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02-28-2011, 06:11 PM
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If they don't succeed in trading up then I'm hoping Zibanejad will be available at 24th. I saw him play live again this week and well.. he'll be in the NHL one day. That much I'm quite certain of. Smart, modern type of player that has all the tools necessary to succeed. Quite nice to see that he and Daniel Brodin (TOR) was put out regularly on the PK by Djurgården coach Hardy Nilsson too.

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02-28-2011, 06:12 PM
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Us to take Schenn:

Our first (7th), a 2nd, and a 3rd.


Sharks to take Setoguchi:

Sharks at 12 - moved to 8th.

Gave up: 12th overall, 2nd rounder, 7th.


Habs to take Tinnordi:

Started at 27th, moved up to 22nd.

Gave up 27th and 57th for 22nd and 113th.

Obviously there's more.

So 3 assets from ~25-40 should be enough to move down significantly.

Sharks used OUR pick from Toskala/Bell deal to move up and take Logan Couture also

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02-28-2011, 06:15 PM
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This is a very real possibilliy actually

IMO this is how it will pan out according to need and final positions.

1. Ott - Landeskog - The next Alfredsson
2. Edm - RNH - Need a big time C to play with there young gun wingers
3. NYI - Larsson - Need a PMD and will go with the hype of Larsson instead of the skill of Murphy
4. NJ - Couturier - Parise and Kovy both play LW, Zajac for one and Couturier for the other
5. Fla - Murphy - Tallon gets his version of Keith/Seabrook with Murphy/Gudbrandson
I wouldn't say that those two pairings are remotely comparable. There are some serious questions lately about Gudbranson, who has regressed this year, and while I love Murphy he is nothing like either of the CHI guys you mentioned.

Where do you think the TOR pick will fall? I would be cool with Huberdeau, Strome, Hamilton, or Saad. I do think that NJ may be out of the lottery with the way they are playing.

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02-28-2011, 06:16 PM
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That just isn't practical.

Let's say that our best pick is #24 overall.... and Burke's plan is to move to #14 then to #9. The team that has 14, isn't going to sign off on any trade until the team that drafts #13 makes their pick. By that time, everyone in the top 10 will have obviously picked.

Remember, teams generally trade down because they think they can get "their guy" at a later pick (and get free assets with which to work with later). Teams trade up because they seek a specific player, not "a top 10 pick". If you're trying to get a team to compromise on the player they want, you're going to have to grossly overpay and that just won't make sense to do. That's why Burke couldn't get Brayden Schenn, couldn't move his way high enough to get John Tavares.

If there's a team in the high teens / low 20s that wants to move down while we identify a player that we like that is available, then it makes sense to do at the cost of a 3rd + 4th rounder or something like that. Otherwise, we're best off looking for roster players while having a 1st round draft pick to dangle as bait similar to what Boston did last year.
That's not true. Sedins..? Some want quantity and have a rough idea who might be available.

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02-28-2011, 06:19 PM
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If they don't succeed in trading up then I'm hoping Zibanejad will be available at 24th. I saw him play live again this week and well.. he'll be in the NHL one day. That much I'm quite certain of. Smart, modern type of player that has all the tools necessary to succeed. Quite nice to see that he and Daniel Brodin (TOR) was put out regularly on the PK by Djurgården coach Hardy Nilsson too.
I love the potential that this kid has. I am really hoping he is available. Pretty sure if we keep the picks we will get a few good players but lots of options available.

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yes! or ty trattie
I don't think that's his name...

Yes, I move all 3 picks to get into the top 12.

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I wouldn't say that those two pairings are remotely comparable. There are some serious questions lately about Gudbranson, who has regressed this year, and while I love Murphy he is nothing like either of the CHI guys you mentioned.

Where do you think the TOR pick will fall? I would be cool with Huberdeau, Strome, Hamilton, or Saad. I do think that NJ may be out of the lottery with the way they are playing.
Probably 7th overall.

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02-28-2011, 06:25 PM
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3. NYI - Larsson - Need a PMD and will go with the hype of Larsson instead of the skill of Murphy
Larsson isn't exactly the PMD specialist type. He's decent at that position, but I doubt any team that has even done a halfassed attempt of doing their scouting homework on him will draft Larsson because they "need a PMD".

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02-28-2011, 06:34 PM
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You can bet our pick will be an "american" Burke is like Raptors GM....instead of picking Euros, we have Burke collecting Americans. It doesn't matter whether they are good or can play. It's their birth place that matters. And look at the Raps
Sigh...

