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06-30-2004, 10:39 AM
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Pittsburgh-Buffalo Proposal

To Buffalo:
Tomas Surovy
Josef Melichar
2005 3rd rounder

To Pittsburgh:
Jay McKee
2005 6th rounder

Buffalo gets a young stay-at-home defenseman and a young LWer who is showing glimpses of being a sniper in the making, plus a 3rd rounder. Pittsburgh gets their steady experienced Dman to stabilize their young group of dmen.

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**** no from a Penguins point of view.

I'm keeping Surovy.

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I really don't like it.
Take out Surovy, then yes.

Surovy is a very good young player that we will count on for goals.

I don't think Surovy alone would do it for me.

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Surovy >>>>>>>>>> McKee

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06-30-2004, 10:47 AM
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Nah,I'll keep McKee.


We have about 12 forwards all better then Surovy and Melichar isn't in McKee's class.Hell no.


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06-30-2004, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr. kØUkLØs
I really don't like it.
Take out Surovy, then yes.

Surovy is a very good young player that we will count on for goals.

I don't think Surovy alone would do it for me.

As much as I love Surovy's game as all us Pens fans here do, Buffalo will be insane to give up McKee for Melichar and a pick alone. I also don't see the Pens having anything else to offer for Mckee.

I can only think of these (who have already played in the NHL) to offer besides Melichar, and I am not for trading away good young prospects:

Surovy
Kraft

and I like Kraft.

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No way I make this trade from a Pens point of view. Surovy could score 40 goals for us one day, and we have a lot of good young dmen and not many pure finishers in our system.

Melichar has not been the same since he hurt his shoulder, which still may end up being the end of his career. He has little if any trade value at this point in time.

McKee is good, but he is not the answer for us, and certainly not worth giving up good, young players for.

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06-30-2004, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielBriere48
We have about 12 forwards all better then Surovy
On your big-league roster? I highly doubt Eric Boulton or Andrew Peters are better players than Surovy.

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and Melichar isn't in McKee's class.Hell no.
That's true.

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No way I make this trade from a Pens point of view. Surovy could score 40 goals for us one day, and we have a lot of good young dmen and not many pure finishers in our system.

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Yeah 40 goals a year :lol :lol :lol


Only 3 players hit that last year and Surovy is an average forward.

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Originally Posted by go kim johnsson
Surovy >>>>>>>>>> McKee

McKee>>>>>>>>any dman on Pens roster (as of yet)

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Originally Posted by tallpenguin
On your big-league roster? I highly doubt Eric Boulton or Andrew Peters are better players than Surovy.
Miroslav Satan
JP Dumont
Ales Kotalik
Jochen Hecht
Chris Drury
Maxim Afinogenov
Derek Roy
Daniel Briere
Taylor Pyatt
Tim Connolly

And then in the wings
Thomas Vanek
Daniel Paille
Jason Pominville
Paul Gaustud

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McKee>>>>>>>>any dman on Pens roster (as of yet)
your nutty

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While I don't think that this trade really helps either team that much, I think many are over rating Surovy just a little bit....seriously, the chances of Surovy scoring 40 goals/season are almost non-existent.
Value wise, I would say that things are a little lopsided towards the Pens, but not by much (if any).
Melichar is a young defense with some potential, but also a bad injury history.
Surovy is an unproven sniper with good potential.
The third seems a bit steep.
McKee is one thing that no one else in this proposal is -- proven.
The sixth seems a bit weak.

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06-30-2004, 11:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by go kim johnsson
Surovy >>>>>>>>>> McKee


Not even comparable.

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06-30-2004, 11:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanielBriere48
Tim Connolly




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And then in the wings
Thomas Vanek
Daniel Paille
Jason Pominville
Paul Gaustud
You can't compare prospects who haven't played a single minute on NHL ice - no matter how promising they are - with players who have proven to be able to score in the big league. Vanek, Paille and the likes are obviously more highly touted and have more potentials than Tomas Surovy. But until they have proven their ability to score in the NHL, as Surovy has, it's too early to claim that these upper-echelon prospects are "better" than Surovy.

