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03-07-2011, 02:57 PM
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Realistic Solutions for our Center Depth Problem

I feel like as much as all of us want to add a big name #1 center, but the chances of that happening may not be very likely. So I had an idea that would be more realistic and improve our center depth. Before the draft try trading a package based around our 1st for Weiss. Maybe add one of our d prospects and/or a guy like Adam. I'm not exactly sure what it would take to get Weiss, but I feel that would be somewhere to start. Then see if Columbus would be interested in a deal centered around Stafford for Vermette. If you don't like one or the other than maybe go for one of those two and Stoll. I'm not sure what exact trade values would be, but this was just somewhere to start. Any thoughts or suggesttions?

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sign Curtis Glencross for starters.

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Why would Weiss come so cheap? Florida is basically in the same situation Buffalo was a few years ago... being the 9th-11th team.

Weiss is signed cheap.... it would be like Buffalo trading Roy for a 1st and prospect 3 years ago... doesnt make sense.

Now if you offered a comparable package to what you think Roy is worth... then you might have a conversation

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Brayden Schenn or Jarret Stoll, would be happy with both.

I wouldn't mind getting either of the two, hell the both would be great and I would dangle Ennis out there.

LA wouldnt mind a first line of Ennis-Kopitar-Penner ..

To L.A.

Luke Adam
Tyler Ennis
Andrej Sekera
1st Round Draft Pick 2012

To Buf.

Jarret Stoll
Brayden Schenn

Thats as far as I would go, anything else is too much of an overpayment although I would understand if LA did want more ....

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Why would Weiss come so cheap? Florida is basically in the same situation Buffalo was a few years ago... being the 9th-11th team.

Weiss is signed cheap.... it would be like Buffalo trading Roy for a 1st and prospect 3 years ago... doesnt make sense.

Now if you offered a comparable package to what you think Roy is worth... then you might have a conversation
I said a package around our first for Weiss and admitted I wasn't sure what it would take to get him I wasn't saying what I proposed necessarily would get him. Which is why I asked for suggestions and ideas.

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Brayden Schenn or Jarret Stoll, would be happy with both.

I wouldn't mind getting either of the two, hell the both would be great and I would dangle Ennis out there.

LA wouldnt mind a first line of Ennis-Kopitar-Penner ..

To L.A.

Luke Adam
Tyler Ennis
Andrej Sekera
1st Round Draft Pick 2012

To Buf.

Jarret Stoll
Brayden Schenn

Thats as far as I would go, anything else is too much of an overpayment although I would understand if LA did want more ....
LA isn't going to trade Schenn. If you were them why would you?

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I said a package around our first for Weiss and admitted I wasn't sure what it would take to get him I wasn't saying what I proposed necessarily would get him. Which is why I asked for suggestions and ideas.
I think Florida wants to build around Weiss, Booth, Kulikov, Markstrom, Bugstad, and Gudbranson. I don't think any of them will be available unless it significantly improves Florida immediately.

Considering they have a similar center problem... i just dont see it working.

I'd rather focus our efforts on getting Stastny or Spezza, signing Richards, or playing small ball and getting 2 Jarrett Stoll types.

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I don't know what to do about a top 6 center, but I've been liking the idea of going after a low risk/high reward center like Richardson or Brule. Get one of them for a 3rd rounder and mid-level prospect. If they don't pan out, they'll be a decent 3rd/4th line player. If they do pan out, and tap into some of their potential due to a change of scenery, we'd have a surprise 2nd/3rd line center and add some nice depth down the middle.

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Vermette's a guy who does a lot at both ends of the ice. He's someone of interest... been beating that drum for a while.

O'Reilly might be someone to look at from Colorado -- very good #3 type and very young. It would probably cost them more than just Weber, but again, someone to inquire after.

Someone else who might be worth the inquiry, depending on what happens with Hemsky, is Sam Gagner. He's smallish, but put up four straight 40-point seasons on some less-than-powerful Edmonton teams.

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Brayden Schenn or Jarret Stoll, would be happy with both.

I wouldn't mind getting either of the two, hell the both would be great and I would dangle Ennis out there.

LA wouldnt mind a first line of Ennis-Kopitar-Penner ..

To L.A.

Luke Adam
Tyler Ennis
Andrej Sekera
1st Round Draft Pick 2012

To Buf.

Jarret Stoll
Brayden Schenn

Thats as far as I would go, anything else is too much of an overpayment although I would understand if LA did want more ....

LA put their eggs in the Penner basket. They're not moving Schenn right now.

