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02-27-2011, 11:27 PM
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lets not 4get that Boyes is a first round draft pick 24th over all...that shows something!
And Connolly went 5th overall. Point?

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I did not expect this. Great news.

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02-27-2011, 11:28 PM
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It's not done yet!
Since you 'broke' this trade in the other thread before there was any official word, I'll bite: what's not done yet?

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02-27-2011, 11:29 PM
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http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...-st-louis.html

Darcy:

"Itís not just the goals," Regier said. "I certainly think the goals were there and theyíve dropped off, but itís also his ability to make plays, his ability to play in and around the net. Heís got very good hands. He sees the ice well, can make plays, and I think thatís probably the shift you see in him statistically this year is probably gone from more goals on one end to setting the goals up on the other side.

"Weíll be happy to take whether heís scoring the goals or contributing on the offense of someone else scoring the goals. Either one works fine."

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02-27-2011, 11:30 PM
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Buffalo GM Darcy Regier said the Sabres aren't concered about Boyes' lack of scoring the past two seasons.


"Itís not just the goals," Regier told the Buffalo News. "I certainly think the goals were there and theyíve dropped off, but itís also his ability to make plays, his ability to play in and around the net. Heís got very good hands. He sees the ice well, can make plays, and I think thatís probably the shift you see in him statistically this year is probably gone from more goals on one end to setting the goals up on the other side. Weíll be happy to take whether heís scoring the goals or contributing on the offense of someone else scoring the goals. Either one works fine."


Regier added that the Sabres targeted Boyes.


He was one of a few players that weíve talked about," Regier said. "We were looking for someone that could contribute for the balance of this season and a minimum next season, and given the marketplace at the deadline, he was one of the guys we were looking at."

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02-27-2011, 11:31 PM
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Darcy finally made things right from that three way trade in 2004.

To Boston: Brad Boyes
To San Jose: Andy Delmore, Curtis Brown
To Buffalo: Jeff Jillson

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"For us, heís someone that if he can slide into our forward group and contribute offensively, then thatís what weíre looking for," Sabres General Manager Darcy Regier said by phone. "He was one of a few players that weíve talked about. We were looking for someone that could contribute for the balance of this season and a minimum next season, and given the marketplace at the deadline, he was one of the guys we were looking at."

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02-27-2011, 11:33 PM
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Since you 'broke' this trade in the other thread before there was any official word, I'll bite: what's not done yet?
I'll bite too. Any other news you usually shouldn't tell us?

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02-27-2011, 11:34 PM
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Another way to look at this, is his numbers are similar to Weiss, but a lot less given up in assets than Weiss would have been.

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Watching him tonight he is a RW.

So what are we looking at? (Barring more moves)


Vanek/Hecht/Boyes -his playing making with Vanek could be nice to watch
Ennis/Connolly/Stafford or Pommer
Gerbe/Goose/Stafford or Pommer

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02-27-2011, 11:35 PM
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I remember that we acquired him the year after his breakout season where he scored over 30 goals. He was 26 at the time; Boyes is two years older and has been regressing since his two breakout seasons.
Wrong. We acquired him two years after that season. He went something like -25 in his last year with Phoenix. Hence the reason NOBODY put in a waiver claim for him, besides the Sabres.

Someone sounds a bit too negative over an acquisition where we gave up a 2nd rounder for someone who put up 65+ points in consecutive years with the ST LOUIS BLUES, of all teams.

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02-27-2011, 11:36 PM
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Pts per game post lockout
Boyes .71
Connolly .86

pts per game last 2 seasons (this season+last year)

Boyes = .58
Connolly = .76

Boyes is a healthy Connolly

it's a good trade on a cost basis... and hopefully we can start scoring more then 2 goals a game... but this deal is NOT a game changer

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makes you wonder if thats it for deals.. still think they need to ship out one of our core guys and bring in a TOP tier player, one who is scoring a lot now not 3 years ago.

bringing boyes in is GREAT but i don't think hes going to be pushing this team that much closer to success alone.

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02-27-2011, 11:38 PM
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Watching him tonight he is a RW.

