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03-05-2011, 12:42 PM
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I'd give up Stafford AND Ennis to get Spezza.

Like him or not he is what we need.

1st, Ennis & Foligno I wouldn't even think twice even if it is to a div. rival. Too much is made of that anyway.

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03-05-2011, 12:50 PM
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Spezza is a top 10 center , Ennis+foligno + 1st please .

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Tough to buy into any of this. They're such a clandestine organization, and all of their trades come out of nowhere, and are almost never speculated about before they happen.
Sure, but there are always two organizations in play (ergo the Senators' side could have talked) and this would be a major trade, meaning the hounds would be sniffing around.

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I'd give up Ennis for a good center but not in division and especially not to the Sens.
I don't really understand the old "not in a division" stuff. If it's a trade that makes you better but perhaps improves the other team more than yours then it at least makes sense, even though you'd be improving your team where every other team in the league has not improved and I think you should do it. However, when the trade doesn't make the other team better now and only has the chance to abstractly improve them in the future by providing them various different opportunities to make other moves (via capspace), then I don't really even get the concern.

Ennis for Spezza certainly makes them a worse team now and they really have to get lucky with that cap space/draft pick/etc to have definitively improved more in the longterm than the Sabres have. Too much of a crapshoot to worry about that aspect, imo. As for the other considerations of the trade, if they wanted to swap Ennis in for one of the players in that stated deal then it was probably a tad too steep. I would have loved getting that deal done for the stated speculated offer.

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03-05-2011, 01:23 PM
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Yeah, I don't agree with the "division rivalry" being so important. It's not like the 80s and early 90s playoff seeding was divisional and divisions really mattered.

Besides, they would be sending us their best player.

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03-05-2011, 01:43 PM
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Yeah, I don't agree with the "division rivalry" being so important. It's not like the 80s and early 90s playoff seeding was divisional and divisions really mattered.

Besides, they would be sending us their best player.
Exactly my thoughts.

Getting a bona fide top line C in Spezza without having to give up any major piece of the team at the moment would be a massive step forward.

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03-05-2011, 01:46 PM
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Spezza is a top 10 center , Ennis+foligno + 1st please .
Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Toews, Sedin, Stamkos, Richards, Backstrom. And that's not even counting Thornton, Koivu, Kopitar, Richards, Giroux, Kesler, etc, etc etc.

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03-05-2011, 01:49 PM
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Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Toews, Sedin, Stamkos, Richards, Backstrom. And that's not even counting Thornton, Koivu, Kopitar, Richards, Giroux, Kesler, etc, etc etc.
Yadda yadda.

He is on a par with most of that group. He is a legit first liner still in his prime. He is without doubt a top 15 centre and therefore I class him as a 1a.

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03-05-2011, 03:14 PM
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I was pretty sure I heard him say bigger players, not bigger names. I took it as he was looking to add size.

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No thanks i don't want another Tim Connolly

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03-05-2011, 07:37 PM
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Yeah, I don't agree with the "division rivalry" being so important. It's not like the 80s and early 90s playoff seeding was divisional and divisions really mattered.

Besides, they would be sending us their best player.
Spezza doesn't seem to me to be enough of a difference maker to send a guy who could potentially be one to a team we're going to see 6 times a year. It's easier to make a mistake on a prospect who blows up if you send them to the western conference and don't have to deal with them again. But hey, I've been wrong before.

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The past 2 seasons, Spezza averaged 71gp 28g 65pts.

And his 0.73 pts/gp this season is around 80th in the NHL.

That's not the type of production I want to give up a 1st and two good prospects for when he costs $7M per year for 4 more years.

I'd rather let another team gamble on Spezza getting his game back on track.

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No thanks for Spezza. I like the idea of something like 1st + Adam + Foglino for Stastny though.

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I heard they made an offer for Spezza, and he fits the criteria Darcy mentioned - injuries, contract 5 years, etc
This happened.

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This happened.
i've heard this various places.

i'll say one thing... this could be the best Sabres offseason ever...

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Tough to buy into any of this. They're such a clandestine organization, and all of their trades come out of nowhere, and are almost never speculated about before they happen.
I very much agree with this. The next time a rumored trade with the Sabres comes true will be the first time.

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03-05-2011, 11:42 PM
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I don't like Spezza, either, but he'd clearly be an upgrade to what's already here.

Of course, Darcy can always bring Daniel Briere back, too. That'd be OK with me.

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03-06-2011, 06:01 AM
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No thanks for Spezza. I like the idea of something like 1st + Adam + Foglino for Stastny though.
Colorado wouldn't.

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I know it's odd, but did anyone by any chance catch on the night we got Boyes, there were some videos on the Sabres site interviewing Ruff, Montador, and Connolly on the Boyes trade. When I clicked on the video to see Ruff's interview, it instead showed a video of highlights of Mike Ribeiro as a Star.

Weird, but it made me think a potential deal could have been in place even though the odds are small. Why would our site have Ribeiro anywhere on it?

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03-06-2011, 06:38 AM
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I don't like Spezza, either, but he'd clearly be an upgrade to what's already here.

Of course, Darcy can always bring Daniel Briere back, too. That'd be OK with me.
It'd be okay with me too, but I'm sure it wouldn't be with Danny. Not after that whole fiasco on the dreaded day of 7/1/07.

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This happened.
I seem to recall you having inside info before so I will definately take this as fact... As Jame said, it really is going to be an interesting off season, I cant wait!

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03-06-2011, 07:15 AM
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I know it's odd, but did anyone by any chance catch on the night we got Boyes, there were some videos on the Sabres site interviewing Ruff, Montador, and Connolly on the Boyes trade. When I clicked on the video to see Ruff's interview, it instead showed a video of highlights of Mike Ribeiro as a Star.

Weird, but it made me think a potential deal could have been in place even though the odds are small. Why would our site have Ribeiro anywhere on it?
That's interesting. It reminds me of a time when a mocked up pic of Alexei Kovalev turned up on the Sabres homepage a while ago (I think before he got traded to Montreal).

I'd be fine with a Ribeiro for Stafford/Pominville swap - however I still wouldn't put him in the same lieague as the likes of Stastny or Spezza. More of a 1b/2a type.

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i've heard this various places.

i'll say one thing... this could be the best Sabres offseason ever...
Or the worst if they emulate the Rangers......

It's not how much you spend, it's how you spend it.

I don't think Spezza is a guy that you can build a Cup winner around.

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03-06-2011, 07:42 AM
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I don't like Spezza, either, but he'd clearly be an upgrade to what's already here.
Spezza from a few years ago, maybe.

But he has 4 more years at $7M per.

And depending on how much Myers gets in the summer of 2012, adding Spezza's deal could really handcuff the Sabres if he continues to be a mediocre point producer moving forward.

I'd much rather pay more for Richards and not give up anything than roll the dice on Spezza getting back to where he used to be.

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I'd much rather pay more for Richards and not give up anything than roll the dice on Spezza getting back to where he used to be.
I agree. Richards is a proven winner, a leader, and less of a risk. Spezza is a good player, but he's not who I want them to target in the offseason. He's always reminded me of a 'better Connolly'.

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