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03-10-2011, 06:21 PM
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What do you think about this?

Trade Mitchell, Nitty and Heatley for picks, resign White, Wellwood, Eager and Nichol for the UFAs. Seto, McGinn, Stalock and Ferry-o for the RFAs. Offersheet Stamkos at 9.1 for 10 years or something like that.

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03-10-2011, 06:27 PM
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10 years? No thanks.

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03-10-2011, 06:29 PM
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Where are these magic teams who'll take Heatley, Mitchell and Niitty for only picks?

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03-10-2011, 06:35 PM
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So we get rid of a big contract only to sign a bigger and longer contract while losing tons of draft picks?

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The Lightning will match any offer sheet they receive for Stamkos and, honestly, forfeiting a treasure trove of draft picks just for the right to indefinitely pay a player--no matter how good they are--a cap hit of over 9 million a season is as asinine as it gets in the cap era.

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03-10-2011, 06:41 PM
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So we get rid of a big contract only to sign a bigger and longer contract while losing tons of draft picks?
We lose draft picks but also get them from trading Nitty, Mitchell and Heatley. Sorry, didn't mean only draft picks, we could package them for prospect+pick. Plus Stamkos is worth the money, Heatley, not so much. Plus, no pick in the 22-30 range will be as good as Stamkos in the next 4 years, maybe there will be a late round steal like Datsyuk or Zetterberg, but not as good as Stamkos.

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03-10-2011, 06:42 PM
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The Lightning will match any offer sheet they receive for Stamkos and, honestly, forfeiting a treasure trove of draft picks just for the right to indefinitely pay a player--no matter how good they are--a cap hit of over 9 million a season is as asinine as it gets in the cap era.
Would they be able to though? Do they have that kind of money?

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03-10-2011, 06:43 PM
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Besides, while Stamkos is a great hockey player, he's made even better by Martin St Louis.

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03-10-2011, 06:46 PM
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Would they be able to though? Do they have that kind of money?
They have the cap space and I can't see ownership nixing it given the amount of money they've invested in marketing the kid since drafting him first overall. It would just be a poor business decision. Worst case, they'll try and convince Lecavalier to waive his NTC and send him elsewhere but I don't think it has to come to that if Stevie Y is creative and the team is able to use an ELC player like Brett Connolly to replace departing UFAs like Bergenheim and Gagne. It could potentially throw a wrench in the Lightning's long-term plans but no chance they don't match IMO. If I were Panthers GM Dale Tallon I'd offer sheet Stamkos just to screw the Bolts over but the Sharks have nothing to gain from that.

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03-10-2011, 06:55 PM
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Besides, while Stamkos is a great hockey player, he's made even better by Martin St Louis.
Im not saying we should do this but...

If hes made that good by St. louis, imagine him playing on thorntons wing...

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03-10-2011, 07:02 PM
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Im not saying we should do this but...

If hes made that good by St. louis, imagine him playing on thorntons wing...
He'd be like Marleau or Heatley.

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03-10-2011, 07:03 PM
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This is assuming Stamkos would even sign an offer sheet (and to a west coast team no less), which has no chance of happening.

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03-10-2011, 07:18 PM
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Would they be able to though? Do they have that kind of money?
Just because they are a southern market doesn't mean that they don't have money. The team was bought by a guy who had no problem putting up the cash. No hiccups in the approval process. And he has poured a ton of cash into the team in terms of eating coaching contracts, etc.

The second issue is that ALL big contracts carry huge risks and that the money frequently outpaces the return in player production. Almost all players who are moved have a downturn in production in their first year with a new team. On top of that big contracts are very difficult to move unless the team is willing to take a beating in trade. At this point, I would almost bet that Heatley has negative trade value. Not because of his raw production but because his production in relation to his salary is subpar. He would have positive value if he was only being paid $4-5mil/year. Most likely the only way to unload Heatley is to take a salary dump in return a la Cheechoo (and Heatley had higher value at the time). Taking the salary dump would defeat the purpose of your scenario.

On the other players, teams are not out their waiting to give up even picks for trash. DW has to wait for a time during the season when some team needs warm bodies or he has to package the trash player with a player of value and get lesser return than the player of value would get alone.

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Stopped reading when you implied a team would take on a 7.5 million cap hit with no salary returning.

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You had me at trade Mitchell.

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1. Stamkos has to sign the offer sheet.
1A. even if he did, San Jose would be 20th or worse on his list.
3. SJ doesnt have the resources to risk that much on one player.
4. no team (including NYI) is taking Heatley without giving back another contract (probably another bad one like Commodore/Komi) which makes it impossible to fit Stammer in.
5. more depth would need to be dumped to become cap-compliant. not something we should be doing.

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03-10-2011, 09:00 PM
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Would they be able to though? Do they have that kind of money?
Offer sheets don't automatically happen, Stamkos has to agree to it first. Considering how much he respects Yzerman, how much he loves Tampa, and where San Jose is located, that pretty much ends any possibility of him accepting an offer sheet, let alone an offer sheet from the Sharks.

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We lose draft picks but also get them from trading Nitty, Mitchell and Heatley. Sorry, didn't mean only draft picks, we could package them for prospect+pick. Plus Stamkos is worth the money, Heatley, not so much. Plus, no pick in the 22-30 range will be as good as Stamkos in the next 4 years, maybe there will be a late round steal like Datsyuk or Zetterberg, but not as good as Stamkos.
You're sacrificing depth as well. I rather have 4+ good players than 1 elite player.

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go back to playing nhl 11

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I've got a better idea.

Trade our worst player for a slightly better player, then trade him for a slightly better player, then trade him for a slightly better player, and so on until we can get Datsyuk.

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I've got a better idea.

Trade our worst player for a slightly better player, then trade him for a slightly better player, then trade him for a slightly better player, and so on until we can get Datsyuk.
I can't recall specifics, but didn't someone barter his way from junk to a new house?

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03-10-2011, 10:46 PM
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I can't recall specifics, but didn't someone barter his way from junk to a new house?
Starting with like a red paper clip or something yeah.

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I can't recall specifics, but didn't someone barter his way from junk to a new house?
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Starting with like a red paper clip or something yeah.
Yes it was a paper clip turned into a half a million dollar home.

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Yes it was a paper clip turned into a half a million dollar home.
yea, i remember that. along the way it became a movie role.

not sure if it would work now, cuz it was such an original idea back then.

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I've got a better idea.

Trade our worst player for a slightly better player, then trade him for a slightly better player, then trade him for a slightly better player, and so on until we can get Datsyuk.
Cognition for GM!

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