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03-11-2011, 09:17 PM
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I just finished my biography on Vladimir Vikulov, thanks in part by VanI and triffy. Man did I just discovered who I believe is a very underrated hockey player. Here what I found:

- Goalscoring: A decent goalscorer on a second line in the ATD-level. 3-time Top-4 in goals in the USSR, with a plethora of 8th-to-10th finishes. 4-time Top-5 in goals at the World Championship. My feel is that Vikulov was a constant player through is lengtly career, and Vikulov is someone who will put decent goalscoring results regularly through an ATD season

- Playmaking: Many quotes recognize Vikulov as one of the most prolific playmaker of the 1960's-1970's. 4-time Top-5 in assists past his prime in the USSR, because unfortunately we don't have the information on his assist results from 1965 to 1971. He will be an excellent-to-elite playmaker on a secondary role in this draft.

- Speed: Although he seemed to have had some good speed in the link at the end of the biography, VMBM tells me that Vikulov was one of the slowest player on the National team. I havn't came across any evidence that talk, good or bad, of Vikulov speed, so I'll take his word for it.

- Defensive play: We had only assumption on Firsov defensive play, but I added up a couple of quotes from Valeri Kharlamov, proclaiming that when all three played together, they were intense backchecker who considered their defensive duty as important and were better in this regard than Kharlamov himself, Petrov and Mikhailov. It shows that at the very least that both Firsov and Vikulov were decent defensive player.

- Leadership: Again, very difficult to find those kind of infos, but Vikulov was an assistant captain for Russia in the 1976 Canada Cup. Dosn't say much, but the information is there.

- Longevity: Vikulov played 11 seasons of excellent hockey from 1966 to 1978. His prime years are from the 1966-67 season to the 1971-72 season.

- Awards/AS: This is an area where I was also left pleasantly surprise. When I read that Vikulov was a three time All-Star, I wanted to find if they were 1st or 2nd AS team. What I discovered is that not only he was a three-time FAST (1970, 1971, 1972), but prior to those season a three-time SAST and a lone TAST in his rookie season. Also he was 2nd, 3rd and 4th in MVP voting from 1970 to 1972 while having a string of decent finishes after his prime (9th, 10th, 11th, 15th). To summarize those years:

1967: SAST
1968: SAST, over Mikhailov (who score the same # of goals) and Maltsev
1969: SAST, over Maltsev
1970: FAST, over Mikhailov (who scored 15 more goals). Finish 4th in MVP voting over Kharlamov, Petrov, Mikhailov and Firsov
1971: FAST over Mikhailov (who scored 13 more goals). Finish 2nd in MVP voting over Kharlamov, Mikhailov, Maltsev, Petrov (well anyone but Firsov)
1972: FAST over Mikhailov. Finish 3rd in MVP Voting over Tretiak, Firsov, Yakushev, Mikhailov

It's quite surprising to see Vikulov getting those AS spot over Mikhailov, who outscore him in 3 of those season. Perhaps the voters recognize that Mikhailov played with two elite teammate and probably had more icetime or that Vikulov was more rounded. I definitely don't want to put words into voters mouth, but the fact remain astonishing. My question is: it is too far fetched to say that overall, Vikulov was almost-to-just as good of a hockey player than Mikhailov from 1967 to 1972? If so, why?

All in all, I think it's conservative to say that Vladimir Vikulov should be picked in the Top-350 in future draft. I definitely did not think I would select such a well rounded player who compared admiringly against the very the best Russian player of All-Time.

Am I overrating Vikulov here? If so, what am I missing? I feel a little dirty proclaiming a player should be taken 150+ spot over his ATD cannon, but I don't see why not in this case.

I would really love to hear the opinion on Vikulov. Again, you can find the uncensored biography in here (http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3...&postcount=120)


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03-11-2011, 09:23 PM
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With our 12th selection, the 477th overall selection in this year All-Time draft, the Detroit Falcons are extremely please to select RW/C Vladimir Ivanovich Vikulov



Russian Name: Владимир Викулов
Height: 5'9''
Weight: 176 lbs
Position: Right Wing / Centre
Shoots: Left
Date of Birth: July 20, 1946
Place of Birth: Moscow , USSR