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You can't compare prospects who haven't played a single minute on NHL ice - no matter how promising they are - with players who have proven to be able to score in the big league. Vanek, Paille and the likes are obviously more highly touted and have more potentials than Tomas Surovy. But until they have proven their ability to score in the NHL, as Surovy has, it's too early to claim that these upper-echelon prospects are "better" than Surovy.
Surovy has 15 goals in about a season's worth of experience. He hasn't proven anything.

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Beech

Could a deal be reached to send Beech for Connelly?

How about Morozov for J.P. Dumont?

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your nutty

Am I? While we all have high hopes for Orpik as a possible premier #2 dman, he certainly doesn't possess the vision, consistency, and experience a solid well-rounded vet like Mckee has. NOT YET. All those attributes I mentioned come with seasoning and Orpik is fresh off a rookie season, no matter how well he did and how you look at it.

Orpik might very well end up being miles better than McKee - I certainly hope he does. But not right now. Not yet anyways.

Tarnstrom, while being a great offensive dman, is not exactly what you'll call a steady defensive contributor.

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Quote:
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Surovy has 15 goals in about a season's worth of experience. He hasn't proven anything.

And Vanek + Paille has ???

Perhaps I shouldn't used the word "proven". After all Surovy is just beginning to cast off his label as a prospect. But when being contrasted to Vanek etc he is "more" proven - simply because he has already played and scored in the NHL.

Tomas Surovy is most definitely not "proven" in the sense that someone like Daniel Sedin or Henrik Zetterberg is. But he is more of a known commodity than Vanek is at this stage of their development. That's all I am trying to say.

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ugh. no no and no.

as for Morozov for Dumont, i'll do that.

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What are you laughing at?Connolly has more skill in his right foot then Surovy has all together.Connolly is one of the most skilled players in the league.Connolly has scored 40 points in a season 2 times before,how many times has Surovy had?And Funny thing is Connolly is the same age.And You can't even compare them at full potential,as Surovy at full potential is a 20 goal scorer,while Connolly is a 60 assist playmaking center.

Even right now Connolly has the advantage,concussion or not.



And a big NO for the Morozov-Dumont proposal.He's injury prone and even more inconsistent then JP.

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Surovy next season is a 20 goal scorer. I can almost guarantee it. He had 11 in 45 games. Put that on an 82 game season, its 20 goals. Surovy at full potential is not a 20 goal scorer. His talent is far beyond that. With his vision and his amazing ability to put the puck in the net, I say he can be a 30-35 goal scorer.

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And Vanek + Paille has ???
When did I say that?


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Tomas Surovy is most definitely not "proven" in the sense that someone like Daniel Sedin or Henrik Zetterberg is. But he is more of a known commodity than Vanek is at this stage of their development. That's all I am trying to say.
That sounds good to me. But I don't think Surovy has established himself to the point where comparing him to quality prospects is unreasonable.

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as Surovy at full potential is a 20 goal scorer,
my guess is you have never seen Surovy shoot the puck. and dont forget: Connoly's supporting cast was a lot better than Surovy's. also, surovy had 23 points in 47 games, thats a point every other game almost, so about 40 points in a full season, the same as Connoly. his career stats: 73 gp, 15 g 19 a (34 points). thats pretty close to 40 in less than a full season of play.

im not trying to take away from Connoly, and i'm not saying Surovy is better or worse, but give credit where it is due. you want to think Connoly is better, fine, no problem, but dont act like Surovy can only muster 20 goals when h had half that in half a season with only 26 games prior NHL experience.

yes Connoly may have more potential, i would hope so being a top 5 pick over a 4th rounder, but stored potential and realized potential are different. right now, they seem to be at the same level if you go by points per game which is your basis of comparison.

and yes, it does matter if Connoly has a cuncussion, because if he doesnt play again, i cant imagine you wanting him over surovy. if he starts playing again, we'll just have to wait and see how he does and then compare.

and for the record i do not think surovy will be a 40 goals scorer, though i dont think 30 is by any means out of the question. also, i do like Connoly, i think he has a load of potential, but whether he can bring it out, health problems or not, is his biggest factor.

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Surovy won't score 40, but he could score 30. He'll look really nice next to Malkin. I'll keep him.

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