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LAK - Justin Williams signs new 4-year contract, $14.6M

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02-28-2011, 11:43 AM
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Bad deal for Lombardi... Williams is having the classic contract-year, and with his injury history, they'll problably regret this one.
Still remembering to breathe, I see.

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02-28-2011, 11:44 AM
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I dont understand it anyway.

Of course Williams is made of glass, fact, but do people think he would have signed a two year deal with this cap hit ? Of course not, some unrealistic responses in this topic.

...and this is a good example.
Excuse me? I think the deal is fine. What I was replying to was that I understand that people think he is fragile but he has shown otherwise this year.


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02-28-2011, 11:45 AM
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I don't disagree.

I'm saying you can afford to lose him rather than signing a bad deal.


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That's the thing, the Kings really couldn't afford to lose him. The team is in need of scoring up front, JW's departure would have opened yet another hole to fill. Maybe the last year of the K ends up being a disappointment, but for now it was needed and beneficial.

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What do you think would have been a good deal ? Honest question.
Honestly?

I wouldn't sign him beyond 2 years. I think that's where the deal falls down. On the free market (ie at UFA time, not as an extension) I'd probably even go up to 4.5 on a 2 year contract, though I think that's stretching it a bit. A good deal would be 3.25-.3.75 for 2 years.

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No NTC for Williams on this deal, by the way.

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Excuse me? I think the deal is fine. What I was replying to was that I understand that people think he is fragile but he has shown otherwise this year. W T F kind of B. S. are you implying?
I think you misunderstood me or I was very unclear.

I actually agreed with you.


I was responding to that person who said he was injury prone and quoted your post because you said he was healthy all year.

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And while I have your attention, get a name change.
Relax.

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02-28-2011, 11:50 AM
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I think you misunderstood me or I was very unclear.

I actually agreed with you.


I was responding to that person who said he was injury prone and quoted your post because you said he was healthy all year.

Odd because it looked like you completely misunderstood my post. I retract the name change recommendation and agree with your relax comment.

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02-28-2011, 11:51 AM
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Honestly?

I wouldn't sign him beyond 2 years. I think that's where the deal falls down. On the free market (ie at UFA time, not as an extension) I'd probably even go up to 4.5 on a 2 year contract, though I think that's stretching it a bit. A good deal would be 3.25-.3.75 for 2 years.
I'm sorry but this is what I mean.

I also want to buy a rolex for $100. His current cap hit is $3.5M or so.

Be realistic.

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02-28-2011, 11:54 AM
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its crap you get paid that much for being the biggest diver in the league

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I'm sorry but this is what I mean.

I also want to buy a rolex for $100.

Be realistic.
Yes, I think LA agreed to a longer contract and Williams agreed to keep the asking price reasonable. It's a good contract for both sides and now LA can focus on LW.

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its crap you get paid that much for being the biggest diver in the league
He does more for LA than your GM does for TO

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its crap you get paid that much for being the biggest diver in the league
You truly have no idea what you're talking about

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Who could the Kings have acquired via trade or free agency that would've A) been cheaper or B) produced more than Williams?
Penner or Hemsky for just a slight bit more money?

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For those that haven't been watching, Justin Williams has been our best forward ALL season long. Even if he gets hurt often he still deserves the contract. He's a Stanley Cup champion, plays harder all the time and leads by example. Great ****ing signing by Lombardi.

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Penner or Hemsky for just a slight bit more money?
but not cheap asset wise.

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Penner or Hemsky for just a slight bit more money?
Williams is cheaper, indefinitely in the future, and you don't have to give up assets for him. None of his injuries are chronic. They were all isolated incidents which he has recovered from. The guy has been playing great for LA and is a cemented top 6 winger who puts up comparable numbers.

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its crap you get paid that much for being the biggest diver in the league
he's not even the biggest diver on LA

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I'm sorry but this is what I mean.

I also want to buy a rolex for $100. His current cap hit is $3.5M or so.

Be realistic.
He's played 2 full NHL seasons in 11 years and is on pace for a third in a contract year.

Wooo. Mr. Reliable.

You didn't have to re-sign him is what I'm saying. Let someone else make that mistake.

It's a bad deal because he's only going to play 1/2 - 2/3s of it and when he's out that will hurt the team's chemistry and balance (assuming he's a big part of it).

Whatever though. As I said, we'll see in a couple years. I think for Lombardi (as opposed to LA) it's a good signing, because if he doesn't go deep in the playoffs in the next year or two he'll be out on his ass anyway.

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Too long a term.

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but not cheap asset wise.
Nope. Probably not. And no need to ruin another thread with ridiculous trade proposals.

What I don't get is all the Kings posters saying "Hes not injury prone! They were freak injuries!"
2000-2001 Flyers 63
2001-2002 Flyers 75
2002-2003 Flyers 41
2003-2004 Flyers 47
2003-2004 Hurricanes 32
2005-2006 Hurricanes 82
2006-2007 Hurricanes 82
2007-2008 Hurricanes 37
2008-2009 Hurricanes 32
2008-2009 Kings 12
2009-2010 Kings 49
2010-2011 Kings 62

So outside of his first two years, 2005-2007 with the Canes, and this year, hes had magical freak injuries? And that doesn't speak at all to his durability? No. Sorry. Justin Williams is the epitome of an injury prone player. When he's healthy he's a great asset, but I'd bet the farm that this contract ends up biting the Kings in the ass.
Someone mentioned he doesn't have a NTC. Who cares? When he gets injured again is that going to help you move him and his contract?

