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Setoguchi good trade bait?

View Poll Results: Should the Sharks keep or trade Devin Setoguchi?
Keep him 92 91.09%
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02-28-2011, 03:19 PM
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And Marleau was also paid better than Setoguchi is.
Shark fans wanted to sign seto to something similar to what pavs got just this offseason. Good thing wilson has a brain and signed him cheap, now that its been better parts of 2 full seasons he has been absolute garbage for 40+ games a season.

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02-28-2011, 03:25 PM
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Shark fans wanted to sign seto to something similar to what pavs got just this offseason. Good thing wilson has a brain and signed him cheap, now that its been better parts of 2 full seasons he has been absolute garbage for 40+ games a season.
most of the people said low 3's.........which if he put up 25-30 goals (still could) would be fine.

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02-28-2011, 03:30 PM
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I think Seto's contract will depend almost totally on his playoff performance at this point.

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02-28-2011, 03:58 PM
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Shark fans wanted to sign seto to something similar to what pavs got just this offseason. Good thing wilson has a brain and signed him cheap, now that its been better parts of 2 full seasons he has been absolute garbage for 40+ games a season.
Those fans were assuming it was a long term deal and not short term. I don't understand why you feel the need to insult people based on your poor recollection of people's speculation.

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02-28-2011, 04:17 PM
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And those same fans said he would bounce back because last season was all due to the injuries he had and he would return to his 30 goal 50-60 point player all expect him to be.

I was glad at the start of the season it was only a 1 year deal and still think this is what we can expect out of him, 20 goals and 30-40 points.

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And those same fans said he would bounce back because last season was all due to the injuries he had and he would return to his 30 goal 50-60 point player all expect him to be.

I was glad at the start of the season it was only a 1 year deal and still think this is what we can expect out of him, 20 goals and 30-40 points.
Whatever, guy. Even if this is all that you expect out of him and that's all he gives, what he gets paid is fine. I don't see what your problem is.

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02-28-2011, 04:25 PM
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And those same fans said he would bounce back because last season was all due to the injuries he had and he would return to his 30 goal 50-60 point player all expect him to be.

I was glad at the start of the season it was only a 1 year deal and still think this is what we can expect out of him, 20 goals and 30-40 points.
He's at 18 and on pace for 23 goals (27G if full 82 game season) with 19 games left. He's been hot lately, which pushes the numbers in his favor a little right now, but why not hope for the best. He's an RFA and gonna get paid based on his results.

I don't see your problem with him either. He's not untradeable, but there's no reason to dump him either.

EDIT: Fixed goal ratio as I didn't account for games missed.

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02-28-2011, 04:39 PM
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Seto is comparable to Stafford and McArthur, producing similar and getting paid similar. If his demands don't outstrip his production, he is not a boat anchor (like some others) on the cap. The problem comes if he wants $3mil for 40 pts of production. If he produces higher, different story.

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02-28-2011, 04:44 PM
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I'd like to see him get Perron's two-year 2.15 million deal, but would be pretty content with anything in the 2.5 range. I like his speed, physicality, offense, and recent improvement in defensive awareness.

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I'd like to see him get Perron's two-year 2.15 million deal, but would be pretty content with anything in the 2.5 range. I like his speed, physicality, offense, and recent improvement in defensive awareness.
Agree.

He's been one of our best forechecker's and he's thankfully decided to add defense to his repertoire finally. If there is even a chance of him rounding out to a 'complete' player you hang onto that.

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02-28-2011, 05:03 PM
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If he's willing to sign a contract for around 2 million i would be excstatic. Having a 7th top six guy is a huge thing that we have been missing. Espectially considering that our big 3 rarely plays well in the playoffs.

Im expecting a deal more like 2.5 million for 3 years or something. A two year deal would make him a UFA at the end of it right? If so I think the sharks would be smart to hold onto him for another year just incase he tries to dip.

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02-28-2011, 05:45 PM
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No more than $2.5mil.

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No more than $2.5mil.
what if he puts up 10 more goals in the last 20 games and dominates the playoffs?

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what if he puts up 10 more goals in the last 20 games and dominates the playoffs?
Still. One year @ $2.5mil.

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02-28-2011, 06:23 PM
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Still. One year @ $2.5mil.
If our top 4 is Murray, Vlasic, Demers and Boyle we are going to have a fair amount of extra cap space. If we dont resign Seto what would you rather do with the money than resign seto?

