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03-08-2011, 02:46 AM
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Enstrom to NYR

What would it take to pry Enstrom out of Atlanta this offseason, perhaps at the draft?

Available:

Anisimov
Del Zotto
All prospects not named Kreider(yes, McIlrath and Thomas are available, along with Grachev, Hagelin, Werek, Bourque, Kundratek, Valentenko, Fasth, etc.)
Girardi
Wolski
Draft picks

What combination of those available pieces would it take? Or would no combination of those parts get it done? If that's the answer, so be it. I'd rather give up trying to get Enstrom here than give up a valuable part of the core: (Staal, Dubinsky, Callahan, Stepan, Boyle, McDonagh, Sauer, Kreider) <-- I see those players as virtually untouchable and would rather hold on to them even though Enstrom is more valuable than most of them when compared individually. Also, it was hard for me to put Girardi on the available list, but the emergence of McD and Sauer have made him expendable for the right price (and Enstrom is an elite offensive d-man in this league and only 25 years old).


My proposal (and I'm not sure this would be enough, which if not, I'm fine with walking away from this deal) would be....

Anisimov, Del Zotto, [choice of prospect from the available list above], 2nd 2011.

I think value-wise, it's close, but Atlanta would be looking for overpayment unless Anisimov really fills a need for them, which I'm not sure he does. Anyway, flame away.

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03-08-2011, 03:59 AM
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Staal + Dubinsky or
Gaborik or
Lundqvist

Any other offer is insulting to Atlanta, that's how valuable Enstrom is

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03-08-2011, 04:03 AM
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Given the way the other threads have gone on Enstrom, i'd say that he's far more important to Atlanta than possibly anyone else on the roster, plus is on a very resonable contract.

basically means a huge overpayment would be needed, so I think you'd be "walking away from that deal", have you considering making a Bogosian trade proposal?

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03-08-2011, 04:19 AM
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Not trolling. Enstrom has been a top 5 defenseman in the NHL this season despite missing some games. He's been in the top 10 for dman points for the last two seasons and prior to this season he hadnt missed a game due to injury.

Plus he is the perfect partner for Byfuglien allowing him to rove and jump in the play while he stays back to cover. He is a true no 1 defenseman that is very good both offensively and defensively.
Atlanta isn't trading him unless they get a elite player in return as a replacement for the elite player Enstrom is.


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Atlanta isn't trading him unless they get a elite player in return as a replacement for the elite player Enstrom is.
pretty much was I was trying to suggest, you have to give to get really and as Atlanta doesnt want or need to trade Enstrom you need to give more.

Although there are some nice players / prospects listed in the original post I dont think there is enough there to get Enstrom. Obviously you dont want to give up a "core part" to get him, but then again he's a core part of the thrashers team so why would they let him go for anything less than an overpayment?

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03-08-2011, 04:44 AM
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You don't get a player like Enström if you are going to take the 7-8 most valuable assets you have off the table. It's very naive to think you will.

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Although there are some nice players / prospects listed in the original post I dont think there is enough there to get Enstrom. Obviously you dont want to give up a "core part" to get him, but then again he's a core part of the thrashers team so why would they let him go for anything less than an overpayment?
Enstrom is more than a core player in Atlanta.
He is the teams first ever franchise defenseman.
It was pretty obvious how much influence he has on the team when he got injured. Especially with regards to the dip in Byfuglien game when Toby was out.

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Enstrom has been one of the best d-men in the league this year and he's still young. You'd have to offer up something similar to what this guy has proposed to pull him away from the Thrashers.

If Enstrom was going to the Rangers, I imagine that Gaborik would be involved in the deal.

Rangers get more depth on the blueline and some cap space. Thrashers probably have to add something like a first rounder and a prospect, but there's no way they're giving up a prospect that's a shoe-in to be a first line forward or a 1st pairing d-man.


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Yeah, this is a trade that simply doesn't happen if we're only looking at the guys you have listed as available. Enstrom is the most important player on the team.

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I would consider trading Gaborik for Enstrom.

Staal+Dubi or Henrik, no but Gaborik I would think about. Enstrom does remind me a little of a poor man's Niklas Lidstrom.

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Now that Sutter quit there are very few stupid GMs out there other than Sather.

Stop with the proposals, stay the course and lets develop our own PP QB

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Enstrom is going to cost more than he's worth and from Atlanta's perspective, it's the only way they give him up.

And rightfully so.

That said, Enstrom is going to cost more than he's worth and from the Rangers perspective, he's not worth it.

Very good player, just not worth parting with a kings ransom for.

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It seems like it would be easier to move the Thrashers out of Atlanta, than it would be moving Enström away from the Thrashers.

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It seems like it would be easier to move the Thrashers out of Atlanta, than it would be moving Enström away from the Thrashers.
Quoted for truth. lol

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What would it take to pry Enstrom out of Atlanta this offseason, perhaps at the draft?....Anisimov, Del Zotto, [choice of prospect from the available list above], 2nd 2011....
Trading for a guy during a career year is a bad when he's out doing is laster years breakout season, is a bad idea. You're going to pay top, top dollar.

On top of that, you're trying to deal Del Zotto who is having a terrible season, sophomore slump, which is going to give you a terrible return. Bad bad idea.

Terrible proposal, terrible.

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Trading for a guy during a career year is a bad when he's out doing is laster years breakout season, is a bad idea. You're going to pay top, top dollar.

On top of that, you're trying to deal Del Zotto who is having a terrible season, sophomore slump, which is going to give you a terrible return. Bad bad idea.

Terrible proposal, terrible.
I'm a Ranger fan, but you are wrong. Enström has been playing great hockey for 3 seasons, but playing in Atlanta it takes a while to start making headlines. The only comparable player in NYR would be Marc Staal.

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Atlanta won't move Enstrom unless a ridiculous, lopsided proposal was offered.

Not even worth exploring since there's literally no reason Atlanta should consider trading him.

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Enstrom, Patrice Cormier and a 3rd for Gaborik & Gilroy's Rights

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Enstrom, Patrice Cormier and a 3rd for Gaborik & Gilroy's Rights
I think this is pretty solid, but leaning in the Rangers favour. A deal based around Enstrom and Gaborik is something that seems reasonable to me, especially if Atlanta hangs on to Bogosian.

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Generally not worth the cost, including Anisimov who will develop further and whom we cannot do without in most scenarios.

Given there is an as - is condition as to the concussion from which he should recover, and regardless there is re-deployment of lots of cap space, I would be open minded to something regarding Gaborik, but its just a thought...

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Now that Sutter quit there are very few stupid GMs out there other than Sather.

Stop with the proposals, stay the course and lets develop our own PP QB
Do you know anything about the Rangers? Have you SEEN any of the trades Sather has made post lock out? Sather has been one of the BETTER Gm's post lock out sans redden.

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MDZ + Wolski + 1st


.....for starters.

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MDZ + Wolski + 1st


.....for starters.
MDZ + Wolski + (Prospect not named Kreider) + NYR 1st '11

Done.

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