Soviet League Champion (1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979)
Soviet League Finalist (1967, 1969)
Soviet First All-Star Team (1970, 1971, 1972)
Soviet Second All-Star Team (1967, 1968, 1969)
Soviet Third All-Star Team (1966)
Best Sniper Award (1972)
Trud Daily Award (Best Line) (1972)
Olympics Gold Medalist (1968, 1972)
IIHF WEC-A Gold Medalist (1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1975)
IIHF WEC-A Silver Medalist (1972)
IIHF WEC-A Bronze Medalist (1976)
IIHF WEC-A All Star Team1 (1971, 1972)
Russian Hockey Hall of Fame (1967)
1- The best 3 forwards were selected on the team, independently of their respective position

Domestic League:

SeasonsGPGAPTSPIM
16444283149421134
No Data:
Game Played: 1965-1967
Assists: 1965-1971
Penalty minutes: 1965-71


Top-10 Scoring (2th, 2th, 4th, 6th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 9th, 10th)
Top-10 Goalscoring (1st, 3rd, 4th, 8th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 10th, 10th)
Top-10 Assists (2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 8th)

- His scoring finishes are affected negatively due to not having his assists record from the 1964-65 season to the 1970-71 season


International Games:

(Exhibition Game, Olympics & World Championship)
Games by Opposing Countries
----CountryGPG
Canada4014
Sweden3814
Finland3524
Czechoslovakia347
United States1512
West Germany1414
Poland99
East Germany65
Switzerland24
Italy13
Japan12


World Championship:

# ParticipationGPGAPTSPIM
75845267110
No Data:
Assists: 1975


Years in Detail:

YearsGPG#A#PTS#PIM
1965-66748th221st617th2
1966-67765th66th125th6
1968-699238th410th1021st0
1969-701093rd57th145th0
1970-711064th58th115th0
1971-7210121st (+8.3%)417th162nd0
1974-755614thX X 0


Olympics:

In the 1960's and 1970's, no professional hockey player from North America were playing in the Olympics. Therefore, the World Championship and the Olympics should be viewed as equal tournaments in term of quality.

# ParticipationGPGAPTSPIM
212714212

Years in Detail:

YearGPG#A#PTS#PIM
19687232nd101st (+30%)122nd2
1972554th45th96th0


Other Tournament:

1972 Summit Series
YearGPG#A#PTS#PIM
1972629th125th319th0

1974 Summit Series
YearGPG#A#PTS#PIM
197440X44th46th0
- Results versus his own teammate only

1976 Canada Cup
YearGPG#A#PTS#PIM
1977444th317th77th0


Awards Nomination:

Most Valuable Player

SeasonsRanking
1969-704th
1970-712nd
1971-723rd
1973-7411th
1974-7511th
1975-7610th
1976-779th
1977-7815th
- The award was first presented in the 1967-68 season
- Outside the top-5, no information was available for the 1967-68 and 1968-69 season



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Vladimir Vikulov was an extremely skillful and creative forward with slick stick handling, impressive 1-on-1 techniques, rapid and accurate shots on goal and well-catered assists on goals scored by his partners.

Many famous players enjoyed the opportunity to play in one line with Vikulov considered one of the best Soviet playmakers in the 1960's and 1970's. The list of his career linemates included such world class individuals as Anatoly Firsov and xxx, Valery Kharlamov and Alexander Maltsev, xxx and xxx.

Overall, Vikulov was arguably one of the classiest Soviet forwards.
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Originally Posted by Arthur Chidlovski
5. Valery Kharlamov - Anatoly Firsov - Vladimir Vikulov
Team USSR and CSKA
Early 1970s

They didn't play very long together. One of the top offensive lines of the late 1960s, Firsov-xxx-Vikulov lost its center. Legendary Tarasov tried various players to replace xxx. Finally, he added Kharlamov to the famous linemates. "We didn't have to explain much to Valery," remembered Firsov. "It just clicked." Born out of Tarasov's experiments and attempts to extend hockey career of aging Red Army stars, the line is mostly remembered for its performance at the '72 Olympics. With Tarasov's retirement, Firsov left Team USSR and the Kharlamov-Maltsev-Vikulov line at the '72 Summit Series was a quick fixer-upper for a promising line.

