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03-02-2011, 01:56 PM
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Hawks are a great team and great teams will win games like this

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Faceoffs are so unimportant that Johnson comes on for Bickell to take even strength D zone draws while Bolland stands and watches. Yup, Stanley Cup winning coach must know less than HFers.

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Hawks are channeling their inner Charlie Sheen lately, and I expect to see that continue tonight.


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He has only been on for 2 goals against shorthanded.

Top pk forwards (minutes played)

Player 1 goal scored against every _ minutes

Johnson 10 minutes
Toews 9.5 minutes
Brouwer 8 minutes
Kopper 7.8 minutes
Dowell 7 minutes
Sharp 7 minutes
Bolland 6.9 minutes
Pisani 6 minutes
1 goal allowed per 10 minutes SH is very impressive... when you've played significantly more than 20 minutes total short-handed. If anything, these stats are telling about how well Toews and Bolland are on the PK (who have played 120+ minutes on the PK this year).

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Faceoffs are so unimportant that Johnson comes on for Bickell to take even strength D zone draws while Bolland stands and watches. Yup, Stanley Cup winning coach must know less than HFers.
Wanna know what this proves? Johnson is literally here for face-offs and nothing else. There's a reason why Johnson replaces Bickell and not Bolland... Bolland can actually play defensively responsible if the draw is lost or won. Also, if Johnson was so useful for things other than face-offs... why wouldn't he play wing in case Bolland is thrown out?

He's better for a faceoff win (1.4 more won per 10 faceoffs taken than Bolland), but that's about it. Bolland is a defensive ace and that is more important than winning a few more faceoffs per game.


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03-02-2011, 02:29 PM
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Johnson has played far less games then the rest so that makes his stats misleading
we are not talking games here we are talking goals against per short handed minutes.

anything more than a full periods worth of shorthanded time is substancial and to only be on for 2 goals against is very good.....stats translate accordingly

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03-02-2011, 02:33 PM
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this stat just shows me more that Toews is just Great and we are lucky to have him on our team

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03-02-2011, 02:58 PM
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Wanna know what this proves? Johnson is literally here for face-offs and nothing else. There's a reason why Johnson replaces Bickell and not Bolland... Bolland can actually play defensively responsible if the draw is lost or won. Also, if Johnson was so useful for things other than face-offs... why wouldn't he play wing in case Bolland is thrown out?

He's better for a faceoff win (1.4 more won per 10 faceoffs taken than Bolland), but that's about it. Bolland is a defensive ace and that is more important than winning a few more faceoffs per game.
Uggh, he replaces Bolland on the draw while Bolland is the the backup in case Johnson gets tossed. What part of that don't you get?

I am not debating the value of Johnson's all around play, the issue is how imprtant face offs are. You even make the case yourself. Why would we keep a roster spot for a one trick faceoff ace if it wasn't effin' huge?

Apparently Johnson winning draws trumps Bolland's defense in the eyes of the people who run the bench, is that not good enough for you?

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03-02-2011, 03:00 PM
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Gotta have this one tonight. Playing a hot team that's jockeying for the #4 seed right along with us. The current win streak, honestly, means little without this one. Can't afford to lose forward momentum. It's even bigger considering we have so few games left against Western Conference opponents. We won't be able to grab 2 points while simultaneously denying points to a team in direct contention with our playoff position. A win tonight vaults us up to that #4 seed, ahead of Calgary and Phoenix, while still having 2 games in hand on either team. Phoenix and L.A. play a huge game tomorrow. Every team currently in the top 8 in the Western Conference has been playing extremely well over their past 10 games. Only Vancouver and Dallas have walked away without points in fewer than 7 of their past 10 games.

Our remaining schedule is brutal. Of our remaining 19 games, only 7 are against teams on the outside of the playoffs looking in. It doesn't get any easier that we have only 8 home games left either. Although, playing at home, like our PK, hasn't been anything like it was last season.

If we win 10 or 11 of those 19 games, we'll have 94-96 points. In such a competitive conference, it's scary to think that that JUST might be enough to get in. Hopefully some of the losses come in OT or SO.

Detroit x3, Calgary, San Jose, Dallas, Washington, Tampa, Anaheim, Phoenix, Boston...
The playoffs have absolutely already started for this team.

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03-02-2011, 03:05 PM
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Just keep the pedal down. Get into 4th and keep winning and we'll be in great shape, maybe even a surprise chance at the division to end the season. All we need to do is get within 4 points of those guys and it's up for grabs.

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03-02-2011, 03:13 PM
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Odds to make playoffs
Calgary: 62.9%
Chicago: 82.9%

Odds to win this game
Calgary: 42%
Chicago: 58%

Against CGY this season (3 GP)
Toews: 1-2-3
Seabrook: 0-3-3
Bolland: 2-0-2
Bickell: 1-1-2
Brouwer: 1-1-2
Campbell: 0-2-2
Kane: 1-0-1
(Skille: 1-0-1)
Keith: 0-1-1
Kopecky: 0-1-1
Pisani: 0-1-1

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03-02-2011, 03:15 PM
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This game is a matter of pride imo. We used to own Calgary and so far this year they've abused us. Forget the playoffs, tonight is a must-win just to save face.

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Sutter is a pretty good coach. I like the lines he has going. You look at their team and pretty much everyone is a 2nd/3rd line tweener so why even have lines. Innovative, smart and obviously effective for them.

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Uggh, he replaces Bolland on the draw while Bolland is the the backup in case Johnson gets tossed. What part of that don't you get?

I am not debating the value of Johnson's all around play, the issue is how imprtant face offs are. You even make the case yourself. Why would we keep a roster spot for a one trick faceoff ace if it wasn't effin' huge?

