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03-08-2011, 08:49 AM
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Won't he be UFA at 25?

An Offer Sheet will only get matched. The true indication of his desire to stay there is the term he signs

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03-08-2011, 08:51 AM
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Tampa will keep him, so we wont get him, but I would trade every single player on our roster for him, or as many picks as Tampa wants.

Some of you guys are nuts on here. He's on pace for back to back 51 goal seasons in his 2nd and 3rd seasons in the league.

Its funny how when you talk about guys like Dion or Phil, its like "oh those guys are still young, they will get better", but somehow not only has Stamkos hit his peak in year 3, but he's also overrated. Very interesting logic there.
I LMAO when I read the bold....its why Leaf fans are loved everywhere.....The same guys who try to undermine Stamkos would have him in the Hall OF Fame BEFORE he retired if he was a Leaf. Leaf fans have no credibility when they talk bullsh** like that. You cannot name Kessel and Phaneuf in the same breath as Stamkos if you are talking greatness...

Stamkos falls in the very elite league of Crosby, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk....No Leafs in my 40 years of watching them have ever fallen into that elite class.

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03-08-2011, 08:51 AM
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Stamkos is a generational talent and the chances of the Leafs getting him is zero.

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03-08-2011, 08:52 AM
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I agree..How can anyone argue he is not a generational talent?


Did fans forget...Kessel had 36 goals at age 21....and he is an elite sniper.....but a guy who will have 2 50 goal seasons(by 21) in an age where there are less than 5 50 goal scorers per season...he is not a generational talent?

Stamkos is too good to ever become a Leaf....Leafs don't get players like Steven Stamkos. Ever.

Side Note: Steven Stamkos favorite team is the Toronto Maple Leafs..He was born and raised in Markham Ontario. I used to work with his dad and he told me that Stamkos wished he was drafted by the Leafs. Stamkos is a humble good ole Canadian boy...would become one of the greatest Leafs of all time.
Well then. Have a talk with his Dad. Get Dad to convince Steve to sign for whatever in TB for the minimum number of years until he becomes a UFA. Then Steve can sign with the Leafs at a hometown discount and he won't cost us any draft picks...come on, you have the power, you can do it

Heck we'll even rename Markham to Stamkosville.

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03-08-2011, 08:58 AM
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Who are his peers? This sounds like more of a debate on what a generational talent is.

With 9 goals in the last 18 games, that'll be two 50-goal seasons by the age of 21. It's more than the "Great 8" can boast.
Stamkos didn't have the lockout to keep him out of the NHL. And he didn't score 50+ in his rookie season. And in his third season, Ovechkin was the unquestionable best player in the world. Talk to me when a "bad" season for Stamkos is a 30 goal, 80 point year like Ovechkin is having. He isn't fit to hold AO's jock. He's not a generational talent.

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03-08-2011, 09:00 AM
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Well then. Have a talk with his Dad. Get Dad to convince Steve to sign for whatever in TB for the minimum number of years until he becomes a UFA. Then Steve can sign with the Leafs at a hometown discount and he won't cost us any draft picks...come on, you have the power, you can do it

Heck we'll even rename Markham to Stamkosville.
Funny....but I get the impression you are mocking me...like Im feeding you a bowl of heaping BS.....but Im not..You don't think the Stamkos family wouldn't want their son playing in Toronto? They all live here...His dad regularly flies down to Tampa to watch him play and they are definitely in attendance when Steven comes to Toronto. Besides I USED to work with his dad but no longer as I have moved on. His dad was a gentleman who didn't like to toot his son's horn....He was humble...and it shows where Steve inherited his humility from.

Not only an amazing hockey player but a kid with his head screwed on straight....The Leafs would be blessed to acquire such a great talent. Not going to happen.

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Funny....but I get the impression you are mocking me...like Im feeding you a bowl of heaping BS.....but Im not..You don't think the Stamkos family wouldn't want their son playing in Toronto? They all live here...His dad regularly flies down to Tampa to watch him play and they are definitely in attendance when Steven comes to Toronto. Besides I USED to work with his dad but no longer as I have moved on. His dad was a gentleman who didn't like to toot his son's horn....He was humble...and it shows where Steve inherited his humility from.

Not only an amazing hockey player but a kid with his head screwed on straight....The Leafs would be blessed to acquire such a great talent. Not going to happen.
No. I'm not. Sorry if you got that impression.

And I agree with you on the Stamkos family. Everything I've heard/read is very positive about the family and Steve was not only a gifted athlete, he was also a gifted student. Very down to earth.

I would love to see Steve playing for the Leafs. I think he'd turn out to be, if not the greatest Leaf of all time, one of the greatest.

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Not worth even thinking about--Steve Yzerman is way, way too smart to let Stamkos get away.

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I LMAO when I read the bold....its why Leaf fans are loved everywhere.....The same guys who try to undermine Stamkos would have him in the Hall OF Fame BEFORE he retired if he was a Leaf. Leaf fans have no credibility when they talk bullsh** like that. You cannot name Kessel and Phaneuf in the same breath as Stamkos if you are talking greatness...

Stamkos falls in the very elite league of Crosby, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk....No Leafs in my 40 years of watching them have ever fallen into that elite class.
How does Kovalchuk get mentioned anywhere near the same breath as Crosby and Ovechkin?

