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John Vanbiesbrouck vs Mike Richter

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09-07-2012, 10:39 PM
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It would've been interesting comparing both guys had they both played on a defensively minded teams. I always liked Beezer, but felt a trap playing team made him look a lot better than he was. I didn't think there was some zen level he found all of a sudden in his 30s.

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93 Rangers team is probably the most talented team ever that flat out SUCKED. (No clue why they were so awful I was still young but its mind boggling they had that bad a year between 92 and 94 teams which were legendary.) So that works against Beezer.

I thought Van Beezbrook was always better and was unsure why Richter was chosen over him for USA. I think the 94 Cup win is why though. So overall Van Beisbrook is the better goalie but Richters cup in 94 somehow gives him the nod for the better career because it resulted in him being the goalie for team USA. But late 90s Van Beisbrook on Florida was better than Richter on the Rangers.
Richter was the starting goalie for team USA from the moment he turned pro until he retired. Vanbiesbrouck was his backup in the 91 Canada Cup.

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As a Richter-idolizer, I always feel very upset that injuries and crappy Rangers teams in the late 90s took away from what could have been an extraordinary legacy.
His mask is inked on my arm, he was the best part of the 1990s Rangers. Some are too young to remember, but just like the King currently does, Richter was the entire team on MANY MANY occasions. Recall the skills competitions, IMO it wasn't a question who the best one on one goaltender of the 1990s. One hell of a penalty shot record too.

I never thought anyone would compare for our team until a 205th overall pick sat in the throne.

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09-12-2012, 04:55 PM
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It would've been interesting comparing both guys had they both played on a defensively minded teams. I always liked Beezer, but felt a trap playing team made him look a lot better than he was. I didn't think there was some zen level he found all of a sudden in his 30s.
Beezer, on the 10 games he played for NJ was better looking than Brodeur ever was. Beezer was probably the best positional goaltender I've seen, and behind that Stevens led D...I'll never forget it.

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09-12-2012, 09:59 PM
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I'd give the slight edge to Richter. Both great goalies though.

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09-12-2012, 10:56 PM
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I would pick Richter

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09-13-2012, 03:31 PM
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This sums it up. Richter was also the better person.
what? I've met Beezer twice and he was one of the most decent, humble, human beings I've ever met. He loved talking about hockey, heck he carried most of the conversation.

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09-13-2012, 03:33 PM
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what? I've met Beezer twice and he was one of the most decent, humble, human beings I've ever met. He loved talking about hockey, heck he carried most of the conversation.
He's probably talking about this:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2003/...uck030310.html

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09-13-2012, 03:37 PM
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meh, we've all had outbursts like that (ex. kramer at the comedy club) you just have to hope nobody is around to hear or record it! ha...I'm sure he didn't mean it. Just lost his head for a second...that doesn't make you a bad human being.

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Beezer is a calm kind of guy so my guess is that when he gets pissed off he blacks out. I bet most of us have said things we regret. Not saying its an excuse but lets not define a person by one act.

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It's always older posters who say "let's excuse the guy for being a little temporarily racist!"

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So now he is worse goalie becasue he said something?

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It's always older posters who say "let's excuse the guy for being a little temporarily racist!"
I'm jewish. I know all about segregation and racial slurs in Canada. That why I said, " Not saying its an excuse but lets not define a person by one act.".

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I take Vanbiesbrouck pretty easily. Vezina trophy, ability to carry teams on his back (Richter could not have carried the Panthers to the finals, greater longevity.

I think a closer comparison would be Vanbiesbrouck vs. Kolzig.

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It's always older posters who say "let's excuse the guy for being a little temporarily racist!"
Lets put things in perspective...he didnt lynch anybody, he didnt threaten anybodys life at gunpoint, he didnt get drunk and kill anybody with his car, he didnt steal tons of money from innocent people.

Couple of wrong words which I'm sure he regrets, and 90% of the people around here have said or thought the same things at some point and now are criticising him. Hypocrites! He lost his cool for a second...he's not a member of thr aryan nation for petes sake!

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Lets put things in perspective...he didnt lynch anybody, he didnt threaten anybodys life at gunpoint, he didnt get drunk and kill anybody with his car, he didnt steal tons of money from innocent people.

Couple of wrong words which I'm sure he regrets, and 90% of the people around here have said or thought the same things at some point and now are criticising him. Hypocrites! He lost his cool for a second...he's not a member of thr aryan nation for petes sake!
This has been discussed ad nauseum. He called a child he was hired to coach a slur. There's nothing else to see here.

Hopefully people will continue to pretend it impacts his resume as a goalie and subsequently make their leaps. I'm just waiting for the discussions on gentrification.

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09-15-2012, 06:28 AM
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Beezer's 1996 Cup run was the stuff of legend, they had NO BUSINESS being there at all, not to mention he had a sweet helmet with the Panthers, I vote for him even though Richter was still awesome, both great goalies.

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09-15-2012, 09:15 AM
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It's always older posters who say "let's excuse the guy for being a little temporarily racist!"
it's always the older posters who say, "...and 90% of the people around here have said or thought the same things at some point." (not all of the older posters, mind you; but it's always an older poster)

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It's always older posters who say "let's excuse the guy for being a little temporarily racist!"
You could take this post a couple of different ways.

It could just as easily mean "the older posters have more life experience, so maybe we should listen to what they are saying."

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