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05-10-2011, 11:14 AM
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You know who this team needs? Not partying idiots like Mike Green and John Erskine. They need someone like Mike Richards. That guy's a playoff warrior. He'd never take part in that Club Kettler atmosphere.
Now they can all party together on the 19th hole!

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05-11-2011, 03:20 PM
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You'd prefer that they trash a Japanese hotel?
Actually, yeah I would.

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05-11-2011, 03:22 PM
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You know who this team needs? Not partying idiots like Mike Green and John Erskine. They need someone like Mike Richards. That guy's a playoff warrior. He'd never take part in that Club Kettler atmosphere.



Nice dissembling. Kind of shows your squirt gun ain't loaded.

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05-11-2011, 04:56 PM
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Moving Green has nothing to do with his partying. Its about the fact he could never stay on the ice for a 20+ game cup run. And that is a must for any player making what he does and will be making.

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05-11-2011, 05:35 PM
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Nice dissembling. Kind of shows your squirt gun ain't loaded.
Haha, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Actually, what that shows it that your "squirt gun ain't loaded."

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05-11-2011, 05:44 PM
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Haha, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Actually, what that shows it that your "squirt gun ain't loaded."

Still waiting for an explanation as to why the video came down so fast after Steinberg's blog post if it was no issue as you claim.

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05-11-2011, 05:48 PM
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Still waiting for an explanation as to why the video came down so fast after Steinberg's blog post if it was no issue as you claim.
No idea why it was taken down. If you could point me to where there's any explanation of that on Steinberg's blog (or anywhere else), I'd be happy to address it. Until then, you're just making things up.

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05-11-2011, 05:50 PM
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No idea why it was taken down. If you could point me to where there's any explanation of that on Steinberg's blog (or anywhere else), I'd be happy to address. Until then, you're just making things up.

Do you not know how to click on links? Again, you are dissembling.

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05-11-2011, 05:55 PM
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Do you not know how to click on links? Again, you are dissembling.
I don't think you know what that word means.

And dammit, I knew I should have learned how to click on links. Here I was, accessing hfboards with keyboard shortcuts for the last 7 years.

I did happen to use my keyboard shortcuts to access Steinberg's blog and surprise, surprise: there's no explanation as to why the video was removed.

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05-11-2011, 06:23 PM
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I don't think you know what that word means.

And dammit, I knew I should have learned how to click on links. Here I was, accessing hfboards with keyboard shortcuts for the last 7 years.

I did happen to use my keyboard shortcuts to access Steinberg's blog and surprise, surprise: there's no explanation as to why the video was removed.


the video was removed shortly after Steinberg's blog post. I think you are smart enough to figure it out. Come on, think hard.

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I'm smart enough not to assume. Are you?

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I'm smart enough not to assume. Are you?
It's called sticking your head up a crevice in your posterior so you don't have to face reality. Look, you can apologize for these guys all you like, but there is clearly a culture problem on this team.

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05-12-2011, 09:29 AM
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It's called sticking your head up a crevice in your posterior so you don't have to face reality. Look, you can apologize for these guys all you like, but there is clearly a culture problem on this team.
Is there a culture problem in Philadelphia because there are pictures of Richards partying and drinking?

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05-12-2011, 02:22 PM
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Is there a culture problem in Philadelphia because there are pictures of Richards partying and drinking?
Not the night after getting swept. And your suggestion that the pictures you came up with were of that nature is disingenuous..................

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Not the night after getting swept. And your suggestion that the pictures you came up with were of that nature is disingenuous..................
Question, what do you suggest he should have been doing? Weeping over a ****ing pathetic series? No I don't think so. Don't dread it. Think it over, and get on with your life. They're people too you know.

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Question, what do you suggest he should have been doing? Weeping over a ****ing pathetic series? No I don't think so. Don't dread it. Think it over, and get on with your life. They're people too you know.


I think they should have acted like they care about winning and losing. Like I said, I know more than a few Caps fans who didn't feel much like partying the day after the Tampa sweep. Too bad the fans care more about winning than some of the players...................

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I think they should have acted like they care about winning and losing. Like I said, I know more than a few Caps fans who didn't feel much like partying the day after the Tampa sweep. Too bad the fans care more about winning than some of the players...................
So what is the rule of thumb then for when it is ok for players on a team that is swept in the playoffs to be able to go out and party? 1 day is apparently too soon so how long should Green have waited in your opinion?

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Not the night after getting swept. And your suggestion that the pictures you came up with were of that nature is disingenuous..................
Ok, when were the Richards pictures taken? You don't know, so you can't really speak to that.

Again, this goes back to my original point, which is apparently too complex for you to comprehend. Professional athletes are trained to put losses behind them and not dwell on them. They don't live and die by the results.

Did you expect him not to go out and have a good time because of the loss? Was he supposed to punish himself?

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Well Wideman was my favorite player on the Bruins 08/09 so I'm biased but I think you consider it if the deal is right. Wideman is the perfect Mike Green replacement. Its not like you have another Semin on the roster if its him who gets traded.

