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02-28-2011, 07:57 PM
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I'm not going to comment if It was a mistake for the Island. But thank you Garth Snow and the Islanders for Luke Schenn.
Not that it wasn't a good move or anything but I'd think Leaf fans would still be pretty damn happy with Colin Wilson. It's not like you swapped MA Poulliot for Parise here.

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02-28-2011, 08:06 PM
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Montreal traded down with San Jose to grab Fischer and picked Mathieu Carle in the 2nd round.

Passing on Claude Giroux and Patrik Berglund in the process.

Yikes...

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02-28-2011, 08:52 PM
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I can't believe that this hasn't been brought up yet, but tampa and atlanta shuffling draft picks in 1999 to the canucks look pretty stupid now....

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Yeah, the Leafs fans are homers.
Quite ironic, seeing how you isle's fans are talking out of your ass:

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Hamonic already has a far better two-way game than Schenn will ever have.
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This thread is trades that backfired. I think to a man, all Islander fans will say that trading down from 5 did not backfire for us. The 2008 draft is maybe one of the best one's the Islanders have had in over 20 years.

Enjoy Schenn and we will savor Bailey, Hamonic, Poulin, Matt Martin, etc,
Yep, enjoy your players, and we'll enjoy ours. Hopefully 1 of them can have the impact Schenn has for our team.

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02-28-2011, 08:56 PM
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Florida traded down and got Horton 3rd overall, MAF is a Cup winning goalie and Horton plays for Boston. I don't know who Florida got for Horton but they've probably been waived or released by now.
To respond to your question, it was Dennis Wideman (who got traded today) and a 3rd round pick in this years draft.

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02-28-2011, 09:26 PM
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To respond to your question, it was Dennis Wideman (who got traded today) and a 3rd round pick in this years draft.
Not to mention, what was probably the deal breaker, the first round pick...

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02-28-2011, 10:31 PM
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Quite ironic, seeing how you isle's fans are talking out of your ass:





Yep, enjoy your players, and we'll enjoy ours. Hopefully 1 of them can have the impact Schenn has for our team.
Yes, Schenn has done well for the Leafs in the playoffs the past several years.

At least you got to enjoy the benefits of a high draft pick last year and this year.

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02-28-2011, 10:36 PM
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To respond to your question, it was Dennis Wideman (who got traded today) and a 3rd round pick in this years draft.
So drafting Nathan Horton 3rd overall turned into a 3rd round pick and a low-level prospect years later. Wow

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Quite ironic, seeing how you isle's fans are talking out of your ass:

Yep, enjoy your players, and we'll enjoy ours. Hopefully 1 of them can have the impact Schenn has for our team.
Well looking at the Isles now Harmonic seems to be their #1 dman (great late season pool pickup!), so I'd imagine that combined with an overall package with 3 more players they should do well enough for themselves. Like I said before, it's not like this is a Parise for Pouliot and (?) trade.

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03-01-2011, 07:45 AM
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Well looking at the Isles now Harmonic seems to be their #1 dman (great late season pool pickup!), so I'd imagine that combined with an overall package with 3 more players they should do well enough for themselves. Like I said before, it's not like this is a Parise for Pouliot and (?) trade.
Nobody is saying that this was a horrible deal. The Isles certainly did better than if they'd taken Filatov. Acting like Hamonic is better than Schenn is a bit ridiculous though.

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03-01-2011, 08:24 AM
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Yes, Schenn has done well for the Leafs in the playoffs the past several years.

At least you got to enjoy the benefits of a high draft pick last year and this year.
LOL ...I'd say every bit as good as the players you drafted, but, at least Schenn is in a chase for a PO spot this season (though they will likely miss by 1 point) while you're in a chase for yet another 1st overall pick.

you are an isles fan and are trying to bash a Leafs trade... is your memory so Short you forgot all the wonderful trades Milbury made.

summary:
Bertuzzi and Mccabe for Linden
Chara and 2nd overall pick (Spezza) for Yashin
Redden for Berard
Berard for Potvin
Luongo and Jokien for Parrish and Kvasha
Peca for York

and that was ONLY the Milbury deals ...shake your head now.

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I found a better and more complete summary

Ziggy Palffy--traded for Jokinen
Todd Bertuzzi--traded for Linden
Roberto Luongo--traded for Kvasha and Parrish
Bryan McCabe--traded for Linden
Zdeno Chara---traded for Yashin
Jason Spezza---traded for Yashin
Wade Redden--traded for Berard
Oli Jokinen--trdaed for Kvasha and Parrish
Bryan Smolinski--traded for Jokinen
Mike Peca--traded for Mike York
Brad Isbister---traded for Niinimaa
Matthieu Biron---traded for draft pick
Bryan Berard---traded for F. Potvin
Eric Brewer--traded for Hamrlik
Taylor Pyatt--traded for Peca
Tim Connoly--traded for Peca
Tommy Salo--for Mats Lindgren
Dick Tarnstrom---waived, plucked by Pittsburgh.
Mattias Timander--traded to Flyers for draft pick.
Raffi Torres---traded for Niinimaa
Kevin Weekes---traded to Lightning for draft pick


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03-01-2011, 08:41 AM
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LOL ...I'd say every bit as good as the players you drafted, but, at least Schenn is in a chase for a PO spot this season (though they will likely miss by 1 point) while you're in a chase for yet another 1st overall pick.

you are an isles fan and are trying to bash a Leafs trade... is your memory so Short you forgot all the wonderful trades Milbury made.

summary:
Bertuzzi and Mccabe for Linden
Chara and 2nd overall pick (Spezza) for Yashin
Redden for Berard
Berard for Potvin
Luongo and Jokien for Parrish and Kvasha
Peca for York

and that was ONLY the Milbury deals ...shake your head now.