Personally i would make 3.5 the limit if its a 1 year deal. I just dont see what else to use the money on, unless you want to resign White or get another dman (which would push Braun out on the depth chart)

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If our top 4 is Murray, Vlasic, Demers and Boyle we are going to have a fair amount of extra cap space. If we dont resign Seto what would you rather do with the money than resign seto?
Upgrade the D. It is possible to have both White and Seto next year, since the cap is going up by 2 mil.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Devin Setoguchi ($2.500m)
Kyle Wellwood ($1.200m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.800m)
Ben Eager ($1.000m) / Scott Nichol ($0.800m) / John McCarthy ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Ian White ($3.499m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.500m) /Alex Stalock ($0.850m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,408,329; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): -$8,329

You basically have near ~2mil for some veteran stay at home bottom pairing dman and a forward callup.

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02-28-2011, 06:34 PM
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Better to have extra cap space and room to move than get stuck at the cap with no moves available.

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02-28-2011, 06:37 PM
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Free $2mil in cap space is pretty good. Also if Niemi doesn't stay, you get ~3.5mil in cap space by having Nitty w/Stalock.

A lot depends on the outcome of this year's playoffs, IMO.

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02-28-2011, 06:44 PM
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Upgrade the D. It is possible to have both White and Seto next year, since the cap is going up by 2 mil.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Dany Heatley ($7.500m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Devin Setoguchi ($2.500m)
Kyle Wellwood ($1.200m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Benn Ferriero ($0.800m)
Ben Eager ($1.000m) / Scott Nichol ($0.800m) / John McCarthy ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Boyle ($6.666m) / Douglas Murray ($2.500m)
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m)
Ian White ($3.499m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.500m) /Alex Stalock ($0.850m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,408,329; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): -$8,329

You basically have near ~2mil for some veteran stay at home bottom pairing dman and a forward callup.
I like this line-up for the most part. I think we could use a more defensive defenseman to pair with Braun, but I suppose White is an upgrade on Huskins defensively and Demers did fine with Huskins in his rookie year.

What I meant to ask you is what would you do if Setoguchi wants 3.5 million? I know you said that 2.5 was the limit for you; do you think Seto is more important than White if he's not even going to be in the top 4? If we had to choose between keeping Seto and White I would definately take Seto.

EDIT: And I know Seto isnt going to realisticly demand 3.5. This is just a hypothetical situation.

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What I meant to ask you is what would you do if Setoguchi wants 3.5 million? I know you said that 2.5 was the limit for you; do you think Seto is more important than White if he's not even going to be in the top 4? If we had to choose between keeping Seto and White I would definately take Seto.

EDIT: And I know Seto isnt going to realisticly demand 3.5. This is just a hypothetical situation.
Trade him. He'll fetch someone good. Pair him with Vlasic and a 1st and get a stud defenseman (sign and trade if you need).

As I said, depends if we win the Cup or just overall performance in the playoffs.

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02-28-2011, 08:37 PM
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Sign a veteran forward/possible reclamation project who can score with something of a playoff pedigree for sub-$2mil to play on the third line instead of Ferriero and I'm more or less happy with that lineup. I would like to explore options other than White on the blueline though. I'd rather have Coburn, Tyutin, Meszaros and Hjalmarsson--in that order--than White. I don't know if any of them will be available but I'd say there's a good chance and that they won't cost much more than McGinn+2nd or so.

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If we could get any of those guys with McGinn and a 2nd, I'd be ecstatic. McGinn doesn't have that much value anymore IMO, but a Cap-strapped Chicago team might do it to get Hjalmersson's salary of the books for a cheap young third/fourth liner with upside.

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Trade him before he rubs off on the younger guys.

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If we could get any of those guys with McGinn and a 2nd, I'd be ecstatic. McGinn doesn't have that much value anymore IMO, but a Cap-strapped Chicago team might do it to get Hjalmersson's salary of the books for a cheap young third/fourth liner with upside.
That was my thought process as well. Philadelphia will be in even larger cap hell than the Blackhawks with Giroux's salary quadrupling and Leino needing to be re-signed to a UFA contract. Since there's only one year left on Coburn's deal before he reaches UFA status (and that he's had a down year), I think McGinn and a 2nd is fair value but I have no idea what is anymore. Flyers could use a cheap upgrade over Nodl on the third line for next year and McGinn could do that or settle into a fourth line role. Or they could save Coburn's entire contract and just not tender him a contract.

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Sign a veteran forward/possible reclamation project who can score with something of a playoff pedigree for sub-$2mil to play on the third line instead of Ferriero and I'm more or less happy with that lineup. I would like to explore options other than White on the blueline though. I'd rather have Coburn, Tyutin, Meszaros and Hjalmarsson--in that order--than White. I don't know if any of them will be available but I'd say there's a good chance and that they won't cost much more than McGinn+2nd or so.
Unless Coburn or Tyutin are available, we'd be better off keeping Ian White than going with Meszaros or Hjalmarsson.

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