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02-27-2011, 11:13 PM
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I don't get this trade:

Not a real center.

Falls to #3 on the RW depth chart. At 4 million, that's absurd.

Didn't help a STL team starved for offense; can he really help ours?

Might not be a rental, but it's a short lease. Not a long term solution.

I guess the strategy is to plug him in at center and see what transpires? I don't know. When the euphoria of Regier actually making a trade subsides, I think we'll see that this trade appears more like a short term fix than a first, bold step towards winning a cup.

And I hope I'm way off base.
I was expecting there to be some backlash about his price.

Fact is, we *****ed about the hesitation to add bodies, the lack of risks taken, and much more under the old regime's confines. Now, we're adding skill into the top-6, for the stretch run AND next year to push weaker pieces out, and we did it while giving up a pick.

Boyes on the books next year seemingly ensures that some version of high-paid trash will have to be moved. It's almost like an expedition of the cleansing, though his deal isn't sparkling...

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02-27-2011, 11:14 PM
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Boyes was great with Boston a few years back. Haven't seen that much of him with the Blues.

I like the trade on paper.

And I love how it always seems to be a player that's never mentioned on these boards
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Boyes' name has been tossed around here for the past couple of years by various posters as a potential acquisition.

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02-27-2011, 11:15 PM
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It's better than the non-goal scoring Tim Connolly...

If Darcy thinks he's got something with this guy, good. The only thing I worry about is if he's another sucktastic deadline pickup is that his salary takes away from the dumptruck full of money they are going to need to sign a big name UFA center/defenseman/whatever. But at least Regier is showing he's willing to be active here with the "shackles off", which I like.
this is the same Darcy who thought he had something with Connolly.

i'll simply take the wait and see approach. i like the deal at the cost of the 2nd... but i dont think it solves any team problems.

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02-27-2011, 11:15 PM
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lets not 4get that Boyes is a first round draft pick 24th over all...that shows something!

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Either another center has been moved and we don't know yet, or Boyes will be packaged for someone else? Hmm...Stastny?

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So am I the only one who sees them putting him back at center? All the St. Louis fans say he's become more of a setup man this season. Well, that's one thing guys like Vanek and Stafford could desperately use.

I'm curious what he can do here. He has been producing points at a decent clip in the last 30 games or so. If he turns into a decent second line center for a few months, it leaves us in much better position going into the summer.

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02-27-2011, 11:17 PM
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A change of scenery may be all the guy needs.

Remember Briere in Phoenix? I'm sure you don't. Now you know him.
I remember that we acquired him the year after his breakout season where he scored over 30 goals. He was 26 at the time; Boyes is two years older and has been regressing since his two breakout seasons.

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02-27-2011, 11:17 PM
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It's better than the non-goal scoring Tim Connolly...

If Darcy thinks he's got something with this guy, good. The only thing I worry about is if he's another sucktastic deadline pickup is that his salary takes away from the dumptruck full of money they are going to need to sign a big name UFA center/defenseman/whatever. But at least Regier is showing he's willing to be active here with the "shackles off", which I like.
the ufa market next year is so thin the best move is to make moves now insteading of saying "aw crap" when they missed out on Sergei Gonchar or Colby Armstrong ca. 2010

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02-27-2011, 11:18 PM
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this is the same Darcy who thought he had something with Connolly.

i'll simply take the wait and see approach. i like the deal at the cost of the 2nd... but i dont think it solves any team problems.
I think Connolly's last deal was Darcy more admitting that there was no way Buffalo was luring or trading for a quality center. This on the other hand seems to be a departure in philosophy. Willing to roll the dice on potential. And if he doesn't work out? Send him down to Portland.

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02-27-2011, 11:18 PM
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So am I the only one who sees them putting him back at center? All the St. Louis fans say he's become more of a setup man this season. Well, that's one thing guys like Vanek and Stafford could desperately use.

I'm curious what he can do here. He has been producing points at a decent clip in the last 30 games or so. If he turns into a decent second line center for a few months, it leaves us in much better position going into the summer.
I don't know if he can handle the defensive responsibilities at center. It's a good buy low deal and a gamble, which is good enough for me, but I'm not expecting 70 points from him anytime soon.

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lets not 4get that Boyes is a first round draft pick 24th over all...that shows something!
That doesn't show much at all actually.

If he can find his scoring touch again that would be awesome. Hopefully the change works out and I love that he's signed through next year.

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lets not 4get that Boyes is a first round draft pick 24th over all...that shows something!
Dennis Persson.

Theory disproved.