6. xxx - xxx - Vladimir Vikulov
Team USSR and CSKA
Mid 1970s

They were the second line with the Red Army club and, briefly, with Team USSR in the 1970s. Small and speedy, xxx had a promising scoring touch. Never mind his small size - no giant defenseman was an authority to xxx when he was free-wheeling to the net. Vikulov had great soft hands and incredible playmaking talent. xxx was not a magnificent player but served as a very solid and reliable backbone of the line.
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During the Summit Series of 1972 that pitted Canadian professionals against Russian counterparts, the most dangerous Soviet line was comprised of Vladimir Vikulov, Alexander Matsev and Valeri Kharlamov.
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Originally Posted by Joe Pelletier's Greatest Hockey Legend
This allowed Tarasov to experiment with what was known as "the System." Instead of two conventional defenders backing up three forwards, Tarasov created a five man unit with only one true defender, the great Alexander Ragulin. Vladimir Vikulov and Anatoli Firsov were the explosive forwards, while xxx and Ivanov served as "semi-defensemen," almost like a mid-fielder in soccer. They would roam both ends of the ice, creating odd man situations in both the offensive and defensive zones. Ivanov's ability in both ends led to this revolutionary though still uncommon strategy.
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Originally Posted by 1972SummitSeries.com A September to Remember
Later in the period Vladimir Vikulov capitalized from the slot while Team Canada's defenders were hopelessly out of position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyers Alumni: Bobby Clarke
The series was looking more and more like an embarrassment for Team Canada. The Canadians arrived in Moscow one game down on their opponents. After the first game at the Luzhniki Sports Palace, the gap doubled. A mistake by Clarke in the final minutes of the game cost the Canadians a tie. He was trying to control the puck near the boards and shot a pass to his partner, xxx. But Valeri Kharlamov intercepted the pass and flipped the puck to Vladimir Vikulov, who beat Tony Esposito at the net.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sun (09/10/1976)
Vladimir Vikulov fired a strong wrist shot from the top Of the right face-Off circle that went, over Curran's shoulder at 2.41 of the second period.
Quotes:

''Vladimir Vikulov's winning goal in the first game in Moscow should have been historic. His goal almost guaranteed victory in the series. Everybody thought the same, including the Soviet players. Unfortunately, the Canadian players did not feel this way. They showed us that it's too early to celebrate victory.'' - Oleg Spassky, Russian Soviet coach

- ''I remember the opening faceoff. I knew this faceoff was symbolic. I didn't know why, but I really wanted to win it. At the last second, I decided not to fight for the puck. I thought it would look strange.'' - Vladimir Vikulov, remembering the 1974 Summit Series opening faceoff

- ''On the other hand - well, I was now playing side by side with Anatoly Firsov and Vladimir Vikulov, teammates who ruled out the possibility of playing badly right out. I have learned a lot and benefited greatly from playing in a new group.'' - Valeri Kharlamov

- ''In virtually every match Vikulov and Firsov demonstrate their creativity, improvise, and confound the opponent with one riddle after another - they were also doing a great deal of work, and very eagerly so, pulling back whenever they would lose the puck. So if I had played more offensively with my former partners (Petrov and Mikhailov), caring little about defence, now that I was on ice alongside such eminent players, it would be embarrassing to carry on playing instead of going back and helping them. To play any different from how they played or to work any less on the rink would be tantamount to disrespecting them.'' - Valeri Kharlamov


Fun and Interesting Facts:

- Vladimir Vikulov was an assistant captain in the 1976 Canada Cup
- In the 1972 Summit Series, Vladmir Vikulov and Phil Esposito took the ceremonial faceoff in Montreal
- In the 1972 Summit Series, Vikulov two goals of the series, in game four and game five, were both game winning goals
- Although it is unknown how many games Vikulov played at the centre position, he did played at that position at some point in 1974, alongside left winger xxx and right winger xxx


Abbreviation:
IIHF: International Ice Hockey Federation
WEC-A: World & European Championship Pool A


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Internet Sites:
http://www.sihrhockey.org/member_pla...layer_id=45700
http://www.chidlovski.net/1954/54_pl....asp?p_id=v004
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1...oster/ru18.htm
http://www.1972summitseries.com/vikulov.html
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1...ners/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vikulov
http://www.flyersalumni.org/clarke.htm
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=593025
http://www.bmsi.ru/doc/ca5414a6-4810...79ac3752/print
http://english.ruvr.ru/2008/07/02/201174.html
http://www.1972summitseries.com/game4recap.html
http://www.bmsi.ru/doc/ca5414a6-4810...79ac3752/print
http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/ind05kharlamov.htm


Special Thank You: Triffy, Sturminator, VanIslander


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03-11-2011, 09:59 PM
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I'm gonna be dead honest.. I REALLY don't see the point of freezing the clock for a one hour downtime. If he was gonna be here to make his pick by then, then he would have been here directly afterwards as well. If it was down for the whole day, OK, sure, I can understand that, but for one hour, there's no point whatsoever to extend the clock.. especially for one hour at 8 PM in the evening..

