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07-02-2004, 11:07 AM
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Grit is gone

Three gritty players have signed with teams:

Matt Barnaby= Hawks
Ian Laperriere= Avs
Chris Simon= Flames

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07-02-2004, 11:08 AM
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Three gritty players have signed with teams:

Matt Barnaby= Hawks
Ian Laperriere= Avs
Chris Simon= Flames
MMUUUUUUUUCKKKKKLEEERRRRRR :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Curtis Brown to Chicago too

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07-02-2004, 11:40 AM
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My $ is on Jason Wiemer...Ottawa put in a waiver claim for him last year...we'll wait and see.

I truly hope we add one gritty forward through either free agency or trade.

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07-02-2004, 11:44 AM
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The only gritty guy i can think of us getting is Wiemer...we came close at the trade deadline, lets get him here.


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07-02-2004, 03:21 PM
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Why does everyone want Weimer so bad. I just dont get it he was on waivers last year. He has been bounced around like no other. He is a 4th liner he does not address our need. Barnaby would have.

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Why does everyone want Weimer so bad. I just dont get it he was on waivers last year. He has been bounced around like no other. He is a 4th liner he does not address our need. Barnaby would have.
I'll agree with this. Weimer's a fourth liner, absolutely nothing more. He doesn't solve any "problems", he doesn't really fill any holes. I don't think our problem is on the fourth line in terms of grit, it's on the top lines.

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How about you try and trade for one of them ? Probably not much trade value .

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Why does everyone want Weimer so bad. I just dont get it he was on waivers last year. He has been bounced around like no other. He is a 4th liner he does not address our need. Barnaby would have.
He was on waivers because the Isles were supposedly dumping salary (although the benefits of dumping someone making league average can be debated).
He's been quite a successful 3rd liner. I remember a game a year and half ago in which the Weimer-Scatchard-Blake line was killing our defense. They pounded the crap out of them and finished with 2 or 3 goals.

All I want is Tomas Holmstrom, if Weimer could do the same thing... I'd want him too.

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Wiemer is not that bad. He has excellent size and strenght. He's a GOOD 4th liner IMO. He plays physical and is pretty quick for his weight. Anyways, I think Grant Marshall would a better option if somehow Ottawa can get him. He's one of the best fore-checkers in the game.

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Why not try quick grit?

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07-03-2004, 08:05 AM
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I'll agree with this. Weimer's a fourth liner, absolutely nothing more. He doesn't solve any "problems", he doesn't really fill any holes. I don't think our problem is on the fourth line in terms of grit, it's on the top lines.

If we are going to get a gritty first or second liner it would be more likely through trade then via free agency IMO.

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I am surprised Ottawa didn't try for Ian Laperriere. He was great over here for the Kings, but he was expendable with the emergence of Avery. The Kings have a bunch of gritty agitator who may fit in well with Ottawa's skating. Check out Jerrod Smithson.

Or what about Steve Begin on Montreal?

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07-03-2004, 04:54 PM
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Since Langdons gone, I don't think the Habs would want to trade Begin, especially with us.

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If we want someone from the Kings...Sean Avery?

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Even more grit is gone... Mike Knuble and Turner Stevenson signed with the Flyers. This just sucks. The UFA market is virtually void of grit. Way to be on top of things, Muckler.

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07-03-2004, 10:39 PM
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Grit gone? If by 3rd and 4th liners who mean grit than yes, the grit is gone. But there are still some top-line players available. Brendan Shanahan comes to mind. Rumours say Toronto wants him but I've also heard the Leafs don't want to spend any more cash. I hope Muckler at least makes an off to Shanny. At age 35 Shanahan still has the ability to skate, hit, score, and fend off injury. I haven't even mentioned his decent leadership skills. His numbers over the past 5 seasons:

2003-04, Detroit: NHL GP 82, G 25, A 28, P 53, +15, PIM 117, Shots 280
2002-03, Detroit: NHL GP 78, G 30, A 38, P 68, +5, PIM 103, Shots 260
2001-02, Detroit: NHL GP 80, G 37, A 38, P 75, +23, PIM 118, Shots 277
2000-01, Detroit: NHL GP 81, G 31, A 45, P 76, +9, PIM 81, Shots 278
1999-00, Detroit: NHL GP 78, G 41, A 37, P 78, +24, PIM 105, Shots 283

Although his numbers have been going down, his PIM's and shots are staying consistant. Players of Shanny's quality don't lose their finish, they lose their speed etc from playing such a style of game. I think if he keeps getting chances his numbers will climb again (or at least stay about the same). His PIM's show me he's kept up a physical style of play, which is what we really need. He's never missed more than 4 games in the past 5 seasons. That's good to know with power forwards, they're vulnerable to injury.

