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2011 Mid-Season Prospect Poll: Who's #4?

View Poll Results: Midseason #4 prospect
T.J. Brennan (D) 4 7.14%
Paul Byron (C) 1 1.79%
Marcus Foligno (LW) 5 8.93%
Jerome Gauthier-Leduc (D) 0 0%
Matt MacKenzie (D) 0 0%
Brayden McNabb (D) 28 50.00%
Mark Pysyk (D) 14 25.00%
Drew Schiestel (D) 3 5.36%
Kevin Sundher (C) 0 0%
Corey Tropp (RW) 1 1.79%
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2011 Mid-Season Prospect Poll: Who's #4?

1. Zack Kassian (RW, OHL): 41 of 53, 77.36%
2. Jhonas Enroth (G, AHL): 33 of 48, 68.75%
3. Luke Adam (C, AHL): 31 of 47, 65.96%


JGL added is the lastest addition.

Candidates:

F: Riley Boychuk, Philip Gogulla, Cedrick Henley, Christian Isackson, Justin Jokinen, Jacob Lagace, Maxime Legault, Felix Schutz, Steven Shipley, Gregg Sutch, Travis Turnbull

D: Mark Adams, Alex Biega, Vjacheslav Buravchikov, Nick Crawford, Corey Fienhage, Jerome Gauthier-Leduc, Drew MacKenzie, Dennis Persson

G: Brad Eidsness, Nick Eno, Connor Knapp

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McNabb/Biega again.

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Pysyk. I love McNabb, and people will be enamored with his blend of size, aggressiveness, and recent scoring, but Pysyk has fewer flaws in his game and will likely be the better NHL player. He's just such a smooth skater and quality defender. His offense is growing steadily, as well. He gets all the hardest assignments and does very well with them, despite being on a fairly average team in the WHL.

Pysyk gets my vote.

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Schiestel again.

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Pysyk. I love McNabb, and people will be enamored with his blend of size, aggressiveness, and recent scoring, but Pysyk has fewer flaws in his game and will likely be the better NHL player. He's just such a smooth skater and quality defender. His offense is growing steadily, as well. He gets all the hardest assignments and does very well with them, despite being on a fairly average team in the WHL.

Pysyk gets my vote.
sry, but I've to go with the organizational need: That's thoughness and size imo.
So I tak McNabb

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Pysyk. I love McNabb, and people will be enamored with his blend of size, aggressiveness, and recent scoring, but Pysyk has fewer flaws in his game and will likely be the better NHL player. He's just such a smooth skater and quality defender. His offense is growing steadily, as well. He gets all the hardest assignments and does very well with them, despite being on a fairly average team in the WHL.

Pysyk gets my vote.
I'm not sure why anyone would vote Pysyk or McNabb over Schiestel, unless they feel the injury is a MAJOR setback.

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Pysyk all the way. I think there's a couple of good players left, but I think Pysyk is the closest to a surefire NHLer on here. But Like I said before, I base my votes on talent and ceiling. There may be players on here more badly needed in the Sabres system, but IMO that doesn't make them a better prospect.

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I'm not sure why anyone would vote Pysyk or McNabb over Schiestel, unless they feel the injury is a MAJOR setback.
Well I have to say that I can't understand your mancrush on schiestel. Pysyk is much more talented and has way more potential than drew, imo.

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I'm not sure why anyone would vote Pysyk or McNabb over Schiestel, unless they feel the injury is a MAJOR setback.
People rank prospects differently. Put simply, my only question is "who's going to be the best player?" Here, at this slot, I think it's going to be Pysyk. I have Scheistel as my #5 prospect, so there's not much separation right now. I just think Pysyk is going to be the better player, and I don't have to wait until he plays 50 games in his second year in the AHL to confirm that belief. I love his development curve and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's being considered for #1 or #2 at this time next season.

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sry, but I've to go with the organizational need: That's thoughness and size imo.
So I tak McNabb
As I said above, people use different metrics in ranking prospects, but I think this is the absolute worst way to rank prospects. Center is our biggest organizational need: Does that make Paul Byron and Kevin Sundher better prospects than Pysyk? I sure hope not. And size, physicality, and leadership are greater organizational needs than defense: does that make Marcus Foligno a better prospect than Scheistel, Brennan, and Pysyk? Again, I hope not.