Not that I'm not excited but I'd rather go on stats and scout reports than a semi-arbitrary selection number.

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Boyes on the books next year seemingly ensures that some version of high-paid trash will have to be moved. It's almost like an expedition of the cleansing, though his deal isn't sparkling...
$4MM for a guy who scored 40+ once is a reasonable contract. The Oilers dumped $7MM at Vanek for the same thing. Worst case, Boyes doesn't work out that well and he's gone after next season anyways. Best case, he figures out how to light the lamp again and the Sabres have 3 dangerous top 6 forwards with decent size.

Low risk, potentially high reward.

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which would essentially be the same as signing Connolly to a 1 yr extension for 4 million per.

look i like the deal. low cost, potentially high return... but Sabres fans need to realize that Boyes is a goal scoring Tim Connolly
Boyes has more impressive offensive numbers than Connolly regardless of how soft posters think they both are. His goal scoring dwarfs Connolly's

Boyes ----> 145 goals in 472 games (.31 career goals per game)
Connolly --> 113 goals in 606 games (.19 career goals per game)

The Bizarre.

I'm watching/scouting Boyes right now on the Center Ice replay of today's Blues/FLames game.

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02-27-2011, 11:20 PM
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I think Connolly's last deal was Darcy more admitting that there was no way Buffalo was luring or trading for a quality center. This on the other hand seems to be a departure in philosophy. Willing to roll the dice on potential. And if he doesn't work out? Send him down to Portland.
I don't think it's as much of a gamble as what you bolded. I think at worst you get a guy doing what Connolly does for around the same cap hit. If that's worst case scenario, it leaves a little room for improvement.

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$4MM for a guy who scored 40+ once is a reasonable contract. The Oilers dumped $7MM at Vanek for the same thing. Worst case, Boyes doesn't work out that well and he's gone after next season anyways. Best case, he figures out how to light the lamp again and the Sabres have 3 dangerous top 6 forwards with decent size.

Low risk, potentially high reward
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That's what I take out of it most. Brad Boyes on the books next year isn't crippling or handicapping to us, nor was the price paid an overly steep one.

I dig it.

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02-27-2011, 11:21 PM
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Either another center has been moved and we don't know yet, or Boyes will be packaged for someone else? Hmm...Stastny?
:: shifty eyes ::

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$4MM for a guy who scored 40+ once is a reasonable contract. The Oilers dumped $7MM at Vanek for the same thing. Worst case, Boyes doesn't work out that well and he's gone after next season anyways. Best case, he figures out how to light the lamp again and the Sabres have 3 dangerous top 6 forwards with decent size.

Low risk, potentially high reward.
Agreed, it's not like the Sabres are getting locked into a 5 year deal here. One more year at 4 million. See what he can do, if he doesn't perform, let him walk.

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this is the same Darcy who thought he had something with Connolly.

i'll simply take the wait and see approach. i like the deal at the cost of the 2nd... but i dont think it solves any team problems.
Seldom will one deadline player solve any team problem.

What it does do is add scoring and offensive talent to the top-6. I'd say that's addressing a team problem, and doing so at a low price IMO

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For what it's worth, consensus on the main boards seems to be that for a 2nd rounder, it's a good move and worthwhile gamble. Even in the worst case scenario, you didn't give up much and he's on the books for a year. If it works out and regains some of his form, you have time to resign him. I'm willing to give it a year trial.

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I just watched all of the Boyes goal highlights on NHL.com.

He doesn't use a lot of his body on most of them but he does impressively on one.

More importantly, he seems to have a real knack for picking up scraps and popping them in the net. That could really help us.

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02-27-2011, 11:23 PM
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Boyes has more impressive offensive numbers than Connolly regardless of how soft posters think they both are. His goal scoring dwarfs Connolly's

Boyes ----> 145 goals in 472 games (.31 career goals per game)
Connolly --> 113 goals in 606 games (.19 career goals per game)


The Bizarre.

I'm watching/scouting Boyes right now on the Center Ice replay of today's Blues/FLames game.
what was the point of that? I acknowledged that he WAS more of a goal scorer...

currently, he has two more goals then the sniper known as Jochen Hecht.

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what was the point of that? I acknowledged that he WAS more of a goal scorer...

currently, he has two more goals then the sniper known as Jochen Hecht.
I see now

The angle you're working is he is a washed up 28yr old.

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what was the point of that? I acknowledged that he WAS more of a goal scorer...

currently, he has two more goals then the sniper known as Jochen Hecht.
He also has 15 more points.

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