it and be useful...but are they? Not really...all that matters is goals and defense, not hits, blocks or PIMs. Our skill guys can have character and grit; like Richards or Perry or Getzlaf. If Neil has perceived value, trade his ass. Take emotion out of this.

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