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03-12-2011, 09:40 PM
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Jordan Staal to Nashville

For Hornqvist, Smithson, and Watson.

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03-12-2011, 09:44 PM
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Surprisngly not bad, don't know if Pittsburgh would do it, and Nashville is loaded with centers, but it's not awful.

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That's a deal I would do as a Pens fan. Dunno about Preds though as mentioned they're pretty deep up the middle.

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Pittsburgh fans a year ago wouldn't trade Staal for Kessel, and a package built around Hornqvist as the main piece coming back is more attractive?

Not saying I'd do Kessel for Staal as a Leafs fan. I won't do it in a million years, but its funny how Staal's value is slowly deteriorating, even in the eyes of Pens fans.

If I'm Pittsburgh though, I won't give him up and let him be a staple on their 3rd line. The formula of Crosby, Malkin, and Staal has worked for them in the past, and they should stick with it.

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I don't see Nashville going for it.

Nashville needs a real #1 center. They already have O'reilly, Fisher, Legwand, etc. Staal is pretty redundant.

And with his salary for what he brings, I don't think that he would be attractive financially.

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Pittsburgh fans a year ago wouldn't trade Staal for Kessel, and a package built around Hornqvist as the main piece coming back is more attractive?

Not saying I'd do Kessel for Staal as a Leafs fan. I won't do it in a million years, but its funny how Staal's value is slowly deteriorating, even in the eyes of Pens fans.

If I'm Pittsburgh though, I won't give him up and let him be a staple on their 3rd line. The formula of Crosby, Malkin, and Staal has worked for them in the past, and they should stick with it.
Hornqvist is a better fit for the Pens than Kessel, considering price, style, and attitude. Let's not make this thread about the Leafs.

The Pens also have two players who have emerged in the last year as capable 3rd line centers: Jeffrey and Letestu.

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I'd do it from a Pens pov.

I don't see the need from Nashville's side with Fisher there now.

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Hornqvist is a better fit for the Pens than Kessel, considering price, style, and attitude. Let's not make this thread about the Leafs.

The Pens also have two players who have emerged in the last year as capable 3rd line centers: Jeffrey and Letestu.
I was about to type that.

Hornqvist is a Bylsma type player. He's Tomas Holmstrom 2.0, and he'd look fantastic on the Pens powerplay.

Honestly, I think Staal for Hornqvist + filler might be a good deal for both teams. Watson is too much imo.

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I don't see Nashville going for it.

Nashville needs a real #1 center. They already have O'reilly, Fisher, Legwand, etc. Staal is pretty redundant.


And with his salary for what he brings, I don't think that he would be attractive financially.
That's a fair argument. I guess it depends on how they assess Staal's upside.

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That's a fair argument. I guess it depends on how they assess Staal's upside.
He's not a 1st line C, nor do I think he'll ever be one. He's never produced numbers offensively in any league, whether junior or up here.

What you have with Staal is a very capable two-way C that any team would love to have, but if I'm Nashville, I don't trade Hornqvist for Staal.

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I'd do that in a second because from what I've seen so far Staal>Fisher. Unfortunately we sunk our money into Fisher and we have Lombardi making 3.5 a year sitting out. Preds aren't adding anymore big money centers.

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Staal to Nashville doesn't make much sense. They need a 1st liner only.

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For Hornqvist, Smithson, and Watson.

Thoughts?
What's so good about Smithson and Watson? don't know anything about them.

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What's so good about Smithson and Watson? don't know anything about them.
Smithson's a big physical bottom 6 center who can PK and win faceoffs, and Watson's a big RH shot RW/C prospect who plays solid two-way hockey. Models his game after Staal's.

We'd get a good young scoring RW, a big center who could replace some of Staal's size and defense, and a quality prospect.

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What's so good about Smithson and Watson? don't know anything about them.
Watson is like a winger version of Mike Fisher.

Smithson is a solid 4th line center.

