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Hemsky will not be moved to the Kings unless Schenn is coming the other way

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02-27-2011, 11:35 AM
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agree to to disagree than.
So you wouldn't trade Petry straight up for Schenn then?

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At that point you would be removing Hall, Eberle, and Paajarvi from your prospect/1st year player list though
Solid point, then he'd be 2 behind whomever we draft in june, 1 before then, look just call Lombardi and tell him to make a deal, I want my 2 favorite teams to thrive already lol.

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02-27-2011, 11:38 AM
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Rating Petry above Schenn is a true Homer move. I like Petry, but he doesnt have the upside of Schenn. I mean, lets be honest here. He is above Paajarvi as well. He would be on par or probably a little behind Eberle to be honest.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky?

I know I wouldnt. Not even close.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky and Penner?

Now you are getting closer.

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02-27-2011, 11:43 AM
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Rating Petry above Schenn is a true Homer move. I like Petry, but he doesnt have the upside of Schenn. I mean, lets be honest here. He is above Paajarvi as well. He would be on par or probably a little behind Eberle to be honest.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky?

I know I wouldnt. Not even close.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky and Penner?

Now you are getting closer.
What we would trade our prospects for and what LA would is different though. We're the last place team in the league two years running.

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02-27-2011, 11:44 AM
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Meh. DL doesn't have the balls to do a "Joe Nieuwendyk-for-Jarome Iginla" type trade.
One of the shortest, and possibly most accurate posts here.

The thing that seems to have plauged Lombardi throughout his career is an inability and/or refusal to make the gutsy trade to turn his team from a middle-of-the-road team that became good almost of blind luck, into a legitimate playoff contender. As a GM, you sometimes have to be willing to lose a deal on absolute value and even if you think that Schenn will be a productive player for the Oilers for a long time, be willing to make the move because it's the right one to make now.

On the Tambellini-side of the coin though, I think he's problably bluffing pretty big here aswell. If Hemsky isn't in the long term plans, the best time to trade him is now because he has an attractive year on his deal, and the best value they get will problably be from the Los Angeles Kings.

At the end of the day, this really comes down to a pissing match between two GMs. Tambellini knows that Los Angeles needs a top line player or they'll risk missing the playoffs in which case Lombardi should problably lose his job, so it makes sense for them to part with Brayden Schenn. Lombardi knows that Edmonton needs to cash out on Hemsky, and that it makes sense to do so for the package of non-Schenn futures that is being offered. Both of these guys will problably sit in their offices on deadline day just praying to see the other guy's number pop up on call display. It'll be interesting to see if either of them crack. If one does, I suspect it'll be Lombardi, there seems to be more urgency there, fewer alternatives, and Edmonton does have the ability to make a deal like this easier to swallow.... do something like Schenn + a blueliner for Hemsky + Cogliano.

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Rating Petry above Schenn is a true Homer move. I like Petry, but he doesnt have the upside of Schenn. I mean, lets be honest here. He is above Paajarvi as well. He would be on par or probably a little behind Eberle to be honest.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky?

I know I wouldnt. Not even close.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky and Penner?

Now you are getting closer.
how is it a homer move?...what says Schenn doesn't turn into Brule ? what has Schenn done that has him being held to such high esteem? do tell.

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Rating Petry above Schenn is a true Homer move. I like Petry, but he doesnt have the upside of Schenn. I mean, lets be honest here. He is above Paajarvi as well. He would be on par or probably a little behind Eberle to be honest.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky?

I know I wouldnt. Not even close.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky and Penner?

Now you are getting closer.
See, we Oiler and Kings fans can agree on some things

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02-27-2011, 11:47 AM
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Rating Petry above Schenn is a true Homer move. I like Petry, but he doesnt have the upside of Schenn. I mean, lets be honest here. He is above Paajarvi as well. He would be on par or probably a little behind Eberle to be honest.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky?

I know I wouldnt. Not even close.

Would you trade Eberle for Hemsky and Penner?

Now you are getting closer.
While I would trade Eberle for Hemsky and Penner, I wouldn't trade Hemsky and Penner for Eberle. It's not an even trade. Teams don't get better by trading two very good NHL player for one very good NHL player. This proposal just shows how unlikely a trade like Schenn for Hemsky is.

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how is it a homer move?...what says Schenn doesn't turn into Brule ? what has Schenn done that has him being held to such high esteem? do tell.
Uhhh, couldn't you say that about every draft pick ever.

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how is it a homer move?...what says Schenn doesn't turn into Brule ? what has Schenn done that has him being held to such high esteem? do tell.
What's to say Hall, Eberle or Pajaarvi improve from where they are now? You can make "what if's" for every player in the league.

