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03-02-2011, 08:01 AM
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If Kadri 2 years ago was in this draft he would be top 5 maybe top 3 or more.

His progression has been on schedule, don't let the Toronto media circus cloud your judgement without watching this kid play. He has gotten better since being drafted not worse and there was no serious talk of him being NHL ready out of the gate.

Media expectation and real expectations are different. I believe one of the major reasons he is even in the AHL is to get those media and fan expectations under control so they don't ruin his development. He had some work to do with size, balance and defensive play but so do 99% of all drafted kids.

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If Kadri 2 years ago was in this draft he would be top 5 maybe top 3 or more.

His progression has been on schedule, don't let the Toronto media circus cloud your judgement without watching this kid play. He has gotten better since being drafted not worse and there was no serious talk of him being NHL ready out of the gate.

Media expectation and real expectations are different. I believe one of the major reasons he is even in the AHL is to get those media and fan expectations under control so they don't ruin his development. He had some work to do with size, balance and defensive play but so do 99% of all drafted kids.
Completely agree. Expectations for this kid have been completely warped.
I thought he looked good in camp and pre-season, and even though his points werent there, did well during his call-up. He turns the puck over a couple of times, and it becomes a huge issue.

I saw him quite a bit in junior and what I will say, is that I really think he could have put up better numbers last year in London, and also, with the Marlies. It looks to me like is working on his all round game and trying to correct his weaknesses. He is thinking more than re-acting, at times. This should help him down the road.

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I don't see what MPS has done to pass Kadri. He's having a really lackluster rookie season getting plenty of playing time in Edmonton. Kadri is tearing up the AHL and could end up MVP of the Calder Cup (knock on wood)
I like MPS' game.

He isn't a sniper, his future is as a 3 zone forward. If you were looking at the Leafs, I'd say Kulemin type of player with more upside.

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He'd have to get to the top 3 to get Landeskog, he could very well go 1st overall at this point.
I agree with this, Landeskog is a long shot at this point. Trading into the top 10 is one thing, top 3 is a whole different story. Given the overall lack of depth in this draft comapred to past years, i just cant see teams trading down when landeskog is still on the board, unless they like another player only a couple spots back.

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I like MPS' game.

He isn't a sniper, his future is as a 3 zone forward. If you were looking at the Leafs, I'd say Kulemin type of player with more upside.
MPS doesn't really use his size to initiate contact and play physical at all. A more complete/much better Stalberg who is smarter and has a better finish IMO.

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Toronto Media puts way too much pressure on him

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back to the original idea of this thread (and sorry for the intrusion)

i was looking at some past draft trades and fixated on this:
2009 - Isles traded the 16, 26, 37, 62 & 77 FOR 12, 92 & 181


as of now, one of boston/philly is comparable to 26. Leafs 2nd is probably comparable to the 37. Flyers 3rd is 89 right now, but lets equate it to 77 for ease. The remaining leafs 1st likely isnt worth 16+62, but this draft is weaker anyways.


now come the IFs. IF nashville misses the playoffs (so 10-14 range pick), and IF ottawa is willing to move that pick, do you think any of the following proposals would work?

1. (NYI-2009 model)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd, PHI 3rd for NSH 1st, OTT 4th, OTT 7th

2. (just the first coming back)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd for NSH 1st

3. (tweaking with 3rds, part 1)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd for NSH 1st, Ott 3rd

4. (tweaking with 3rds, part 2)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd, PHI 3rd for NSH 1st, Ott 3rd

5. (tweaking with 3rds, part 3)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd, PHI 3rd for NSH 1st, Ott 4th


do any of those seem fair? Are the NYI trades just a bad template for this draft? Does making this type of trade with Ottawa just add too much risk?

Choose a variation that seems the most fair, or propose one that seems more fair in the eyes of the leafs.

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whats more realistic, and IMO favourable, would be to attach lower picks to each of the firsts to move both of them up into the late to mid-teens and get Bartschi and Rattie, both have chemistry with each other and are teammates of Ross.

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back to the original idea of this thread (and sorry for the intrusion)

3. (tweaking with 3rds, part 1)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd for NSH 1st, Ott 3rd
I actually don't think Burke will package the picks to move up in the draft, but rather trade for a roster player that can have an immediate impact. I also don't think there is much difference after the top 8ish in this draft, and wouldn't bother trading up.

That being said, in any other draft the third option is what I would be looking for. NYI overpaid for that 12th pick, IMO.

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MPS doesn't really use his size to initiate contact and play physical at all. A more complete/much better Stalberg who is smarter and has a better finish IMO.
That would make MPS one hell of a player...

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whats more realistic, and IMO favourable, would be to attach lower picks to each of the firsts to move both of them up into the late to mid-teens and get Bartschi and Rattie, both have chemistry with each other and are teammates of Ross.
Agreed. I'm okay with most permutations and I like the situation for the flexibility it affords the Leafs...

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03-02-2011, 09:05 PM
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Now before getting flamed by my own fanbase..

