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03-01-2011, 03:05 PM
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Vigneault - Fourth line won't see an increase in playing time

Alain Vigneault's plan for the fourth line seems unchanged despite the addition of Lapierre and Higgins:

"There's only a few minutes available on that (fourth) line," Vigneault said. "If Hank (Henrik Sedin) is playing 18-20 and Kes (Ryan Kesler) is playing 20-22 and Manny (Malhotra) is playing 15, then there is five, six minutes available."

"That's what you get when you play on a fourth line, now. (Lapierre) is aware of that, he understands that. He's gonna be an effective player when he's playing those minutes for us."

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He has to award the guys that got this team to the top of the standings, there's no question about that. As for how many minutes the fourth line plays right now, that's fine, but if someone outplays Malhotra down the stretch or in the playoffs AV will make the change.

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Well our 4th was pretty effective in the little time they had before the deadline so we'll have to wait and see.

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I disagree with the Vigneault plan. It doesn't make sense to me not to cut back on Kesler's minutes over the last 20 games, as well as the Sedins. Doing so would not be failing to "reward" the players responsible for the Canucks' success; the opposite is true. Give a few more minutes to the fourth line, making them better prepared for the playoffs. Rest a few key guys. If it means a couple more losses and a slide from first to second or even third in the conference, it's worth it if the best players are fresher when the second season begins.

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Good, I was hoping for a worn out/overworked Kesler in the playoffs, thanks coach!

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Shouldn't we be trying to rest our uber guys a little bit, especially since the Twins look exhausted most nights and Kes has had a little less zip than he did mid-season?

Plus, it'd be nice to watch Lapierre piss off other guys...especially Oilers and Flames. We have the 1-2 spot pretty much wrapped up, why should we burn out our guys/make them risk injury? Doesn't make sense.

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It is fine when it is Glass Lapierre Tambellini, but if it is Glass Lapierre Higgins/Hansen you are just wasting an advantage. That line can be played against pretty much anyone and wears down the other team. Maybe AV has never had a team that was 4 lines deep before. I hope we are not going to see Kesler at 22 minutes a night until the playoffs. The guy has no history of playoff success take it abit easy of him.

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Good, I was hoping for a worn out/overworked Kesler in the playoffs, thanks coach!
If he can't handle it then trade him.

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Wait, I thought AV was a terrible coach cause he was in love with 4th line grinders, etc?

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Kesler getting around 20 minutes a game isn't bad. I think if the fourth line excels and clearly can handle more minutes, they might get some of that. But AV isn't going to abritraily state "OK, we have an NHL fourth line center now so they will get X-amount of ice time".

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I'm sure we'll rest our guys closer to the playoffs.

Right now though, this makes sense.

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I don't get why everyone always assumes that statements like these are some kind of 100% rigid rule.

Glass has averaged close to 9 min per game, for example. Desbiens is over 7, and I'd assume that Lapierre will make himself more valuable than Desbiens did.

Vigneault is setting expectations. He's not saying that he never wants to play them more than six minutes per game. He's just setting expectations so that people don't start freaking out when the new acquisition plays 5 mins in a tight game, like they did when it happened to Hodgson.

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That's fine in close games, as long as when the opportunity arises he plays the 4th line more, which I'm sure he will.

We've had a brutal 4th line for so long maybe Vigneault forgets it's possible to have NHL calibre talent there to take a regular shift. I also think he'll change his tune pretty quickly if the 4th line provides a physical presence while also keeping the puck in the opposition's end a bit more consistently.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kesler's PK icetime cut down. The acquisition of Lapierre definately makes that a distinct possibility and it should help keep Kesler healthy and rested for a long playoff run.

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If he can't handle it then trade him.
Dang it, one day late! We could have got grinders with truculence!

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Hopefully the newcomers are as solid on the PK as advertised and they maybe can bump Kesler to the third PK unit. That should save him a few minutes per game, and it'll put him on the ice at the end of a PK, allowing him to transition it into an offensive situation.

Sedins aren't tired out there. They're struggling because the transition game from the defence has made it tougher for them to set up in the opposing zone. Henrik doesn't seem 100% out there, but I wouldn't say they look tired. They play very conservative minutes for being top forwards in the league.

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It's pretty simple:

Establish and hold on to a lead = more ice time for 4th line

Fall behind= no time for the 4th line

Every coach would like to be able to roll all four lines and keep guys fresh but circumstances dictate the strategy.

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Dang it, one day late! We could have got grinders with truculence!

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Hopefully we've all learned not to take what AV and Gillis say as everlasting scripture. They reserve the right to do whatever they want.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Kesler's PK icetime cut down. The acquisition of Lapierre definately makes that a distinct possibility and it should help keep Kesler healthy and rested for a long playoff run.
That's what I'd like to see too - the Canucks are fine in the standings and any downgrade they'd see from Lapierre taking on Kesler's PK minutes would be worth the risk of injury to or tiring out Kesler.

The EV ice time of the four lines is fine as is.

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Kesler getting 20 is fine. Its when he creeps up towards 25 that it becomes an issue.

It also depends what his minutes are. Is he having a high minute night because of a lot of PP's?

The hope is that guys like Lapierre and Higgins can continue to eat into Kesler's PK minutes.

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Dang it, one day late! We could have got grinders with truculence!
You mean like the kind AV said he plans to limit in icetime?

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Funny to hear this coming from the same coach who played Ryan Johnson about 11mpg the past 2 years.....

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Sedins not getting enough ice time! Vigneault is a horrible coach!

Kesler Getting too much ice time and will be tired! Vigneault is a horrible coach!

4th line not getting enough ice time! Vigneault is a horrible coach!

No matter what Vigneault do there's always some whining.

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If he can't handle it then trade him.
But if he can't handle it who would want him?

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