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Winter Classic 2012 may not be finalized until a new TV deal is in place

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Winter Classic 2012 may not be finalized until a new TV deal is in place

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...sorship-strong

Cart before the horse? Decision on where Winter Classic might be for 2012 may not be finalized until a new TV deal is in place.

(There's also a bunch on the HC sponsorships toward the end of article as well.)

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"I always resist the idea the idea that the Winter Classic is a U.S.-only event, similarly now I'm going to resist the fact that the Heritage is just a Canadian event," Collins said. "At the end of the day, these events should appeal to all hockey fans."

So to be clear, I asked Collins, are you talking about maybe putting Canadian NHL teams in the odd Winter Classic and maybe an American team in the odd Heritage Classic?

"We're always kicking around everything," Collins said. "That's the fun part of this gig, to be creative. This is a league that's taking risks and pushing the envelope."

The fact is, the future of these outdoor games will depend greatly on the next U.S. TV deal. Once the U.S. TV deal is in place, it allows for a more concrete discussion of where these outdoor games are headed.

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sounds like leafs-wings @ the big house to me.

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If you are going to have an American team in the Heritage Classic and vice versa, then there is NO point in having two of the same damn event, It takes the luster out of it.

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If you are going to have an American team in the Heritage Classic and vice versa, then there is NO point in having two of the same damn event, It takes the luster out of it.
Having 1,228 games indoors instead of 1,229 doesn't take the "luster" out of anything.

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Having 1,228 games indoors instead of 1,229 doesn't take the "luster" out of anything.
Not that I care, cause I think that there should be 1 NHL staged outdoor game a year, and a NHL should be able to stage an outdoor game without the NHL and NBC...

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Not that I care, cause I think that there should be 1 NHL staged outdoor game a year, and a NHL should be able to stage an outdoor game without the NHL and NBC...
Huh?

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Minneapolis Minnesota. Target Field/TCF Bank Stadium. Give them a couple years to fix the flaws, both would be excellent venues to host such an event. Who would the Wild play is the question? Dallas Stars, or the Canucks if we eventually allow the Canadians to receive some U.S. publicity.
Only downside is both venues seat no more than 40,000. Hopefully MN thinks and doesn't have a Cowbody stadium replay by adding seats.

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From the Heritage Classic....

wyshynski 6:21pm via Twitter for Android Bettman on ice conditions: Doesn't believe a game in Dallas would be possible with ' current technology'

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but a Las Vegas parking lot almost 20 years ago was not too difficult ??

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It sounds like if there's going to be a "Southern Winter Classic" someone else is going to have to do it first.

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Huh?
Right now if an American NHL team is hosting an outdoor game, everything is under the control of the NHL and NBC. However if a NHL team wants to host an outdoor game outside the auspices of the NHL and the tv contract....

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but a Las Vegas parking lot almost 20 years ago was not too difficult ??
That was in September, too.

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Maybe there is something specifically limiting about the NHL's refrigeration truck? Or maybe they are just gunshy after Pittsburgh almost turned out to be too mild. Whatever it is, they are extremely cautious with their outdoor games... They wouldn't use a zamboni during the Heritage Classic because it was too cold and the weight would destroy the ice... I've never heard that one before... I've seen zambonis flood outdoor rinks in much colder weather... Don't know all the specifics behind that exact example... but it could be related to how the NHL seems to be more limited in what it can do outdoors vs. other operators of outdoor ice facilities.

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If the league was keen to stage outdoor games in Dallas, LA, Anaheim or wherever else all they simply have to do is use a synthetic ice surface. They can be set-up virtually anywhere on a temporary basis.

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but a Las Vegas parking lot almost 20 years ago was not too difficult ??
Humidity is the real enemy of ice, which is why Las Vegas in a blazing sun is fine but Dallas after sundown is not.

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I'm going to bet that the Winter Classic will be Kings at Avalanche (wearing Rockies jerseys?) and the Heritage Classic will be Leafs at Red Wings.

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I'm going to bet that the Winter Classic will be Kings at Avalanche (wearing Rockies jerseys?) and the Heritage Classic will be Leafs at Red Wings.
I didn't know that Detroit went back to Canada?

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If the league was keen to stage outdoor games in Dallas, LA, Anaheim or wherever else all they simply have to do is use a synthetic ice surface. They can be set-up virtually anywhere on a temporary basis.
The NHLPA would raise high hell about using a synthetic ice surface.

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I didn't know that Detroit went back to Canada?
Why are you asking us? (Yes, I'm the punctuation police now )

I kind of wish we'd drop the whole keep-it-Canadian thing we have going with the Heritage Classic and Hockey Day in Canada. There would be no less "heritage" in a Detroit-Toronto matchup at BMO Field or Boston-Montreal matchup at McGill (stadium sizes be damned) than there would be if we kept it all-Canadian.

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on hockey night in canada last saturday (march 5th 2011) they said on the hot stove that the maple leafs might like to host an outdoor game in 2016/17 season as part of the 100 Anniversary of the club. they also said that montreal is most likely hosting the heritage classic in 2012.

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on hockey night in canada last saturday (march 5th 2011) they said on the hot stove that the maple leafs might like to host an outdoor game in 2016/17 season as part of the 100 Anniversary of the club. they also said that montreal is most likely hosting the heritage classic in 2012.
Yay, a year of but-they-were-just-in-one-it's-not-their-turn crying and screaming.

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You'd think Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa would be the next logical 'participants' in an upcoming game. And no, I don't mean all 3 at once, but it should be 'their turn' at some point. Vancouver's mild winter, may or may not hinder hosting a game. I don't know.

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You'd think Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa would be the next logical 'participants' in an upcoming game. And no, I don't mean all 3 at once, but it should be 'their turn' at some point. Vancouver's mild winter, may or may not hinder hosting a game. I don't know.
I think they want to go east this year - Ottawa won't have a suitable venue until at least 2013, and I'm not sure what takes Toronto out of the running.

..but Percival Molson Stadium would be a hell of a setting for an outdoor game


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on hockey night in canada last saturday (march 5th 2011) they said on the hot stove that the maple leafs might like to host an outdoor game in 2016/17 season as part of the 100 Anniversary of the club. they also said that montreal is most likely hosting the heritage classic in 2012.
Just noticing this now, but why the 2016-2017 season? The team's first season was 1917-1918 if I'm not mistaken.

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Just noticing this now, but why the 2016-2017 season? The team's first season was 1917-1918 if I'm not mistaken.
I believe that would make 2017-2018 the 101st season technically. 2016-2017 would be the 100th.

And although Montreal has already played in 2, they were both in Alberta. Percival Molson Stadium would definitely be an awesome experience.

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