* If Burke decides Landeskog/Couturier/Larsson is the man

AND

since acquiring Colborne making either Kadri OR Colborne expandable

Maybe

To Ott:

Phi 1st
Tor 2nd
Kadri/Colbourne

To Tor:

Ott 1st
Other low prospect/pick

Just an idea... not saying I'd do this personally..

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Now before getting flamed by my own fanbase..

* If Burke decides Landeskog/Couturier/Larsson is the man

AND

since acquiring Colborne making either Kadri OR Colborne expandable

Maybe

To Ott:

Phi 1st
Tor 2nd
Kadri/Colbourne

To Tor:

Ott 1st
Other low prospect/pick

Just an idea... not saying I'd do this personally..
It's a matter of preference I would say. I don't disagree at all with those that say that's a backwards move and doesn't make that much sense.

I guess it comes down to how highly you think of the those top 4 players. Like previously stated, yes I would make that move.

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Like another poster above said, I think Burke will be using those two 1st's (and other assets), to bring in an impact roster player.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that player is the top line center we need. An undeniable, bonafide #1 pivot.

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They're trying to move up for Seth Ambrose (sp). If they can't get him, Burkie probably stays put. From conversation with Dave Morrison.

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Now before getting flamed by my own fanbase..

* If Burke decides Landeskog/Couturier/Larsson is the man

AND

since acquiring Colborne making either Kadri OR Colborne expandable

Maybe

To Ott:

Phi 1st
Tor 2nd
Kadri/Colbourne

To Tor:

Ott 1st
Other low prospect/pick

Just an idea... not saying I'd do this personally..
I dont think Ottawa will be trading any picks that are higher than what we've got after what Burke said to Murray at the draft when he inquired about Kadri.

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They're trying to move up for Seth Ambrose (sp). If they can't get him, Burkie probably stays put. From conversation with Dave Morrison.
Move up to get Ambroz? haha unlikely we would have to move up..may even be able to get him with out 2nd rounder...i think he's ranked like 50th on TSN rankings

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I dont think Ottawa will be trading any picks that are higher than what we've got after what Burke said to Murray at the draft when he inquired about Kadri.
Fair enough

It would be funny to see Murray try and do the same thing back..

So Brian, Philly's 1st, Kadri and your second for our first?

Yes, thats the offer on the table

Looking to get your hands on Landeskog?

He looks nice in Blue and White

Well hes the kid were gunna take burkie

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Move up to get Ambroz? haha unlikely we would have to move up..may even be able to get him with out 2nd rounder...i think he's ranked like 50th on TSN rankings
Probably just messing with me then. I'm not a draft guy and probably came off like a fool in the convo.

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I dont think Ottawa will be trading any picks that are higher than what we've got after what Burke said to Murray at the draft when he inquired about Kadri.
I actually thought about that too. Although I doubt Murray will reject a deal if he really thought it was a good trade for his team because of that.

Who knows though..

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back to the original idea of this thread (and sorry for the intrusion)

i was looking at some past draft trades and fixated on this:
2009 - Isles traded the 16, 26, 37, 62 & 77 FOR 12, 92 & 181


as of now, one of boston/philly is comparable to 26. Leafs 2nd is probably comparable to the 37. Flyers 3rd is 89 right now, but lets equate it to 77 for ease. The remaining leafs 1st likely isnt worth 16+62, but this draft is weaker anyways.


now come the IFs. IF nashville misses the playoffs (so 10-14 range pick), and IF ottawa is willing to move that pick, do you think any of the following proposals would work?

1. (NYI-2009 model)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd, PHI 3rd for NSH 1st, OTT 4th, OTT 7th

2. (just the first coming back)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd for NSH 1st

3. (tweaking with 3rds, part 1)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd for NSH 1st, Ott 3rd

4. (tweaking with 3rds, part 2)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd, PHI 3rd for NSH 1st, Ott 3rd

5. (tweaking with 3rds, part 3)
PHI 1st, BOS 1st, TOR 2nd, PHI 3rd for NSH 1st, Ott 4th


do any of those seem fair? Are the NYI trades just a bad template for this draft? Does making this type of trade with Ottawa just add too much risk?

Choose a variation that seems the most fair, or propose one that seems more fair in the eyes of the leafs.
Wishful thinking I think on your part that Nash turns into that high of a pick...Depending if its number 10 pick and say Huberdeau or Saad are still on the board I'd do option #3

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I actually thought about that too. Although I doubt Murray will reject a deal if he really thought it was a good trade for his team because of that.

Who knows though..
If that happend and I were Murray... I would tell Burke to **** Off. I would remember it for sure... I would say Do you want him? Yeah? Well were taking him! LOL

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If that happend and I were Murray... I would tell Burke to **** Off. I would remember it for sure... I would say Do you want him? Yeah? Well were taking him! LOL
LOL, it would be one of the best moments ever if Murray actually did say that to him.

Their not trading a top 2 pick though, no way.

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