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Why is it fair for his clock to be eaten by down time. If the site is down, so is the clock. That's final.

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Why is it fair for his clock to be eaten by down time. If the site is down, so is the clock. That's final.
Maybe I'm an isolated case, but has the site actually gone down for anybody? Downtime was supposed to be 8 PM EST. I haven't had any disruption in posting or viewing.

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03-11-2011, 10:32 PM
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The clock was expired at 10h51 , considering the maintenance I can probably pick at 11h51 , is that correct?

anybody have something to say against this? if not I'm just gonna go ahead and pick at 11h51.

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Why is it fair for his clock to be eaten by down time. If the site is down, so is the clock. That's final.
I'd like to know why. Even if he gets skipped in that downtime, the next people can't post their picks either. If he doesn't come back by the time the site is back, he wasn't going to be posting his pick anyways. If he's back, he lets people know and posts his pick afterwards. Simple.

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Montreal Canadiens are proud to select coach Harry Sinden



Had to pick someone that coached good offensive teams with Gretzky as my captain , and I felt he was an appropriate choice.

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Montreal Canadiens are proud to select coach Harry Sinden



Had to pick someone that coached good offensive teams with Gretzky as my captain , and I felt he was an appropriate choice.
Best coach available IMO, nice pick up. Skip HHH, because he missed an earlier pick, Stoneberg OTC and notified.

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Best coach available IMO, nice pick up. Skip HHH, because he missed an earlier pick, Stoneberg OTC and notified.
yeah and even if he wasn't , he was one of the last that could work with a Gretzky-oriented team , I had some players really high on my list and it makes me sick not to draft them , but I had to take a appropriate coach while I still could.

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The Peterborough Petes select LW - Ryan Smyth

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vecens, Smyth must've been who you were talking about who you preferred over Morrow.

Smyth's offense 9 out of ten days > Morrow's offense
Morrow's defense and grit 10 out of 10 days > Smyth's defense and grit

Leadership is about equal.

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Ugh, sinden..... horribly overrated

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Ugh, sinden..... horribly overrated
He's fine for my team.

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The Mooseheads select their coach, Ken Hitchcock.

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Well, I guess Sinden is good for Gretzky team to the extent that you don't want to overcoach Gretzky...

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Had to pick someone that coached good offensive teams with Gretzky as my captain , and I felt he was an appropriate choice.
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He's fine for my team.
He coached good offensive teams. Did he coach them well?

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He coached good offensive teams. Did he coach them well?
they were in the top goal-for in the league and they won a cup.
offensive coaches list was getting short , maybe I missed someone , what the hell do you want me to say?

I'll deal with it.

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they were in the top goal-for in the league and they won a cup.
offensive coaches list was getting short , maybe I missed someone , what the hell do you want me to say?

I'll deal with it.
No need to get testy.

Not trying to compare Sinden to other coaches who may or may not be available, so much as getting a feel for him and why he gets taken as high as he does.

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Meh, for me, coaches don't matter all that much when it comes time to comparing teams - more of a tiebreaker if two teams are really close. It explains why I never take one too early.

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No need to get testy.

Not trying to compare Sinden to other coaches who may or may not be available, so much as getting a feel for him and why he gets taken as high as he does.
sorry , was not my intention

the reason I picked him was ''specific need'' and those ''specific need'' getting picked very fast.I didn't want to end up with a bunch of ****** or none-winner offensive coaches for my next pick.


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vecens, Smyth must've been who you were talking about who you preferred over Morrow.

Smyth's offense 9 out of ten days > Morrow's offense
Morrow's defense and grit 10 out of 10 days > Smyth's defense and grit

Leadership is about equal.
No, the guy I'm talking about plays the other wing. Haven't gone entirely through today's thread, but I'm fairly certain he hasn't been taken.

I'm fairly certain that for a 3rd line role I'd take Morrow of Smyth. For a 4th line I think it's about even between those two, but for a third line role there's a guy on the other wing from that era I like more.

EDIT: no he hasn't been taken.

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The Mooseheads select their coach, Ken Hitchcock.
There went the BCA, imo.

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There went the BCA, imo.
Agreed. He's the other guy we were between with Burns.

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Hitchcock is a shame to hockey none the less.

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