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03-01-2011, 02:09 PM
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Would you do this?

(Assuming the standings remain as they are now, for the purposes of this proposal), would you trade all 3 of our 2nd rounders and the NSH 1st for another pick in the top 4? Maybe add in a piece like Regin or Foligno if necessary?

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Not that much. The team clearly thinks they can get good players in the 15-60 range. Murray's comments suggest that. I'd rather try to stockpile talent at this point than go all in.

Edit - Apparently the other team wouldn't do it either.


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(Assuming the standings remain as they are now, for the purposes of this proposal), would you trade all 3 of our 2nd rounders and the NSH 1st for another pick in the top 4? Maybe add in a piece like Regin or Foligno if necessary?
me, yes.

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If the Oilers offer their LA first + 3 2nd rounders (if they have it) + Cogliano for our lottery pick, would you do it?

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(Assuming the standings remain as they are now, for the purposes of this proposal), would you trade all 3 of our 2nd rounders and the NSH 1st for another pick in the top 4? Maybe add in a piece like Regin or Foligno if necessary?
I think it's too much, I would pay Nash 1st, a 2nd and 1 of Regin/Foligno

Counter proposal: would you trade karlsson for a top 4 pick AND a top 6 forward?

Think of the St-Louis / Colorado or the Dallas/Pitts trades

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03-01-2011, 02:14 PM
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I think so. We aren't brutally lacking in young depth players. Two franchise types would go a long way.

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All these proposals are crazy.

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(Assuming the standings remain as they are now, for the purposes of this proposal), would you trade all 3 of our 2nd rounders and the NSH 1st for another pick in the top 4? Maybe add in a piece like Regin or Foligno if necessary?
Given that we seem to have some depth in role-playing prospects I'd do it.

I'm quite skeptical the other team would, however.

I guess it would depend on where Nashville's pick ends up. I believe it's 13th overall at the moment.

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any body have any past trades which show what it could cost to get another top 5 pick?

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If the Oilers offer their LA first + 3 2nd rounders (if they have it) + Cogliano for our lottery pick, would you do it?
Hope nobody missed this post.

Point made. Don't see why the other team would do it.

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Hope nobody missed this post.

Point made. Don't see why the other team would do it.
Exactly what I was thinking.

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any body have any past trades which show what it could cost to get another top 5 pick?
If you go by this thread:
http://hfboards.ca/showthread.php?t=881848
it suggests that a 2nd rounder will get you about two spots up.



Ahh, I just figured out how to do it... assuming standings stay as today, package Nash first + a 2nd to move up into the top 10... then package that with another 2nd to move up 2 or 3... package that with our last 2nd and presto, top 4!!!

It's a wonder that I'm not a GM in this league yet

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From guyzeur's thread:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881848

2008 - 7, 37 (’09) & 68 FOR #5
2008 - 9 & 40 FOR #7
2007 - 13, 44 & 87 (’08) FOR #9

Those are the only trades for a top-10 pick in the last four years using just picks.

So, based on this (very abstract), by trading NSH 1st (at 13th Ov) + three 2nds + 2 thirds, we might possibly trade up to #5

Depends how other teams see the draft, and our picks, obviously.

Edit - Didn't see Hutz's post

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From guyzeur's thread:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881848

2008 - 7, 37 (’09) & 68 FOR #5
2008 - 9 & 40 FOR #7
2007 - 13, 44 & 87 (’08) FOR #9

Those are the only trades for a top-10 pick in the last four years using just picks.

So, based on this (very abstract), by trading NSH 1st (at 13th Ov) + three 2nds + 2 thirds, we might possibly trade up to #5

Depends how other teams see the draft, and our picks, obviously.

Edit - Didn't see Hutz's post
Never happened before like he said; this why we hope Nash does a good job of tanking as well. It's easier to move from 12 to 3 than 22 to 3.

Adding a player/prospect may make the trade easier to swallow by the other team.

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Given that we seem to have some depth in role-playing prospects I'd do it.

I'm quite skeptical the other team would, however.

I guess it would depend on where Nashville's pick ends up. I believe it's 13th overall at the moment.
I probably think the other team wouldn't either, but if its a team that needs to restock its prospect cupboard rather than get one really good prospect, I could see it.

Speaking of the NSH pick, if they miss the playoffs *knock on wood* , have a better record than all other non-playoff teams and a better record than a couple of Eastern playoff teams, does the pick end up #14, or would it go down by a couple? (i.e. do all non-playoff teams automatically get picks 1-14, regardless of if they have a better record than a playoff team in the other conference?

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If you go by this thread:
http://hfboards.ca/showthread.php?t=881848
it suggests that a 2nd rounder will get you about two spots up.



Ahh, I just figured out how to do it... assuming standings stay as today, package Nash first + a 2nd to move up into the top 10... then package that with another 2nd to move up 2 or 3... package that with our last 2nd and presto, top 4!!!

