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2009 Panthers - Flyers deal nixed by Florida's owner? (Bouwmeester)

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03-03-2011, 10:21 PM
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2009 Panthers - Flyers deal nixed by Florida's owner? (Bouwmeester)

According to former Minnesota Wild assistant-coach, Mario Tremblay, in 2009 when Jacques Martin was still Florida Panthers' GM he had a deal on the table with the Philadelphia Flyers which was including the following players:

To Philly
Jay Bouwmeester
Craig Anderson

To Florida
Claude Giroux

Still according to Tremblay, the deal was nixed at the last minute by the (Florida) team owner.

thoughts?
Would you have made this deal?

(might as well talk about this now that the trade deadline has passed)


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ownership. Hate it when they become meddlesome, if this is true, of course.

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03-03-2011, 10:25 PM
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Seems like Flyers are always better off for the deals they did not make.

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According to former Minnesota Wild assistant-coach, Mario Tremblay, when Jacques Martin was Florida Panthers' GM he had a deal on the table with the Philadelphia Flyers which was including the following players:

To Philly
Jay Bouwmeester
Craig Anderson

To Florida
Claude Giroux

Still according to Tremblay, the deal was nixed at the last minute by the (Florida) team owner.

thoughts?
Would you have made this deal?

(might as well talk about this now that the trade deadline has passed)
I heard that as well.


Hindsight?
Obviously (If I'm Martin)
At that time...
Not sure. There had to be something else from Philly - Depends which year it was, actually.

EDIT : If it was really 2009... I'd still do it, and the Flyers probably give some other minor piece. And they still end up screwed.

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Weren't Bouwmeester and Anderson both UFAs at the end of that season?

I don't know what Florida's owner was thinking and I don't get why the Flyers would make this trade (unless they had vastly different needs back then).

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Hmmm, hard to say.

Anderson could be a Vezina calibre goalie on the Flyers, while Jaybo certainly wouldnt have made them worse.

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If they do this, does the Pronger deal not happen? IIRC this would've taken place before the Pronger deal.

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Weren't Bouwmeester and Anderson both UFAs at the end of that season?

I don't know what Florida's owner was thinking and I don't get why the Flyers would make this trade (unless they had vastly different needs back then).
That year, the Panthers ended up 9th, and missed the playoffs due to a tie-breaker with the Habs. So the owner probably wanted to make the playoffs in order to get some additional money.

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Seems like Flyers are always better off for the deals they did not make.
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According to former Minnesota Wild assistant-coach, Mario Tremblay, in 2009 when Jacques Martin was still Florida Panthers' GM he had a deal on the table with the Philadelphia Flyers which was including the following players:

To Philly
Jay Bouwmeester
Craig Anderson

To Florida
Claude Giroux

Still according to Tremblay, the deal was nixed at the last minute by the (Florida) team owner.

thoughts?
Would you have made this deal?

(might as well talk about this now that the trade deadline has passed)

how does tremblay know? what are his connections to those negotiations?

if true: i hate alan cohen more than ever before. and i hated him with a fire of a thousand suns...

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03-04-2011, 12:35 AM
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That reminds me of this story about the Rangers having a done deal for Stamkos.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...Vq92kFkpEFVBMI
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By the time the Blueshirts visited Tampa on Thanksgiving of 2008, the talks had become serious. Barrie was asking to choose two or three from a wish list that featured Michael Del Zotto, Evgeny Grachev, Ryan Callahan, Brandon Dubinsky and Dan Girardi.

The deal, according to Sather, was struck. The Rangers would be getting Stamkos, who has scored 46 goals thus far this season, tied for second in the NHL with Alex Ovechkin and just one behind Sidney Crosby in the race for the Rocket Richard Trophy.

Oh, no, they wouldn't.

"How close did we come?" Sather asked rhetorically, repeating the question we posed to him as the Rangers practiced in Tampa on Thursday. "We shook hands on it, that's how close.