Honestly, I hope the best for the guy, but 4 years with his track record? Thats absurd.

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This is a great signing...anyone who disagrees hasnt been watching the kings

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Nope. Probably not. And no need to ruin another thread with ridiculous trade proposals.

What I don't get is all the Kings posters saying "Hes not injury prone! They were freak injuries!"
2000-2001 Flyers 63
2001-2002 Flyers 75
2002-2003 Flyers 41
2003-2004 Flyers 47
2003-2004 Hurricanes 32
2005-2006 Hurricanes 82
2006-2007 Hurricanes 82
2007-2008 Hurricanes 37
2008-2009 Hurricanes 32
2008-2009 Kings 12
2009-2010 Kings 49
2010-2011 Kings 62

So outside of his first two years, 2005-2007 with the Canes, and this year, hes had magical freak injuries? And that doesn't speak at all to his durability? No. Sorry. Justin Williams is the epitome of an injury prone player. When he's healthy he's a great asset, but I'd bet the farm that this contract ends up biting the Kings in the ass.
Someone mentioned he doesn't have a NTC. Who cares? When he gets injured again is that going to help you move him and his contract?

Honestly, I hope the best for the guy, but 4 years with his track record? Thats absurd.
I think they've somewhat offset his injury proneness by signing him to a good caphit, He'd have got offers of 4-4.5 in the summer and probably at least 3 years to IMO.

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Nope. Probably not. And no need to ruin another thread with ridiculous trade proposals.

What I don't get is all the Kings posters saying "Hes not injury prone! They were freak injuries!"
2000-2001 Flyers 63
2001-2002 Flyers 75
2002-2003 Flyers 41
2003-2004 Flyers 47
2003-2004 Hurricanes 32
2005-2006 Hurricanes 82
2006-2007 Hurricanes 82
2007-2008 Hurricanes 37
2008-2009 Hurricanes 32
2008-2009 Kings 12
2009-2010 Kings 49
2010-2011 Kings 62

So outside of his first two years, 2005-2007 with the Canes, and this year, hes had magical freak injuries? And that doesn't speak at all to his durability? No. Sorry. Justin Williams is the epitome of an injury prone player. When he's healthy he's a great asset, but I'd bet the farm that this contract ends up biting the Kings in the ass.
Someone mentioned he doesn't have a NTC. Who cares? When he gets injured again is that going to help you move him and his contract?

Honestly, I hope the best for the guy, but 4 years with his track record? Thats absurd.
You didn't refute the argument, you just showed the numbers that nobody you are arguing with is refuting. We know he has been out many games in the past, we are arguing that he is one of the unluckiest players in the league and had a lot of fluke injuries. He doesn't have a bum knee or a nagging shoulder injury, he had a torn ACL, a sprained knee, a sprained shoulder, a couple of broken hands, and a broken leg... He's had heavy duty this season, has put up the numbers, and is on pace for 82 games, he is a steal of a cheap solution and costs no assets, makes no sense for LA to let him walk.

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You didn't refute the argument, you just showed the numbers that nobody you are arguing with is refuting. We know he has been out many games in the past, we are arguing that he is one of the unluckiest players in the league and had a lot of fluke injuries. He doesn't have a bum knee or a nagging shoulder injury, he had a torn ACL, a couple of broken hands, and a broken leg...
No, he doesn't have any of those. What he does have, is a penitence for long term injury.

Throw semantics in any way you'd like, but he's injury prone. In fact, one of the most injury prone players in the league.

Again, best of luck to him. He's an exciting player to watch and I'd never wish injuries on anyone (outside of maybe Avery and a couple others), but I'm expecting him to get injured again, as should the rest of you.

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Nope. Probably not. And no need to ruin another thread with ridiculous trade proposals.

What I don't get is all the Kings posters saying "Hes not injury prone! They were freak injuries!"
2000-2001 Flyers 63
2001-2002 Flyers 75
2002-2003 Flyers 41
2003-2004 Flyers 47
2003-2004 Hurricanes 32
2005-2006 Hurricanes 82
2006-2007 Hurricanes 82
2007-2008 Hurricanes 37
2008-2009 Hurricanes 32
2008-2009 Kings 12
2009-2010 Kings 49
2010-2011 Kings 62

So outside of his first two years, 2005-2007 with the Canes, and this year, hes had magical freak injuries? And that doesn't speak at all to his durability? No. Sorry. Justin Williams is the epitome of an injury prone player. When he's healthy he's a great asset, but I'd bet the farm that this contract ends up biting the Kings in the ass.
Someone mentioned he doesn't have a NTC. Who cares? When he gets injured again is that going to help you move him and his contract?

Honestly, I hope the best for the guy, but 4 years with his track record? Thats absurd.
03-04 as well. You have to combine the Flyers and Hurricanes numbers (79 games)

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