What if Hemsky gets injured and never plays again?

Schenn is viewed as one of the top prospects not in the league at this point. He could end up being a 1st line center, he could end up never amounting to anything. The same can be said about whoever we use our 1st on this year.

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Uhhh, couldn't you say that about every draft pick ever.
that's my point...why would I as a GM trade proven players that have shown they're capapble for potential that may or may not be reached?
If I was Tambellini I would expect more for Hemsky than just Schenn.
but that's just me.

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that's my point...why would I as a GM trade proven players that have shown they're capapble for potential that may or may not be reached?
If I was Tambellini I would expect more for Hemsky than just Schenn.
but that's just me.
On the same token we should trade our first overall this year then.

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funny to see people *****ing at each other over this. i'm just enjoying the ride

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On the same token we should trade our first overall this year then.
does it REALLY bother you that i don't share the same opinion as you?
if the right player was available...than yes, yes I would trade our 1st.
Like I said, agree to disagree...you have your opinion and I respect it, I have mine.

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does it REALLY bother you that i don't share the same opinion as you?
if the right player was available...than yes, yes I would trade our 1st.
Like I said, agree to disagree...you have your opinion and I respect it, I have mine.
I'm not angry at you not sharing my opinion, I just don't agree with it. The Oilers are rebuilding and are very weak at the center position.

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Idiocy would be to assume a player drafted four years ago that is a marginal AHL defenceman is going to somehow be a star in the NHL.

Sorry I don't drink your koolaid. Hickey and Teubert look more and more like busts everyday.
It's not my koolaid. I simply take note of the fact that both players enjoy a reputation as good prospects among NHL scouts, or at least they did a year ago. If you choose to think that your personal take on that matters jack **** to anyone, dream on.

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I'm not angry at you not sharing my opinion, I just don't agree with it. The Oilers are rebuilding and are very weak at the center position.
sorry, sometimes it's hard to tell on message boards...and I see how heated posters can get when discussing trades and value of players.

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Another reason why the return for Hemsky won't be Schenn:

Hemsky has how many >PPG seasons and injury-less seasons?

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Since when did Schenn become the next coming of Crosby?

I have never seen so many people trying to be like Brian Burke all at once.

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Another reason why the return for Hemsky won't be Schenn:

Hemsky has how many >PPG seasons and injury-less seasons?
how many PPG players are there in the NHL. Ovechkin isn't even on pace to score at a PPG this year....Rick Nash hasn't hit PPG very often either (if at all) and I wouldn't trade him for Schenn. Last year Parise, who is a stud, only scored at a PPG if I recall correctly.

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Another reason why the return for Hemsky won't be Schenn:

Hemsky has how many >PPG seasons and injury-less seasons?


A player isn't valuable if he doesn't have ppg seasons? Why don't you go look at his stats. Hes been close to a ppg 5 out of 8 years played.

Honestly. Having a clue of what you're talking about may help you in the future.

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Did we run Paajarvi and Omark for Schenn through the wringer yet?

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Another reason why the return for Hemsky won't be Schenn:

Hemsky has how many >PPG seasons and injury-less seasons?
To be fair, Schenn has 0 of both.

Anze Kopitar has never had a ppg season.

People use the ppg mark as a mark of excellence because it's easy to measure. Human's are remarkably bad at conversions and as such we choose the easiest ones. The level of a 1st line player is actually below a point per game.

Last year there were 15 players who had 82 points or more. (I use 82 because he point's out the impossibility of good players getting injured.) There are 90 forwards playing the 1st lines of NHL team's at any given time.

A PPG can be used to find the top 15 players in the game but it's unlikely you will ever be able to trade for one.

edit: A final look at this idea using this year. Of the 90 players in the top 90 scoring in the league this year, only 12(13%) of them are a point per game. About 13% of 1st line players score more than a ppg.


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that's my point...why would I as a GM trade proven players that have shown they're capapble for potential that may or may not be reached?
If I was Tambellini I would expect more for Hemsky than just Schenn.
but that's just me.
So you would trade Eberle for Hemsky then?

To say Schenn = Brule is akin to saying Eberle = Brule.

What has Schenn done? You mean besides being the best player on the WJT this year and the best player in the WHL by miles this year in his short time there?

Sounds pretty close to Eberle to me.

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So you would trade Eberle for Hemsky then?

To say Schenn = Brule is akin to saying Eberle = Brule.

What has Schenn done? You mean besides being the best player on the WJT this year and the best player in the WHL by miles this year in his short time there?

Sounds pretty close to Eberle to me.
how could I trade Eberle for Hemsky? they play on the same team.
unless it's red vs. blue scrimmage at practice , than ya, I would.

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