It's a wonder that I'm not a GM in this league yet
How is that any different than my OP? LOL Get in the GM line behind me, buddy. LOL

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Would you give our pick up for that? Of course not. So yes, I would give up 3 2nds and a top 15 pick for a top 5 pick.

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If the Oilers offer their LA first + 3 2nd rounders (if they have it) + Cogliano for our lottery pick, would you do it?
No, but we have the same number of picks already.

Remember the Leafs with 3 first rounders and no one that made an impact. All were Beleville Bulls which could have been the problem!

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Quantity over Quality. The chance of grabbing an elite level player increases with the amount of picks. No point in attempting to go for a franchise player if it doesn't pan out, too much of a gamble IMO;

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there's been TONS of speculation concerning our first round picks.......any idea who looks tasty with our picks in the 2nd round??

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I posted this in another thread, but I feel its relevant to this particular discussion:

"I hope we keep all the picks. The depth of this draft is what makes it strong, but there aren't really superstars to be had in the top 10 aside from Larsson, Couturier and RNH. To me, Strome or Huberdeau are not worth say Tyler Biggs, Alex Khokhalchev and Magnus Hellberg.

That's just me. I see Strome on even par with Nazem Kadri/Derek Roy in that he could probably be a top line winger or a really good second line center and Huberdeau has about the same upside as a Jacob Voracek/MPS.

At 13-15 with the Nashville pick there's Zibanejad, Baertschi, Biggs, Jensen, Jurco, who are not that far off from the top 5-10 forwards.

After that, the second round is littered with potential top 6ers. J.T Miller, Max Friberg, Vlad Namestnikov, Seth Ambroz, Rickard Rackell, Phillipe Hudon, Alex Khokhalchev, Stefan Noesen, Matthew Nieto, Shane Prince, Daniel Catenacci, Vincent Trochek, Marcel Noebels, Rocco Grimaldi etc. etc... There's so much talent deep into this draft, we'd be foolish to not exploit that.

Ottawa will get their elite forward prospect with the first then we can stock the cupboard with legitimate top 6 prospects and get another solid goaltending prospect into the organization.

Again, ask yourself, what is more appealing:

Strome vs. Zibanejad, JT Miller, Christopher Gibson?

Huberdeau vs. Jensen, Catenacci, Friberg? "

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there's been TONS of speculation concerning our first round picks.......any idea who looks tasty with our picks in the 2nd round??
St. Croix, Jurco, Prince that I've seen.

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I posted this in another thread, but I feel its relevant to this particular discussion:

"I hope we keep all the picks. The depth of this draft is what makes it strong, but there aren't really superstars to be had in the top 10 aside from Larsson, Couturier and RNH. To me, Strome or Huberdeau are not worth say Tyler Biggs, Alex Khokhalchev and Magnus Hellberg.

That's just me. I see Strome on even par with Nazem Kadri/Derek Roy in that he could probably be a top line winger or a really good second line center and Huberdeau has about the same upside as a Jacob Voracek/MPS.

At 13-15 with the Nashville pick there's Zibanejad, Baertschi, Biggs, Jensen, Jurco, who are not that far off from the top 5-10 forwards.

After that, the second round is littered with potential top 6ers. J.T Miller, Max Friberg, Vlad Namestnikov, Seth Ambroz, Rickard Rackell, Phillipe Hudon, Alex Khokhalchev, Stefan Noesen, Matthew Nieto, Shane Prince, Daniel Catenacci, Vincent Trochek, Marcel Noebels, Rocco Grimaldi etc. etc... There's so much talent deep into this draft, we'd be foolish to not exploit that.

Ottawa will get their elite forward prospect with the first then we can stock the cupboard with legitimate top 6 prospects and get another solid goaltending prospect into the organization.

Again, ask yourself, what is more appealing:

Strome vs. Zibanejad, JT Miller, Christopher Gibson?

Huberdeau vs. Jensen, Catenacci, Friberg? "
Gonna have to disagree. Strome at least is a fair amount ahead of the players that you listed. I would trade up for him. Other than that, if we can't reach for Strome, I say keep the picks.

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2nd counter offer:

To one of the other top 4 teams,

Sens receives: a 2011 top 4 pick
Sens gives: a 2011 2nd, 3rd and Sens 1st round 2012

in 2010 we would have: 2 of Landeskog/Couturier/Larsson/RNH, Nash 1st and 2 more 2nd rounder

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This is ****ing retarded.

I didn't even reading past the OP.

Why would any other team trade down for a package of ****?

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2nd counter offer:

To one of the other top 4 teams,

Sens receives: a 2011 top 4 pick
Sens gives: a 2011 2nd, 3rd and Sens 1st round 2012

in 2010 we would have: 2 of Landeskog/Couturier/Larsson/RNH, Nash 1st and 2 more 2nd rounder
Uh, most definetly not. Next season could be just as bad as this season and I'm already liking what the 2012 draft has to offer.

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here's a better question:

say nashville misses the playoffs and ends up in the 10-12 range

do you trade nashville's first for philly's (27-30), boston's (27-30), and toronto's 2nd (35-38)

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