Any guy who plays LW (Ottawa weakest position), can consistantly put up 50+ points, and play a physical type of game is more than welcome on my team any day. Do I want Shanahan in Ottawa? Damn straight, I don't care if he takes a pay cut (although I'd like him to). Dumping Lalime and Bonk freed up enough salary right there. Peter Bondra going to Free Agency gives us another 4.5 million to use (although he may come back yet at a lower price, provided he can't get back to the Caps). Whether we get Shanahan or not is up to John Muckler, not me, but I'd be making a huge push to sign him if I were in his shoes.

Shanny is one of my favorite players aswell. I'm pretty high on the guy.

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07-03-2004, 10:46 PM
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Grit gone? If by 3rd and 4th liners who mean grit than yes, the grit is gone. But there are still some top-line players available. Brendan Shanahan comes to mind. Rumours say Toronto wants him but I've also heard the Leafs don't want to spend any more cash. I hope Muckler at least makes an off to Shanny. At age 35 Shanahan still has the ability to skate, hit, score, and fend off injury. I haven't even mentioned his decent leadership skills. His numbers over the past 5 seasons:

2003-04, Detroit: NHL GP 82, G 25, A 28, P 53, +15, PIM 117, Shots 280
2002-03, Detroit: NHL GP 78, G 30, A 38, P 68, +5, PIM 103, Shots 260
2001-02, Detroit: NHL GP 80, G 37, A 38, P 75, +23, PIM 118, Shots 277
2000-01, Detroit: NHL GP 81, G 31, A 45, P 76, +9, PIM 81, Shots 278
1999-00, Detroit: NHL GP 78, G 41, A 37, P 78, +24, PIM 105, Shots 283

Although his numbers have been going down, his PIM's and shots are staying consistant. Players of Shanny's quality don't lose their finish, they lose their speed etc from playing such a style of game. I think if he keeps getting chances his numbers will climb again (or at least stay about the same). His PIM's show me he's kept up a physical style of play, which is what we really need. He's never missed more than 4 games in the past 5 seasons. That's good to know with power forwards, they're vulnerable to injury.

Any guy who plays LW (Ottawa weakest position), can consistantly put up 50+ points, and play a physical type of game is more than welcome on my team any day. Do I want Shanahan in Ottawa? Damn straight, I don't care if he takes a pay cut (although I'd like him to). Dumping Lalime and Bonk freed up enough salary right there. Peter Bondra going to Free Agency gives us another 4.5 million to use (although he may come back yet at a lower price, provided he can't get back to the Caps). Whether we get Shanahan or not is up to John Muckler, not me, but I'd be making a huge push to sign him if I were in his shoes.

Shanny is one of my favorite players aswell. I'm pretty high on the guy.
Shanny is declining , and he doesn't really hit no more either ...

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07-03-2004, 10:56 PM
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MMUUUUUUUUCKKKKKLEEERRRRRR :mad: :mad: :mad:
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

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sorry the kings wont trade avery now that we let lappy go...

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Even more grit is gone... Mike Knuble and Turner Stevenson signed with the Flyers. This just sucks. The UFA market is virtually void of grit. Way to be on top of things, Muckler.
Okay, you need to calm down. This team has enough grit on their bottom two lines, it's their top two lines that lack grit. Knuble would have been OK, Barnaby was my top choice, but none of these other guys can play on the top two lines. It's not the end of the world.

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Shanny is declining , and he doesn't really hit no more either ...
Strange, he's been a fine player whenever I've seen him play. I won't hide the fact he's not what he once was, but he can still consistantly put up 50+ points and play a physical game. Look at his PIM's- those aren't high sticks etc I can assure you.

Maybe I've just been catching him on good nights, but the stats match the player that I saw. Part of his points decline was the fall of Steve Yzerman. Shanahan no longer has the league's best center (debatably) by his side. That'd hurt any players point totals.

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The reality is there are only a few UFA players left that would fit this team.

Conroy - good centreman who can score, win faceoffs and is tough. Could play with Alfie.

Weimer - can play 4th line centre and let the smaller more offensive White and/or Vermette play on a wing. Gives the Sens more options.

Cullen - if he ever reaches his potential could be the same as either Conroy or Weimer but is a risk.

Zhitnik - would improve the grit on defense where we have a little problem. Redden, Phillips, Pothier and Volchenkov (Leschyshyn) are considered a little soft although all of them can deliver a big hit from time to time none of them are willing to drop them if need be like Chara, Simpson or De Vries. Phillips is especially dissappointing with his size. Although Matvichuck is the same kind of player but cheaper. But do the Sens need another defensman?

Rem Murray LW / C - a cheaper versatile version of Smoke.
Rucinsky - a cheaper version of Bondra.
Stumple - a cheaper version of Radek Bonk but may be worth a look.

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