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I'm not sure why anyone would vote Pysyk or McNabb over Schiestel, unless they feel the injury is a MAJOR setback.
I could suggest that Pysyk has had a better post-draft year than Schiestel did and McNabb had two better post-draft seasons than Schiestel did. I think of them as the top 3 defense prospects in the organization so I'm not sure their precise placement on this list makes a ton of difference.

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People rank prospects differently. Put simply, my only question is "who's going to be the best player?" Here, at this slot, I think it's going to be Pysyk. I have Scheistel as my #5 prospect, so there's not much separation right now. I just think Pysyk is going to be the better player, and I don't have to wait until he plays 50 games in his second year in the AHL to confirm that belief. I love his development curve and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he's being considered for #1 or #2 at this time next season.



As I said above, people use different metrics in ranking prospects, but I think this is the absolute worst way to rank prospects. Center is our biggest organizational need: Does that make Paul Byron and Kevin Sundher better prospects than Pysyk? I sure hope not. And size, physicality, and leadership are greater organizational needs than defense: does that make Marcus Foligno a better prospect than Scheistel, Brennan, and Pysyk? Again, I hope not.
yea... dumb comment by me

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Well I have to say that I can't understand your mancrush on schiestel. Pysyk is much more talented and has way more potential than drew, imo.
From the minimal viewings I've had of Pysyk this year... I don't think that is the case at all.

Schiestel looked better at the pro level this year, then Pysyk did in juniors.... that opinion is based on less then 10 games viewing each...

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I'm not sure why anyone would vote Pysyk or McNabb over Schiestel, unless they feel the injury is a MAJOR setback.
How bad is that injury?

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I'm not sure why anyone would vote Pysyk or McNabb over Schiestel, unless they feel the injury is a MAJOR setback.
I can get the decision -- there isn't that much between the three for me. Pysyk plays a smart defensive game and moves very well. His smarts parlay into offense. Schiestel is a highly mobile player who's offensive game is fairly natural and he's made strides in his own zone... and has a knee injury. McNabb's footwork has gotten better and he continues to be both tough while growing his scoring game. It looks like all three could be good 2nd pairing players. It's then a matter of personal taste (including style, maturation, perceived upside, perceived likelihood of reaching upside).

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Lot of D in the system.

Add Biega.

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From the minimal viewings I've had of Pysyk this year... I don't think that is the case at all.

Schiestel looked better at the pro level this year, then Pysyk did in juniors.... that opinion is based on less then 10 games viewing each...
Going from junior to junior season, Pysyk is better than Schiestel at this point in their respective development curves. Pysyk's game in his own zone -- his on-ice awareness -- is top notch. At this point, Drew was still following the play a lot, drifting out of position but his superior skating allowed him to reset quickly. Mark does not have to reset himself, he's where he needs to be. Drew has improved on that aspect of his game, but it wouldn't surprise me that Pysyk is in the show in his second pro season, not just making big strides in the AHL.

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Hard to choose between Pysyk and McNabb, Pysyk has been on fire, the last 40 games he has 35 points. Pretty impressive for a more defensive minded d-man. But the season McNabb is having is simply too impressive, plus they need toughness. Probably would've picked Schiestel though if he hadn't had that knee injury.

McNabb, add Crawford.

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How bad is that injury?
I'm not sure. i know he had surgery in Buffalo a few weeks ago on his right knee.

i never heard the full scoop (acl? mcl? etc)

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Pysyk. Not bad for a pick we all (For the most part) hated at the time.

I just think he will develop into a better all around player than McNabb, and I do worry about the injury to Schiestal. He still makes my Top 6. Being the team's captain is a plus in my book as well. Not huge, but it's something to think about.

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Gotta go with Pysyk. He and McNabb both have very high ceilings IMO, but I think McNabb might be a guy who benefits more from loads of playing time and superior size than anything else in juniors, and I feel that Pysyk's smarts/skating will make for a smoother and quicker transition to the NHL game than McNabb's size/toughness. Honestly, I love that Pysyk was on a terrible team last season, as well, because he'll know what it is to struggle and the things he has to do to prevent it happening again.

Schiestel and Foligno are right in this group as well, but Pysyk's ceiling is higher than either of theirs, IMO.

Anyways, add Biega.

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