Apparently Johnson winning draws trumps Bolland's defense in the eyes of the people who run the bench, is that not good enough for you?
Actually I did get that part because I wrote "why wouldn't he play wing in case Bolland is thrown out"... implying that if Johnson usually takes the draw and hypothetically putting him on the wing as the back-up if he could play defensively.

Honestly, you're making it seem that Johnson wins close to 100% of his draws. If that were the case, I'd love to see Johnson on the ice for every defensive draw regardless of the situation because it almost guarantees us possession immediately which is more likely to help us get out of our zone. Fact is, he still loses 4 out of 10 and I'd rather have Bolland out there to protect passing/shooting lanes and breaking out of our zone when the draw isn't won. If you're honestly trying to debate that faceoffs are more important than understanding positioning and reading the ice, then i'll quit now.d

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Give that both take 10 defensive zone draws:
Johnson wins 6, loses 4.
Bolland wins 5, loses 5.

Would you rather have Johnson as part of our break-out 6 times or Bolland 5 times?
Would you rather have Johnson as part of our defense in the defensive zone 4 times or Bolland 5 times?

To me, the answer is pretty clear. Johnson is useless offensively, meaning that one extra time of getting the puck out of the zone means nothing to our offense. Also, I'd rather have Bolland in our defensive zone every time than Johnson.

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03-02-2011, 03:25 PM
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Bolland really has nothing to do with this. The question is do we want Dowell out there losing draws on the 4th line with Pisani or Johnson winning them at a pretty good clip with Dowell....or Pisani. Johnson needs to be active so long as Toews is the only guy we can count on.

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Bolland really has nothing to do with this. The question is do we want Dowell out there losing draws on the 4th line with Pisani or Johnson winning them at a pretty good clip with Dowell....or Pisani. Johnson needs to be active so long as Toews is the only guy we can count on.
I know faceoffs are important but Johnson can literally do nothing as good as Dowell except faceoffs, where he has the edge. He's fine for now but once Pisani is healthy again, I'd honestly rather experiment with him at center than having Johnson out there consistently.

We need Ryan Johnson on our line-up full-time how we need John Scott our line-up full-time. It's useless to have a roster player who can literally only do 1 thing if there are others who can play a more well-rounded game.


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Just *** win!!!

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Maybe this will quantify it better for some. This accounts for all goals, I would assume a stronger correlation would be evident if broken out for short handed situations.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/faceoff.html

Let's go hawks!

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03-02-2011, 04:33 PM
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That Campbell-Campoli tandem has trouble written all over it

Put Seabs with Campbell and Hammer with Campoli

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That Campbell-Campoli tandem has trouble written all over it

Put Seabs with Campbell and Hammer with Campoli

???

Too much of the 'offensive defensman' type of thing goin' on or what??

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That Campbell-Campoli tandem has trouble written all over it

Put Seabs with Campbell and Hammer with Campoli
Disagree.

Both Campbell and Campoli have been solid defensively all season so far, even if Campoli did it on another team. No need to pre-judge how he'll do defensively here.

Give him a shot on the 2nd pairing, and if he doesn't impress, knock him down to the 3rd after 40-60 minutes.

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This is ********, 17 is absolutely horrible on the PK. Any gains from an occasional extra faceoff win are more than offset by his complete ineptitude at actually covering the point. This should be obvious now after Keith Yandle absolutely owned him all game the other night.
We were talking faceoffs and their importance. An "occasional" faceoff lost on a PK can mean you kill an entire penalty in your own zone (or until you get scored on, whichever comes first). Quit shooting your self in the foot with your ignorance of the game.

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I am not debating the value of Johnson's all around play, the issue is how imprtant face offs are. You even make the case yourself. Why would we keep a roster spot for a one trick faceoff ace if it wasn't effin' huge?

Apparently Johnson winning draws trumps Bolland's defense in the eyes of the people who run the bench, is that not good enough for you?
This argument would be a lot more valid if it weren't for the fact Johnson gets banished to the press box a *lot*. If Pisani was healthy, he would be back there right now. So this "trust the coaches" tack doesn't work very well.

Considering that winning faceoffs IS very important, and he is very good at them, that says something for his horrific ineptness after the puck is dropped.

Ryan Johnson has an all-star ability to win faceoffs, and AHL talent at best at everything afterwards. Canucks fans were right, this is not a guy you can have out there on the ice in the playoffs. Not finding a center at the trade deadline (or preferably months earlier) will probably end up being the biggest mistake since the season started for the Hawks.

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That Campbell-Campoli tandem has trouble written all over it

Put Seabs with Campbell and Hammer with Campoli
That is where a solid team game comes into play. 51, 7 and 2 have all been joining the rush much more lately, and it is a large part of our improved play. Besides, I can see Campoli playing a pretty simple game and not taking too many chances in his first few games in a new uniform. I look forward to it.

And Q will probably have him play with every dman in no time....

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That Campbell-Campoli tandem has trouble written all over it

Put Seabs with Campbell and Hammer with Campoli
Your posts have trouble written all over them lately. Campoli was Ottawas best defensive Dman this year, and Campbell has been our best all around Dman so far this year. To me, it has awesomeness written all over it.

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We were talking faceoffs and their importance. An "occasional" faceoff lost on a PK can mean you kill an entire penalty in your own zone (or until you get scored on, whichever comes first). Quit shooting your self in the foot with your ignorance of the game.
And you are the last person on the board who should be commenting on other people's "ignorance of the game". I would put massivegoonery up against you for that ten times out of ten. Heck, I would put a random nine year old girl pulled off the street in Ho Chi Minh City up against you and expect better than fifty fifty.

Have you even figured out who the Hawks farm team is yet?

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