So what are we looking at? (Barring more moves)


Vanek/Hecht/Boyes -his playing making with Vanek could be nice to watch
Ennis/Connolly/Stafford or Pommer
Gerbe/Goose/Stafford or Pommer
Interesting. If they don't put Boyes back at center (perhaps he can't handle it defensively anymore), I wonder if they're looking to move Stafford. We already have two top six RWers, and Staff's trade value will likely never be higher.

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02-27-2011, 11:39 PM
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Watching him tonight he is a RW.

So what are we looking at? (Barring more moves)


Vanek/Hecht/Boyes -his playing making with Vanek could be nice to watch
Ennis/Connolly/Stafford or Pommer
Gerbe/Goose/Stafford or Pommer
I'd guess that he's tried out at center and if it doesn't work he goes back to right wing. The Blues have better center depth than we do, with MacDonald, Backes, Steen, Berglund and Oshie all being able to play center, making it unnecessary for Boyes to have to play there. My guess would be for the top 6:

Vanek-Boyes-Pominville
Ennis-Connolly-Stafford

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02-27-2011, 11:41 PM
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but this deal is NOT a game changer
I don't think anyone is trying to argue that it is.

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Watching him tonight he is a RW.

So what are we looking at? (Barring more moves)


Vanek/Hecht/Boyes -his playing making with Vanek could be nice to watch
Ennis/Connolly/Stafford or Pommer
Gerbe/Goose/Stafford or Pommer
I like those lines.

Hopefully Stafford or Pominville is on the way out for another center if Boyes is playing RW.

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Pts per game post lockout
Boyes .71
Connolly .86

pts per game last 2 seasons (this season+last year)

Boyes = .58
Connolly = .76

Boyes is a healthy Connolly

it's a good trade on a cost basis... and hopefully we can start scoring more then 2 goals a game... but this deal is NOT a game changer
Agreed. It's definitely a good pick up for a second round pick for the hopes he can play like he has in 2011, or from 2007-2009. But this move alone isn't going to make a drastic difference by itself, but a good piece to the puzzle nonetheless.

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makes you wonder if thats it for deals.. still think they need to ship out one of our core guys and bring in a TOP tier player, one who is scoring a lot now not 3 years ago.

bringing boyes in is GREAT but i don't think hes going to be pushing this team that much closer to success alone.
It's a low-risk, high-reward trade because we didn't give up a roster player or a prospect. We get production from Boyes or utilize him as an asset in another form.

I really see ZERO harm, NO negatives regarding this trade.

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I'd guess that he's tried out at center and if it doesn't work he goes back to right wing. The Blues have better center depth than we do, with MacDonald, Backes, Steen, Berglund and Oshie all being able to play center. My guess would be for the top 6:

Vanek-Boyes-Pominville
Ennis-Connolly-Stafford
If he can still play center (defensive responsibilities questioned earlier), I'd be excited. His playmaking could be huge for Vanek.

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I really see ZERO harm, NO negatives regarding this trade.
Not a real big fan of his cap hit next year...but I'm still a fan of the move.

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Pts per game post lockout
Boyes .71
Connolly .86

pts per game last 2 seasons (this season+last year)

Boyes = .58
Connolly = .76

Boyes is a healthy Connolly

it's a good trade on a cost basis... and hopefully we can start scoring more then 2 goals a game... but this deal is NOT a game changer
He has scored 43 goals in one season, tho. I'm in the wait and see boat as well, but that stat alone makes me a bit excited about the possibilities, even if they are a unlikely. You never know, he could find some good chemistry.

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If he can still play center (defensive responsibilities questioned earlier), I'd be excited. His playmaking could be huge for Vanek.
Agreed big time. I know it's a question mark, but I think we're more likely to try and find an answer to the question by trying him at center than leaving it unanswered. Playing with Pominville would certainly help defensively.

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So he plays center and LW?? So I guess the jury is still out on Connolly... It gives us more options in the top 6, but Id say its safe to say that even if Connolly isnt moved by 3PM, he wont be resigned now that we could possible have Roy and Boyes as our 1A/1B centers both making 4 mill next year (our version of 1A/1B)
I don't see Connolly going anywhere until the offseason. The Sabres are still too thin at center to deal him unless they can pick up another top 6 center.

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