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11-22-2009, 09:22 PM
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Leclaire or Vermette?

We've seen Leclaire in action for 14 games now. So, my question is who would you rather have right now?

Would you rather be in our current situation with Snoopy as our starter and Lehner in the future?

Or would you rather have Antoine Vermette?

This is not a Leclaire bashing thread BTW, I've been very impressed with Leclaire so far. I just started this thread for the purpose of conversation.

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11-22-2009, 09:24 PM
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Our PK and secondary scoring have been just fine without him, and Leclaire has been decent all round. Pascal by a Big Country mile.

Besides, Antoine is a 60 point player with the Blue Jackets and used in all situations so I'm glad it worked out for him.

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Leclaire hands down.

I love Vermy and think he's a great player but I think he'd reached the end of the line in Ottawa. He needed to get out to take it to the next level and by all accounts he's played fantastic with the Jackets.

Solid goalkeeping or an amazing third liner or decent second line player is what i think it boils down too.

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11-22-2009, 09:25 PM
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Craig Anderson would have been pretty sweet instead.

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Leclaire > Elliot, Lehner is still years away from being a starter in Ottawa. I think it's best for both teams, Vermette is too good to be playing on the third line here.

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Leclaire + Lehner = highway robbery

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Craig Anderson would have been pretty sweet instead.
He's not used to playing a full season, I wonder if that will effect anything in say 20 games.

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11-22-2009, 09:30 PM
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Great trade for both sides (though Mason is struggling). Leclaire for the present, Elliott for the short term future, Lehner long term is beautiful goaltending depth. Vermette is doing well in Columbus.

I like to say we won by quality of player, but both teams improved IMO.

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We all love Vermette and he's a great player, but honestly, the team is not really missing him much. Leclaire is key to the Sens success.

Also, Lehner is a monster.

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Wow, this is way more lop-sided than I expected lol

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11-22-2009, 09:33 PM
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He's not used to playing a full season, I wonder if that will effect anything in say 20 games.
Elliott could handle ~25 games, and Anderson could play the rest. Keeping Vermette could also have meant not re-signing useless Shannon.

Hypothetical world:

Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Vermette-Regin-Neil/Cheechoo
Ruutu-Kelly-Cheechoo/Neil

Ex: Donovan/Winchester

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Vermette would've been stuck on the 3rd line again, so no way he would be a 60 pts player here like he is in Columbus. Anderson is doing well right now but I doubt it will last, I prefer Pascal. I was sad to see Vermy go and we do miss the guy on the PK and sometimes on the draws but I'm very happy to have Leclaire and looking forward to see how Lehner develops.

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11-22-2009, 09:42 PM
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Elliott could handle ~25 games, and Anderson could play the rest. Keeping Vermette could also have meant not re-signing useless Shannon.

Hypothetical world:

Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Foligno-Fisher-Kovalev
Vermette-Regin-Neil/Cheechoo
Ruutu-Kelly-Cheechoo/Neil

Ex: Donovan/Winchester
Good point, because we all knew at the time that Anderson:

1. Was guaranteed not to re-sign with Florida.
2. Would definitely sign in Ottawa.
3. Could handle being an NHL starter for 50-60 games a season.

Murray missed the 20/20 hindsight hypothetical world boat again.

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Good point, because we all knew at the time that Anderson:

1. Was guaranteed not to re-sign with Florida.
2. Would definitely sign in Ottawa.
3. Could handle being an NHL starter for 50-60 games a season.

Murray missed the 20/20 hindsight hypothetical world boat again.
This trade hinges on how well Lehner develops. Leclaire has provided adequate goaltending, but we could have addressed that through free agency - Anderson was one option.

It's really ridiculous to see everyone heap praise on Lehner - just look at Justin Pogge and all the hype he got! Or tons of other failed goalie prospects! Mathieu Chouinard for gods sake! Things are looking good now, but Lehner has a long way to go.

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This thread is silly. Leclaire has provided stability in net for the first time in ages. Fisher is scoring goals which has really made me forget about Vermette. Easily the best transaction Bryan Murray has made in his tenure here in Ottawa.

