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04-26-2011, 03:26 PM
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I think the general ****tiness of the draft actually hurts your desire to move into the top 8. Since there's a "notable" drop off after 8, teams are going to be very hesitant to drop out of those slots, let alone drop all the way from 8 to 15.
Maybe, I really have no idea.

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What are the chances of Biggs falling to us this draft... I have not started to research this draft yet, but the little i have heard about Biggs interests me. What are the thoughts here.
Biggs will go anywhere from top 10 to 25 depending on who likes him. There is a very good chance he is available for us. If he is, I really think they pull the trigger on him.

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Tyler Biggs, F USA- Tough tournament for a kid who is unfairly becoming a whipping boy, but we also have to call it the way we see it. He hurt his team with way too many penalties. Now in fairness, some of the calls that went against him were the classic- he's bigger (no pun intended) than the other guy and the hits looked worse than they were- type infractions that tend to get whistled more during international play. However, he also took his share of lazy, undisciplined calls and that's what drives us crazy. The roughing call he took against Canada just after Boucher made it 4-1 was particularly galling because it was completely unnecessary and also sparked that team's comeback. Biggs is a powerful skater with a heavy shot, but we didn't see him creating much on his own offensively other than scoring the winning goal against Canada in OT that several onlookers felt goaltender Malcolm Subban should have stopped. Biggs was unfairly rated too high by Central scouting at mid-term and he's the easy target right now because he didn't produce consistently while others on his squad did. Right or wrong, fair or unfair- it is what it is.
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04-26-2011, 03:33 PM
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He sounds like a NYR draft pick

Honestly, every player where we are looks like a serious project.

Unless one of the big 7 falls, I shouldn't be irritated with a pick.

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Most of that was debunked. Most felt he had a fine tournament but just wasn't scoring. I have no problem with roughing and mean calls against him, either. In fact, I want intimidation calls from our team for once. ****, crosscheck someone in the face and knock the opposing goalie out with a well timed punch to his head.

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04-26-2011, 03:34 PM
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Biggs will go anywhere from top 10 to 25 depending on who likes him. There is a very good chance he is available for us. If he is, I really think they pull the trigger on him.
Biggs, McNeil and Scheifele are all on the board at 15 when the Rangers...who do you pick, and who do you think the Rangers take?

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He sounds like a NYR draft pick

Honestly, every player where we are looks like a serious project.

Unless one of the big 7 falls, I shouldn't be irritated with a pick.
It's going to be very, very hard to be irritated with who we pick this year since every single player in our area has serious, serious flaws. Only guy I'd probably be really irritated in taking would be Rask.

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Biggs, McNeil and Scheifele are all on the board at 15 when the Rangers...who do you pick, and who do you think the Rangers take?
Biggs or Scheifele. Probably Scheifele since we need a center more. But the Rangers probably take Biggs, since it fits the mold of the last draft (size and nasty).

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04-26-2011, 03:58 PM
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I'd def. take either McNeil or Scheifele over Biggs. Another big, dumb galoot? No, thanks.

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04-26-2011, 04:03 PM
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KHL is a better league and 'it's not really even close'.

But anyways here's a nice piece of an article about Joel Armia:

"Joel Armia, F Finland- Took charge up front for Finland and proved himself a solid first-round selection with his offensive performance. His big frame needs work to add mass and strength, but he's got a long stride and the ability to generate speed and separation. He's still a little gangly and not overly strong on his skates, but getting there. A vicious killer between the hashmarks- wants the puck and knows what to do with it when he gets it. One of the best pure goal scorers in the draft and impressed us with his vision and playmaking skills in this tourney as well. Creative and a better puck distributor than we gave him credit for. Not very physical, but not a soft player, either. Uses his trunk and long limbs to create space and bull his way to the net. Doesn't speak English very well yet, but uses two very important words often: "puck" and "score". His effort without the puck is what is holding him back from a top-10 selection in our view. He can be lackadaisical and is inconsistent in his backchecking efforts. If its a maturity thing, he could be a homerun pick, but if he's only motivated offensively, then he's a one-dimensional guy and may never be as good a player as he should be."

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Would love to have a Finnish kid to root for in the Rangers again.
I was hoping for Granlund last year, but we ended up with.. you know..

Really hoping Armia slips to us
So is he the next Teemu Riihijärvi or the next Mikko Koivu? I am not sold either way...