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If Connolly keeps up the good play, and hockey gods willing we make the playoffs and he plays as well as he is right now, I think we offer him a new contract.

1 year, below market value. A "show me" contract. If he walks, so be it.

Truthfully I think this organization needs Connolly more than most fans would like to admit. C is a major weakness for this team. In the pipeline and otherwise.

Even if we make a big splash in FA, wouldn't it be nice to have center depth?

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sign Curtis Glencross for starters.
Brad Boyes has taken more faceoffs than Glencross.

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If Connolly keeps up the good play, and hockey gods willing we make the playoffs and he plays as well as he is right now, I think we offer him a new contract.

1 year, below market value. A "show me" contract. If he walks, so be it.

Truthfully I think this organization needs Connolly more than most fans would like to admit. C is a major weakness for this team. In the pipeline and otherwise.

Even if we make a big splash in FA, wouldn't it be nice to have center depth?
No way. Anyone but Connolly. Truth be told depth is not our problem. We have plenty of depth. We lack high end talent. This is why next year's UFAs are so frustrating. Theres only 1 high end talent (Richards). Everyone else is depth.

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Brad Boyes has taken more faceoffs than Glencross.
ahh, thanks...i thought he took more draws than that...i still want him though...i think he's taking 'that step', heck of a player.

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I could see them digging up a retread in the mold of Niedermayer -- someone like Handzus who might be a good 3/4 defensive plug if they sign him on cheap. I'm not a fan of his... not even the '70's 'do he sports... but that's a depth move I could see them looking at.

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wait a minute, doesn't Nieds now have the same amount of ES goals that Tim Connolly has since halloween?

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I don't think we need a #1 center. I think we need a #2. Have some faith in Roy, he was definitely playing like a #1 before getting hurt.

So with that said, I overpay as much as necessary and bring in Joe Pavelski (I'm assuming it'll take Ennis as far as roster players go).

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wait a minute, doesn't Nieds now have the same amount of ES goals that Tim Connolly has since halloween?
Yes. Yes he does.

Makes the solution clear, doesn't it? Sign Niederma--errr.....beeeepppppp


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Another avenue... trade up this year and look to install the youngster as a contributor within two years.


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I think Florida wants to build around Weiss, Booth, Kulikov, Markstrom, Bugstad, and Gudbranson. I don't think any of them will be available unless it significantly improves Florida immediately.

Considering they have a similar center problem... i just dont see it working.

I'd rather focus our efforts on getting Stastny or Spezza, signing Richards, or playing small ball and getting 2 Jarrett Stoll types.
I have a feeling we'll be playing small ball. I'd be interested in getting Stoll and/or Vermette depending on asking price. Both are solid two way guys.

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I don't think we need a #1 center. I think we need a #2. Have some faith in Roy, he was definitely playing like a #1 before getting hurt.

So with that said, I overpay as much as necessary and bring in Joe Pavelski (I'm assuming it'll take Ennis as far as roster players go).

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keep vanek away from roy. i don't know how it would effect roy's play but imo vanek looks better without him.

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Realistically? Move Boyes there full time and sign a really good #3.

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Brayden Schenn or Jarret Stoll, would be happy with both.

I wouldn't mind getting either of the two, hell the both would be great and I would dangle Ennis out there.

LA wouldnt mind a first line of Ennis-Kopitar-Penner ..

To L.A.

Luke Adam
Tyler Ennis
Andrej Sekera
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To Buf.

Jarret Stoll
Brayden Schenn

Thats as far as I would go, anything else is too much of an overpayment although I would understand if LA did want more ....
I love it when people suggest these deals the other team would never do. Next, please.

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wait a minute, doesn't Nieds now have the same amount of ES goals that Tim Connolly has since halloween?
That's amazing. And pathetic.


On topic - Fisher would have been a nice pickup, though the price was high and is contract isn't exactly a bargain.

The goal should be to pick up a center more talented than Roy. Until we do that... I don't like our Cup chances.

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I feel like as much as all of us want to add a big name #1 center, but the chances of that happening may not be very likely.
What were the chances that the Sabres would be bought by a billionaire owner who has said money secondary to winning the Cup?

Or the chances that Lindy Ruff/Darcy Regier would still be with the team 14 years after being hired?

Like the saying goes, the only thing predictable in life is death and taxes.

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Realistically? Move Boyes there full time and sign a really good #3.

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If he can hack it at center full time. He's only played a game there so far.

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If Connolly keeps up the good play, and hockey gods willing we make the playoffs and he plays as well as he is right now, I think we offer him a new contract.
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