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I found a better and more complete summary

Ziggy Palffy--traded for Jokinen
Todd Bertuzzi--traded for Linden
Roberto Luongo--traded for Kvasha and Parrish
Bryan McCabe--traded for Linden
Zdeno Chara---traded for Yashin
Jason Spezza---traded for Yashin
Wade Redden--traded for Berard
Oli Jokinen--trdaed for Kvasha and Parrish
Bryan Smolinski--traded for Jokinen
Mike Peca--traded for Mike York
Brad Isbister---traded for Niinimaa
Matthieu Biron---traded for draft pick
Bryan Berard---traded for F. Potvin
Eric Brewer--traded for Hamrlik
Taylor Pyatt--traded for Peca
Tim Connoly--traded for Peca
Tommy Salo--for Mats Lindgren
Dick Tarnstrom---waived, plucked by Pittsburgh.
Mattias Timander--traded to Flyers for draft pick.
Raffi Torres---traded for Niinimaa
Kevin Weekes---traded to Lightning for draft pick

But hes not our current GM... yours on the otherhand..

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This thread proves how much HF is lacking in reading comprehension.

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But hes not our current GM... yours on the otherhand..
has restocked an empty cupboard with high quality young players.
overall, leafs fans couldnt be happier.

Nobody expected us to suck as much as we did last season, and Seguin may become something, but, Kessel is a solid young sniper.

...this years draft?? who knows what player(s) will turn out in the end. Burke's drafting has been very solid also.

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This thread proves how much HF is lacking in reading comprehension.
your post is much more OT than the rest

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all things being equal i would rather have wilson than bailey. i doubt very much else would change tho, because that would just be wilson/hamonic/poulin/martin/petrov. buuuuut they didnt and drafted a guy thought to be going around 17 or so at 9.

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03-01-2011, 10:32 AM
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Trading down to grab David Fischer when Giroux and Stewart, Chris were available.

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03-01-2011, 10:47 AM
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Your good videos are one where he starts punching a guy who hasn't even dropped his gloves but still can't manage to land anything and another one that's a pretty rough boarding call from junior?
and he lost to Tyler Kennedy who Schenn manhandled in his rookie year (I think it was Schenn's rookie year?).

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Nobody is saying that this was a horrible deal. The Isles certainly did better than if they'd taken Filatov. Acting like Hamonic is better than Schenn is a bit ridiculous though.
No one is saying Hamonic is better than Schenn. On the other hand, you may want to consider why this comparison is even being made in a thread titled "Trading down that backfired".

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Just curious, didn't the Blues exchange picks with the Devils during Parise's draft? Was that already exchanged beforehand or did NJ see Parise was available and decide to do it that year instead of the next? (Stevens debacle)
Part of the Stevens tampering compensation was that the Devils had a five year window (1999-2003) to take a Blues first rounder and swap first rounders. The Blues had a one time veto (don't know if it was ever used) and the Devils couldn't exercise both options in consecutive years.

We took the Blues first rounder in 2001, so we knew that they couldn't use the option to swap picks at the 2002 Draft. So we knew going into the 2002-03 season that it was the last chance for the Devils to swap picks. So after the Stanley Cup Finals, we knew we'd be swapping #30 to St. Louis for #22.

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I believe that was Phoenix's plan when they traded the 21st pick to Edmonton in 2007. Edmonton took Riley Nash, who I think was rumored to be the guy Phoenix wanted at 30.

In the end though, I guess it only backfired on Carolina.
Meh he's been decent for us this season in the AHL. Will probably make a good 3rd liner long term. Maybe not worth the 2nd we gave up for him (mostly because of how well the Canes have drafted in that round of late) but he's probably at most another year or two off.

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on behalf of leaf nation " mr.snow we thank you"
I've said this all along, but others disagree......

In the same draft the Isles landed Travis Hamonic (who at the time, was thought to be a poor man's Schenn). My opinion is that they felt they could get a shut-down D far later in the draft.

What they ended up with is clearly far more than a shut-down D man and a player who is arguably playing at a higher-level than Schenn is today.

Hamonic certainly has the nod by a wide margin on the Offensive side.

Defensively, I'd still give the nod to Schenn, but let's get real... Schenn has 2 years of NHL experience.... Hamonic has 2 months.


Let's not get too crazy about thanking Garth Snow when, after all, it was the trade back that allowed them to draft the likes of:

Josh Bailey
Travis Hamonic
Kiril Petrov


Even if Baily and Petrov somehow never pan out, the Isles still may very well have landed the best player of the bunch (and that includes those passed over in Schenn, Filatov, and possibly even Colin Wilson).

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No one is saying Hamonic is better than Schenn. On the other hand, you may want to consider why this comparison is even being made in a thread titled "Trading down that backfired".
I am.




In terms of the backfiring part, it certainly has nothing to do with Toronto or Schenn, but rather has to do with the Isles missing out on Colin Wilson who was their supposed target and ending up with Josh Bailey.

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Montreal traded down with San Jose to grab Fischer and picked Mathieu Carle in the 2nd round.

Passing on Claude Giroux and Patrik Berglund in the process.

Yikes...
Doesn't work. Habs wanted Fischer.

However in recent memory I don't remember the Habs making a trade that backfired, at least in the first round.

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No one is saying Hamonic is better than Schenn. On the other hand, you may want to consider why this comparison is even being made in a thread titled "Trading down that backfired".
It shouldn't be in this thread, because the Isles haven't really lost out by trading down. They got what they wanted and the Leafs definitely got what they wanted, so its a win/win at this point more or less.

With that said, my post was really only directed at the (1) Isles fan who is saying that Hamonic is better. That's all.

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