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Smithson's a big physical bottom 6 center who can PK and win faceoffs, and Watson's a big RH shot RW/C prospect who plays solid two-way hockey. Models his game after Staal's.

We'd get a good young scoring RW, a big center who could replace some of Staal's size and defense, and a quality prospect.
Then i'm down for this trade! Our future can look like this:

Kunitz-Crosby-Hornqvist
Neal-Malkin-Bennett
Tangradi-Letestu-Watson
Cooke-Smithson-TK
Adams?

Look at how PHYSICAL that forward lineup is...

Orpik-Letang
Martin-Michalek
Despres-Eng

Fleury
Thiessen

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I think Nashville gets ****ed hard. Staal isn't that great.

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I think Nashville gets ****ed hard. Staal isn't that great.
Not worth that package for sure!

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I think Nashville gets ****ed hard. Staal isn't that great.
Provided people recognize that Staal for Hornqvist is the meat of the deal, I'm curious as to why they believe Nashville shouldn't be adding significant sweetener.

Staal is much bigger, younger, has put up comparable offensive numbers, is much better defensively, and a proven playoff performer. To me, those advantages justify the addition of a 4th line center to help mitigate the defensive loss, and a recent late 1st round prospect (not even Nashville's best prospect in the PF mold) to compensate for the lost upside.

Hornqvist's better contract and Staal's impressive playoff resume even each other out.


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Maybe something going back to Nashville to even it out. Do Nashville have a spot for Staal with Wilson, O'Reilly and Fisher?

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Pittsburgh fans a year ago wouldn't trade Staal for Kessel, and a package built around Hornqvist as the main piece coming back is more attractive?

Not saying I'd do Kessel for Staal as a Leafs fan. I won't do it in a million years, but its funny how Staal's value is slowly deteriorating, even in the eyes of Pens fans.

If I'm Pittsburgh though, I won't give him up and let him be a staple on their 3rd line. The formula of Crosby, Malkin, and Staal has worked for them in the past, and they should stick with it.
Hornqvist can do something in his own end. He has a good shot plus can give goalies hell with his size and will to go to the front of the net.

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Maybe something going back to Nashville to even it out. Do Nashville have a spot for Staal with Wilson, O'Reilly and Fisher?
Yeah, I forgot about the Fisher acquisition when I proposed the deal. Staal looks to be more of what the Preds already have...at least right now.

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Hornqvist can do something in his own end. He has a good shot plus can give goalies hell with his size and will to go to the front of the net.
Hillarious. Pittsburgh has a formidable bottom six and arguably the best defensive core in the league when healthy. They can afford one pure finisher and one can imagine how a guy like Kessel would be on Crosby's line. But that's another topic.

Still don't think Pittsburgh should trade Staal, or Nashville should give up this much. But sooner or later, a team will overpay for Staal and I hope my team is not it.

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Yes Nashville has center depth and there are two centers playing wing right now: Wilson and Spaling. Nashville right now needs an upgrade on wing. If you look at the center depth next year

Lombardi (If he comes back)
Legwand
O'Reilly-Fisher-Wilson
Smithson-Spaling

Wings will be Kostitsyn, Erat, Ward (If re-signed), Dumont (If NOT bought out), Halischuk, and maybe Geoffrion.

Nashville needs a goal scoring wing to upgrade Dumont. IF Stall can do that then maybe but it's a lot from Nashville's point of view.

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Hillarious. Pittsburgh has a formidable bottom six and arguably the best defensive core in the league when healthy. They can afford one pure finisher and one can imagine how a guy like Kessel would be on Crosby's line. But that's another topic.

Still don't think Pittsburgh should trade Staal, or Nashville should give up this much. But sooner or later, a team will overpay for Staal and I hope my team is not it.
This thread has nothing to do with Kessel. Why are you bringing him up?

Kessel is not a Pittsburgh player. Hornqvist and Watson, specifically, are. I don't know anything about Smithson.

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