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This deal seems like it's one of the better win-win deals in recent memory. Vermette has really fit in well on the Blue Jackets roster, and getting opportunities that he wasn't going to get here (especially with Fisher's performance this season). At the same time, Leclaire has come in and accomplished something very difficult, which is to get the confidence of this Ottawa team after all of the goalie issues of the last few years.

Both teams are better for it, and, both of the individual players are better for it. This is the type of deal that you wish all hockey deals can be like.

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Good point, because we all knew at the time that Anderson:

1. Was guaranteed not to re-sign with Florida.
2. Would definitely sign in Ottawa.
3. Could handle being an NHL starter for 50-60 games a season.

Murray missed the 20/20 hindsight hypothetical world boat again.
Exactly, these comparisons to Anderson are completely stupid.

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Easily LeClaire..

LeClaire has the potential to be one of if not the best goalie we have ever had..

Alright this is were Im getting at..

Who could make the bigger impact on our organization

LeClaire, or Vermette?

Goaltending has been one of the smallest issues here in Ottawa this season..
When was the last time we could say that?


Yes we could have signed Anderson, just as we did Martin Gerber and Dominik Hasek, and of course those worked out terrifically.


I would have traded Vermette for LeClaire even without the 2nd round pick, but even that ended looking like we got a pretty damn goaltender from that as well..

I one trade it looks like we could have cured the biggest problem this team has ever had going for it and that was goaltending..

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Good point, because we all knew at the time that Anderson:

1. Was guaranteed not to re-sign with Florida.
2. Would definitely sign in Ottawa.
3. Could handle being an NHL starter for 50-60 games a season.

Murray missed the 20/20 hindsight hypothetical world boat again.
Haha, when you aren't getting down on Fisher, you're an alright guy. I agree here. Anderson now, the solid starter in Colorado =/= Anderson 6 months ago, the sometimes spectacular back up in Florida. If it was obvious he would have been a good starter, a lot of teams would have jumped on him. Instead he got buried to the seemingly dead Avs and it looks like a good, albeit lucky, fit.

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This trade hinges on how well Lehner develops. Leclaire has provided adequate goaltending, but we could have addressed that through free agency - Anderson was one option.

It's really ridiculous to see everyone heap praise on Lehner - just look at Justin Pogge and all the hype he got! Or tons of other failed goalie prospects! Mathieu Chouinard for gods sake! Things are looking good now, but Lehner has a long way to go.
Perhaps but IMO Lehner is actually fantastic. He's big, technical and has good reflexes and is 18. His dad is a world class goalie coach so there's likely depth to his mental game. There is nothing to not like about the kid. Based on what I've seen from him, he could easily be in the AHL, perhaps even call up NHL duty (1-2 games). He's that good.

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This thread is silly. Leclaire has provided stability in net for the first time in ages. Fisher is scoring goals which has really made me forget about Vermette. Easily the best transaction Bryan Murray has made in his tenure here in Ottawa.
It is. I just got the idea in my head and wanted to see what other people though. Granted, I have seen a couple of Leclaire bashers and I figured at least one of them would see the thread and post on it, but so far, nothing. The fact that it's so lop-sided makes this thread even more pointless.

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11-22-2009, 10:00 PM
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I love Vermette as a player, but damn, how can you say no to Leclaire and Lehner?

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Haha, when you aren't getting down on Fisher, you're an alright guy. I agree here. Anderson now, the solid starter in Colorado =/= Anderson 6 months ago, the sometimes spectacular back up in Florida. If it was obvious he would have been a good starter, a lot of teams would have jumped on him. Instead he got buried to the seemingly dead Avs and it looks like a good, albeit lucky, fit.
Vermette was another player I wasted too much time defending Fisher against. Probably 90% of this board wanted Vermette over Fisher as our 2nd line C. So I'm not exactly impartial.

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Leclaire has been more important for us than Vermette would've been, so Leclaire for me, although I still wish we had Vermette

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Even if we hadn't of made this trade, we would either have to trade him in the future or let him walk at the end of this year (im pretty sure he would be a UFA). Theres no way we could justify paying what Columbus is going to be paying in the next 5 years ($3.75 M). For this team Leclaire has alot more upside then Vermette does.

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Exactly, these comparisons to Anderson are completely stupid.
Almost as stupid as people saying we won the trade because of Lehner...

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