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04-26-2011, 07:57 PM
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that gold medal game in the u18's was amazing. congrats to the usa.

heres 2 names that we need to be looking at with our 2nd rounders.

jonas brodin and joachim nermark. both of these swedes are talents.



nermark is a big lefty centerman @ 6'1 190 lbs. skates really well and has both playmaking and goal scoring upside. at one time he was considered a lock for the first round. hes dropped some recently-so-so tournys after tearing up last summers hlinka tourny. he would be a nice get early in round 2.




jonas brodin is an offensive dman with high end skills. he may not last to round 2 though. hes exactly the kind of puckmoving, offensive minded, strong skating kid we lack at our blueline. his passing skills are nhl ready now. his ability to make the right breakout pass is uncanny. he can thread the needle and make that crisp tape to tape pass instinctively. his skating is very good and his ability to move laterally is high end. hes got pro skating skills right now. he needs to add weight as hes kind of a wiry 6'1 170, but his frame projects to add some pounds.

of the two swedes, i like brodin more. in fact, i like him alot.

and for the record, i do not like biggs at all. not a fan at all. stay away.


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04-26-2011, 08:00 PM
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Brodin in the SEL at age 17 is a nice touch,but 4 points in 42 games dont scream offensive defenseman to me.

Course I haven't seen him play, it may well be due to playing time / young age. We do need an offensive defenseman.

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Brodin sounds, dare I say, dreamy from odc's post.

I still want a forward, though. Perferably a big, two-way playing making centermen. 'Course, those types of players are hard to find, and thus...sigh.

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I will be pretty upset if the Rangers take a defenseman with either of their first 2 picks. I dont care if they take the BPA with the Caps 2nd rounder but I would very much prefer them to take 2 forwards with their first 2 picks.

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I want a forward, too. Brodin, however, is enticing. He's not a flashy offensive player, but he does have a very nice outlet pass and he's good at keeping the puck in the zone.

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I want a forward, too. Brodin, however, is enticing. He's not a flashy offensive player, but he does have a very nice outlet pass and he's good at keeping the puck in the zone.
The only way he'd be an acceptable pick is the 45th pick or later.

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Brodin sounds, dare I say, dreamy from odc's post.

I still want a forward, though. Perferably a big, two-way playing making centermen. 'Course, those types of players are hard to find, and thus...sigh.
ODC could make you want to see the Rangers re-sign Lisin with his descriptions

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ODC could make you want to see the Rangers re-sign Lisin with his descriptions
That is true, which is why I don't really comment on the draft all that much. People can fluff up players like hell, and then there's those who bash the player in every post they're mentioned...like you with Saad.

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Yeah, but everyone is bashing Saad now. I started it back when the kid was a top 5 potential pick. Now y'all followers realize that the dude is pathetic (in terms of drive and attitude, not skill).

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ODC could make you want to see the Rangers re-sign Lisin with his descriptions
workin on that one right now jon...

and i disagree on brodin. hell be gone way before 45.

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Yeah, but everyone is bashing Saad now. I started it back when the kid was a top 5 potential pick. Now y'all followers realize that the dude is pathetic (in terms of drive and attitude, not skill).
He sounds like a carbon copy of Dustin Penner.

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workin on that right one right now jon...

and i disagree on brodin. hell be gone way before 45.
I'm sure he will be. Probably by 31 or 32. I just don't see a need to take him or to move up for him. If they took him at 15, I'd be legitimately angry, to be honest.

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He sounds like a carbon copy of Dustin Penner.
Penner definitely cares about the game. I don't think Saad does at all. Penner just doesn't show the most emotion. He's not constantly coasting and clearly not caring.

I think most around here know the one thing I ****ing despise in players is a lack of caring.

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Penner definitely cares about the game. I don't think Saad does at all. Penner just doesn't show the most emotion. He's not constantly coasting and clearly not caring.

I think most around here know the one thing I ****ing despise in players is a lack of caring.
A lot of Ranger fans despise that - it's why most of us hate Christensen and Wolski.

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I'm sure he will be. Probably by 31 or 32. I just don't see a need to take him or to move up for him. If they took him at 15, I'd be legitimately angry, to be honest.
as would i. im thinking an early 2nd round choice if hes there.

still want a skating, playmaking centerman or a shooter with our top pick.

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