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Not worth even thinking about--Steve Yzerman is way, way too smart to let Stamkos get away.
one can always hope...

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we don't have the picks to sign him...

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03-08-2011, 10:06 AM
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Tampa has 22M cap space next season and 12 players under contract.. When they sign stabile for MIN 8M cap hit they have 13M to sign 10 players which sounds like a lot but really isn't. I'd say Malone or Lecavlier will be shopped if they can get a decent return. I would personally love to sign stamkos long term.. Maybe Burke can trade our next 4 first rounders and through in a 2nd so he doesn't have to offer sheet him (joking...sorta)
Tampa Bay most likely won't be spending to the cap barring a long playoff run, possibly They are at $50 million this season which may increase a bit.

They may be better off buying out Lecavalier at some future point in time because I can't see anyone taking on that contract.

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03-08-2011, 10:16 AM
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Disagree.

He won't be available, TB matches anything the Leafs throw at him.
I agree with you but.....can TB match, they still have Vinny's albetrous contract and others. They will probably also need a starting goalie, unless Rolason is going to play again. So...who knows?

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I wouldn't pay him anywhere over 8.7 million. The best player in the league being Crosby is only making that. What makes Stamkos better.

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Anybody saying he will get 10-11 mill a year for 7-8 years + is an idiot. No chance that an offer sheet will be signed, there is a little chance for a trade, but most likely he signs in Tampa to a Jonathan Toews type of deal but a bit more expensive.

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I wouldn't pay him anywhere over 8.7 million. The best player in the league being Crosby is only making that. What makes Stamkos better.
Nothing makes Stamkos better. But you gotta give to get, and you will never get fair value for a free agent (unrestricted or otherwise). Stamkos is still up there with the Thorntons and Datsyuks as an elite offensive center. His defense ain't bad either. I wouldn't mind giving up those picks for him. Unless the Leafs fail miserably and their picks turn into guys like Yakupov or MacKinnon, they'll probably walk away with the best player of the bunch. 9 million isn't a hideous overpayment anyway

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Steven Stamkos is no more a generational player than Joe Thornton, who is a borderline case on his own...

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Steven Stamkos is no more a generational player than Joe Thornton, who is a borderline case on his own...

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Only as good as Joe Thornton. I'd settle for that.

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Stamkos is going to get a LOT and possibly be overpaid. I think he's going to get 9mil+ because the demand for a player like Stamkos is so high; and all the top talented young players are locked.

Tampa Bay will offer him something like 7mil/year for 7 years IMO. But he will get an offer sheet for 9mil/year (someone is going to do it there are 30 teams in the NHL) and then Tampa are going to have to match that.

Stamkos is the leading goal scorer in the NHL for the second year in a row. He is a very rare and valuable asset. He will also sell tickets for any team. He's going to get overpaid by whoever signs him.

I know Malkin and Crosby are both getting paid 8.7mil/year but because of the situation Stamkos is in; and how few good players there are out there; I think he will get more than those guys.

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03-08-2011, 10:34 AM
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No. I'm not. Sorry if you got that impression.

And I agree with you on the Stamkos family. Everything I've heard/read is very positive about the family and Steve was not only a gifted athlete, he was also a gifted student. Very down to earth.

I would love to see Steve playing for the Leafs. I think he'd turn out to be, if not the greatest Leaf of all time, one of the greatest.

No worries...it was just an impression I got...but you are right in that if the Leafs any have shot in this world at Stamkos, take it! I'd give up 4 firsts for him without a doubt...If Kessel is worth 2 1sts and a 2nd...then this is a no brainer. I also agree with another poster who said that Yzerman is way too smart/saavy to let a Stamkos get away...The Leafs have a much greater chance of obtaining a Lecavalier (someone who you hope rebounds at some point with a very large contract that many teams can't or don't want to afford) Sound familiar?

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4 First Rounders are a massive price to pay but for a back-to-back 50 goal scorer, I don't know how you don't pay it. I would put in an offer sheet and at the very least try to steal him away from Tampa.

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Only as good as Joe Thornton. I'd settle for that.
Unless you plan for each of your (4) 1st rd. picks to be taken in the 20th overall - 30 overall range, you wouldn't. Stamkos is closer to Staal/Thornton/Sundin/Modano than he is to Crosby/Ovechkin/Jagr/Forsberg/Lindros in terms of shift-to-shift impact. Frankly, I think playing consistent minutes with Martin St. Louis, a former Art Ross winner, benefits the former Sarnia Sting moreso than it does the ex-UV Catamount.

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we don't have the picks to sign him...
yes we do. he becomes a free agent on July 1 if he hasn't signed. the draft is before that. the compensation for RFA's this summer begins with the 2012 draft picks. we're good

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people around here seem to forget sometimes that the *player* needs to agree to the offer sheet, not just the team offering it. if stamkos wants to leave tampa, then he'll be inclined to sign one. if he wants to stay but is just having trouble negotiating a contract, i'd imagine he wouldn't sign one. sometimes players around here are treated like commodities (which they sort of are), but people forget that in most cases they have opinions and thoughts about their own futures and lives too

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