I'm not wowed with Green. He rode in the elevator with us since my buddy I brought to that game couldn't do the stairs and I thought it was a ticket rep since his suit and shoes weren't nice or anything getting on the elevator until I realized who it was asking if the locker rooms were on that level and not being in the lineup that game. Of course on 24/7 when he is not even playing dude be rocking Louis this and that and riding his scooter wearing Uggz. ITs like u cant dress and ur soft as hell I thought u were a ticket rep Mike Green stop fronting...

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Ok, when were the Richards pictures taken? You don't know, so you can't really speak to that.

Again, this goes back to my original point, which is apparently too complex for you to comprehend. Professional athletes are trained to put losses behind them and not dwell on them. They don't live and die by the results.

Did you expect him not to go out and have a good time because of the loss? Was he supposed to punish himself?
The Richard photos are from 2010. Again, it was highly disingenuous of you to try to suggest that they were taken during the recent playoffs. And it is clear now that you have your lips firmly planted on McPhee's butt and are trying to defend the indefensible, which is the cultural problem that exists with the team.

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The one play that continues to stick out in my mind is that 2 on 1 against Tampa. As the saying goes chase two rabbits catch none. Green was trying to cover both guys rather then covering one and letting the goalie take the other and it resulted in Mike getting stuck in the middle and screening the goalie.

Before that I had thought it silly to trade Mike Green but that was the first moment where I thought that maybe he was more of a liability then an asset.

I also lost a ton of respect for him when he elbowed Stamkos, pretty much knowing that it was Stamkos that was coming to lightly check him.

Right now I feel that with the emergence of Wideman and Carlson, that the team might be better off seeing what a player like Green could get them in a trade.

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That blown 2-1 was one of the those mental lockups that Green is prone too when the pressure is on. Disheartening to see him regress on those plays. That's why I question his capacity to play under the spotlight right now. He really needs a solid 1b to take the load off him.

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the series was over long before that Green play of the 2 on 1. How many 2 on 1's did he face this year? Best guess 5 or 10? When your defensive guy blows that, its worse. We have such bigger problems than Green.

Has anyone ever seen 2 on 1's practiced at Kettler? I am sure it is but I never see it. I think we would more often practice pinching and the offensive zone stuff.

George made a statement, I want D (Flash --> Hannan) but Bruce doesnt drill the kids to learn D first. Its more about, take risks in the offensive zone, MY system. The center can play D as well as you probably, bring the attack first and foremost.

Green is rarely back alone and I think doesnt get many reps. Who cant play a 2 on 1 really. Practice, drill work, if not.

Guys get a free ride. Sarge wont clean house because I think its not important to Bruce. I love the TB drill where Rolo throws the puck out and the D F fight for control.


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These guys have gotten a lot better at defending odd man rushes. Not saying much cause it was a very very low base. I've seen Green play that a lot better in the past.

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You know who this team needs? Not partying idiots like Mike Green and John Erskine. They need someone like Mike Richards. That guy's a playoff warrior. He'd never take part in that Club Kettler atmosphere.



Way to steal my post. And you forgot the best picture of all, the one where he has Gina Lynn on his lap.

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"The full video, courtesy John Erskine, is here."

Why are we just harping on Green? Erskine was apparently there with him. Why aren't you busting Erskine's chops about partying?

You know what I've done each of the past two nights? Partied, got drunk, and watched live music. It helped me forget about the Capitals disappointment and not spend the weekend moping around. It's the off-season, let him have a little fun and not spend the entire time mourning his playoff loss.

And, while we're at it, the Flyers are known for partying. There's been just as much attention paid to that team's partying habits as the Capitals'. There's a lot of pictures floating around of Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, and company out hitting the bars, crashing frat parties, copping feels, and hanging with porn stars. Just be glad Mr. Green is only singing along to bad music and riding his scooter around town.



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The one play that continues to stick out in my mind is that 2 on 1 against Tampa. As the saying goes chase two rabbits catch none. Green was trying to cover both guys rather then covering one and letting the goalie take the other and it resulted in Mike getting stuck in the middle and screening the goalie.
There's no question that Green is downright awful in odd-man situations. But that's a situation that really doesn't occur all too often and was as much of a result of Erskine's silly hit attempt (which, in large part, was due to the horribly chemistry between Erskine and Green) as Green's ineptitude.

Green's play 1-on-1 against his man and positionally once the play has been set is far superior to when he has to improvise defensively. If you put him with a guy who doesn't expose Green's weakness, it immediately results in a better pairing. That's why Schultz-Green tended to look pretty good over the past two years, even with people constantly dogging Schultz. Because Schultz's conservative play didn't expose Green's weaknesses. Now if you can find a guy who's snarl and overall skill doesn't result in placing Green in bad situations, you've found yourself an ideal partner for Greener. Maybe that guy is Alzner (even though the "snarl" isn't really there) if you're willing to take him away from Carlson. If not, you look for a guy like Markov, Tyutin, Coburn, or Regehr to pair with him.

It's not so much about covering for Green's mistakes as not putting Green into bad situations, in my eyes. Green has improved on his decision making and his recovery speed is excellent (and we don't have Theo in net anymore), so I'm not hiding in crippling fear about Green's mistakes. Now if we can find a pro-active partner for him that won't hang Green out to dry, we can really see one hell of a defensive pairing.

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