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I wouldn't say that those two pairings are remotely comparable. There are some serious questions lately about Gudbranson, who has regressed this year, and while I love Murphy he is nothing like either of the CHI guys you mentioned.

Where do you think the TOR pick will fall? I would be cool with Huberdeau, Strome, Hamilton, or Saad. I do think that NJ may be out of the lottery with the way they are playing.
7th overall.

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You can bet our pick will be an "american" Burke is like Raptors GM....instead of picking Euros, we have Burke collecting Americans. It doesn't matter whether they are good or can play. It's their birth place that matters. And look at the Raps
I am so sick of this ridiculous angle!!

Europeans: Kulemin, Grabovski, Gunnarsson, Gustavsson

Canadians: Bozak, Lupul, MacArthur, Armstrong, Phaneuf, Schenn, Aulie, Reimer, Giguere, Brent, Boyce, Jay Rosehill

AMERICANS
Mike Brown, Phil Kessel, Mike Komisarek, Breet Lebda

4 Americans>>>>> stop with the stupid, used up angle

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Probably 7th overall.

I could live with that.


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Larsson isn't exactly the PMD specialist type. He's decent at that position, but I doubt any team that has even done a halfassed attempt of doing their scouting homework on him will draft Larsson because they "need a PMD".
Larsson projects to be a very good all-around d-man like Hedman. The SEL is known for it's low stats, so his offensive numbers in the NHL should be better than they are there, plus he's an 18 yr old playing against men in a pro league.

Not too shabby.

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02-28-2011, 06:49 PM
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If we can get strome, huberdeau, or murphy.(Or even zibanejad because I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be a top 10 pick) I'll be happy. But I would want to move boston's 2012 2nd plus a prospect to get a late 1st and get boone jenner if we do end moving our 1st 3 picks for a top 10 pick. Boone jenner+ murphy or huberdeau would be awesome for the 1st round!!

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02-28-2011, 07:03 PM
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That's not true. Sedins..? Some want quantity and have a rough idea who might be available.
Burke had to trade the next year's first rounder to get the Sedins.

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If we can get strome, huberdeau, or murphy.(Or even zibanejad because I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be a top 10 pick) I'll be happy. But I would want to move boston's 2012 2nd plus a prospect to get a late 1st and get boone jenner if we do end moving our 1st 3 picks for a top 10 pick. Boone jenner+ murphy or huberdeau would be awesome for the 1st round!!
I don't think we can trade Boston's second considering it's conditional on Kaberle re-signing or Boston making the finals.

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02-28-2011, 07:08 PM
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Keep all 3 picks. It's a week draft so I'd take 3 chances of finding a player over one.

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I would keep the picks but obviously things will change depending on how the draft is going after the first few picks.

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The draft is like 6 days(I think) before july 1st, kaberle will most likely be signed by then imho.
2012 is a very deep draft so its a valuable chip to have in play (trade) or keep.

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I'd take this with a grain of salt, remember when he was talking about trading up for Tavares?

With that being said, I'd deal the two 1st and a 2nd for a top 10 pick *IF* there was a specific player who we were targeting, someone the organization/Burke feels strongly about. If we didn't have a specific target, then may as well just keep the picks for 3 shots at a decent player. But if there's a prospect he'd love to snag around 10th overall, then certainly.

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I don't think we can trade Boston's second considering it's conditional on Kaberle re-signing or Boston making the finals.
The draft is like 6 days(I think) before july 1st, kaberle will most likely be signed by then imho.

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What about something along the lines of:

MacArthur
BOS 1ST
PHI 1ST
PHI 3RD

for

Landeskog

I could see the islanders doing this potentially.
I can't.Isles have added a lot of promising,but unproven youngsters the last 3 drafts.


Last draft,Newsday says Snow would have moved his first rounder,but only if he got a 20-22 yr old,with upside similar to the player he was eyeing at 5th overall.

Isles aren't at the start of their rebuild,where they are trying to add as many bodies as they can.No quality for quanitity deals.Want the isles 2011 #1?Then offer up a young player,with upside on a level with Larsson/Landeskog/RNH.

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I'd take this with a grain of salt, remember when he was talking about trading up for Tavares?.
trading up into the top 10, is a bit unrealistic in my view. im setting my sights lower. dont set the bar too high, youll only be dissapointed. besdies trading to get the first is a little bit different than trading up to get into the top 10 in a relatively weak draft.

Somebody posted recent teams who have traded up, they have traded up only 2-6 spots. We could get Edmontons 21st and take Boone Jenner. I still wont write off getting into the mid teens to draft.

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