"I'd been on it since Europe. I had an agreement with Len Barrie. I asked him if he had the authority to make the trade, and he assured me that he did, because he was an owner.

"But the next day, I found out that he didn't. He went to run the deal by [GM] Brian Lawton, who wanted no part of it. As I understood it, the way it was told to me, Barrie was still going to make the deal, but then he was told that he couldn't unless he got the approval of [co-owner] Oren Koules.

"Koules shot it down," said Sather. "That was the end of it."
Sometimes ownership just needs to back off.

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I'm never surprised by any rumors I hear involving Alan Cohen anymore. He's the primary reason the Panthers are going to break the playoff-less record this season. Maybe the worst owner ever in pro sports history.

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Ugh, that Rags-Bolts deal is atrocious

No way I'd do:

Del Zotto, Dubinsky, Girardi for Stammer even back then. Hell, throw in a first I probably say no.

Glad Len Barrie is gone. You don't just deal the No. 1 overall pick 5 months after he's been drafted. Riots would ensue (well, maybe not in T-bay, but you get the point)

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That reminds me of this story about the Rangers having a done deal for Stamkos.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...Vq92kFkpEFVBMI


Sometimes ownership just needs to back off.
That just adds further proof that Len Barrie was and still is a complete idiot. Good thing there were others in that organization with a bit of sense not to do something so stupid (no offense to any of the Rangers players, but franchise players they are not).

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That reminds me of this story about the Rangers having a done deal for Stamkos.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...Vq92kFkpEFVBMI


Sometimes ownership just needs to back off.
Yikes, that would have been brutal for Tampa.

Luckily Koules shot that down.

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That reminds me of this story about the Rangers having a done deal for Stamkos.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...Vq92kFkpEFVBMI


Sometimes ownership just needs to back off.
Why exactly was Sather discussing a trade with an owner, and only a co-owner at that, rather than the actual GM? Rather than being one of those actual 'almost happened' trades it sounds more like Sather was trying to swindle a meddling owner who was taking too much of an interest in the daily affairs of his team.

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Why exactly was Sather discussing a trade with an owner, and only a co-owner at that, rather than the actual GM? Rather than being one of those actual 'almost happened' trades it sounds more like Sather was trying to swindle a meddling owner who was taking too much of an interest in the daily affairs of his team.
Can't fault him for trying to take advantage of an inept dummy. Look what happened to Gainey.

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So I guess we can assume that instead of this deal they traded for Pronger?

I guess Philly lucked out on that one, I'd prefer Pronger even with his long 35+ contract.

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This would have been a disaster. Flyers really lucked out. Pronger is about a hundred times the player Jaybo is and obviously Giroux was integral to their playoff run last season and might be their MVP this year and is one of the best young forwards in the league.

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Would've been huge for both teams. Florida needs the young talent, while Philly is so deep up front that they could afford to make this deal happen.

J-Bo and Pronger would be a scary duo. Probably the most effective in the league.

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That reminds me of this story about the Rangers having a done deal for Stamkos.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...Vq92kFkpEFVBMI


Sometimes ownership just needs to back off.
It was Tampa's owner that nixed it not New York's. You've got it backwards unless you're claiming that was a good return for Stamkos, which I doubt.

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that type of ignorance just screams cohen. thank god he isnt the main owner anymore. atleast now we have a guy who loves the game

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It was Tampa's owner that nixed it not New York's. You've got it backwards unless you're claiming that was a good return for Stamkos, which I doubt.
Sather was negotiating with Barrie(co-owner). It was the GM and other co-owner that nixed the deal. I'm saying Barrie needed to back off and let the GM do his job.

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I think Dubinsky, Del Zotto, Grachev, Girardi and Callahan is good return for Stamkos especially at the time. Stamkos' production right now is in large part due to St. Louis. Dubinsky is a beast this year too, and there'd be a bunch of pieces. You guys make it sound like a horrible trade.

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