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1992 NHL Entry Draft NHL Totals
Num. Drafted By Player Pos GP G A Pts
1 Tampa Bay Roman Hamrlik D 1297 152 468 620
2 Ottawa Alexei Yashin C 850 337 444 781
3 San Jose Mike Rathje D 768 30 150 180
4 Quebec Todd Warriner L 453 65 89 154
5 NY Islanders Darius Kasparaitis D 863 27 136 163
6 Calgary Cory Stillman C 1010 275 441 716
7 Philadelphia Ryan Sittler L 0 0 0 0

1993 NHL Entry Draft NHL Totals
1 Ottawa Alexandre Daigle R 616 129 198 327
2 Hartford Chris Pronger D 1154 156 530 686
3 Tampa Bay Chris Gratton C 1092 214 354 568
4 Anaheim Paul Kariya L 989 402 587 989
5 Florida Rob Niedermayer C 1138 183 282 465
6 San Jose Viktor Kozlov C 897 198 339 537
7 Edmonton Jason Arnott C 1166 397 503 900

1994 NHL Entry Draft NHL Totals
1 Florida Ed Jovanovski D 1016 133 348 481
2 Anaheim Oleg Tverdovsky D 713 77 240 317
3 Ottawa Radek Bonk C 969 194 303 497
4 Edmonton Jason Bonsignore C 79 3 13 16
5 Hartford Jeff O'Neill C 821 237 259 496
6 Edmonton Ryan Smyth L 1054 352 401 753
7 Los Angeles Jamie Storr G 219 0 3 3

1995 NHL Entry Draft

1 Ottawa Bryan Berard D 619 76 247 323
2 NY Islanders Wade Redden D 994 106 344 450
3 Los Angeles Aki-Petteri Berg D 606 15 70 85
4 Anaheim Chad Kilger C 714 107 111 218
5 Tampa Bay Daymond Langkow C 1013 259 382 641
6 Edmonton Steve Kelly L 149 9 12 21
7 Winnipeg Shane Doan C 1106 292 434 726

1996 NHL Entry Draft

1 Ottawa Chris Phillips D 930 60 175 235
2 San Jose Andrei Zyuzin D 496 38 82 120
3 NY Islanders J.P. Dumont R 813 213 308 521
4 Washington Alexandre Volchkov R 3 0 0 0
5 Dallas Richard Jackman D 231 19 58 77
6 Edmonton Boyd Devereaux C 627 67 112 179
7 Buffalo Erik Rasmussen C 545 52 76 128

1997 NHL Entry Draft
1 Boston Joe Thornton C 981 301 686 987
2 San Jose Patrick Marleau L 1021 347 398 745
3 Los Angeles Olli Jokinen C 948 266 350 616
4 NY Islanders Roberto Luongo G 663 0 16 16
5 NY Islanders Eric Brewer D 745 65 144 209
6 Calgary Daniel Tkaczuk C 19 4 7 11
7 Tampa Bay Paul Mara D 720 64 187 251

1998 NHL Entry Draft
1 Tampa Bay Vincent Lecavalier C 919 342 434 776
2 Nashville David Legwand C 754 163 276 439
3 San Jose Brad Stuart D 780 68 211 279
4 Vancouver Bryan Allen D 504 28 72 100
5 Anaheim Vitaly Vishnevsky D 552 16 52 68
6 Calgary Rico Fata R 230 27 36 63
7 NY Rangers Manny Malhotra C 774 101 157 258

1999 NHL Entry Draft
1 Atlanta Patrik Stefan C 455 64 124 188
2 Vancouver Daniel Sedin L 774 243 390 633
3 Vancouver Henrik Sedin C 797 154 499 653
4 NY Rangers Pavel Brendl W 78 11 11 22
5 NY Islanders Tim Connolly C 612 114 267 381
6 Nashville Brian Finley G 4 0 0 0
7 Washington Kris Beech C 198 25 42 67

2000 NHL Entry Draft
1 NY Islanders Rick DiPietro G 302 0 16 16
2 Atlanta Dany Heatley L 657 321 360 681
3 Minnesota Marian Gaborik L 627 279 283 562
4 Columbus Rostislav Klesla D 519 42 92 134
5 NY Islanders Raffi Torres L 501 111 98 209
6 Nashville Scott Hartnell L 746 180 218 398
7 Boston Lars Jonsson D 8 0 2 2

2001 NHL Entry Draft
1 Atlanta Ilya Kovalchuk L 686 362 328 690
2 Ottawa Jason Spezza C 511 183 326 509
3 Tampa Bay Alexandr Svitov C 179 13 24 37
4 Florida Stephen Weiss C 548 121 207 328
5 Anaheim Stanislav Chistov L 196 19 42 61
6 Minnesota Mikko Koivu C 420 94 210 304
7 Mtl. Canadiens Mike Komisarek D 459 13 59 72

2002 NHL Entry Draft
1 Columbus Rick Nash L 582 256 225 481
2 Atlanta Kari Lehtonen G 270 0 11 11
3 Florida Jay Bouwmeester D 623 60 191 251
4 Philadelphia Joni Pitkanen D 469 48 202 250
5 Pittsburgh Ryan Whitney D 389 43 183 226
6 Nashville Scottie Upshall W 345 82 85 167
7 Anaheim Joffrey Lupul C 435 121 124 245

2003 NHL Entry Draft
1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury G 357 0 8 8
2 Carolina Eric Staal C 545 222 268 490
3 Florida Nathan Horton C 487 161 178 339
4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev R 416 114 144 258
5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek R 455 196 174 370
6 San Jose Milan Michalek L 441 129 148 277
7 Nashville Ryan Suter D 449 30 153 183

2004 NHL Entry Draft
1 Washington Alexander Ovechkin L 464 296 305 601
2 Pittsburgh Evgeni Malkin C 352 158 260 418
3 Chicago Cam Barker D 271 19 73 92
4 Carolina Andrew Ladd L 387 88 111 199
5 Phoenix Blake Wheeler R 229 53 63 116
6 NY Rangers Al Montoya G 16 0 1 1
7 Florida Rostislav Olesz L 349 57 75 132

2005 NHL Entry Draft
1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C 412 215 357 572
2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R 235 102 87 189
3 Carolina Jack Johnson D 267 22 76 98
4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L 169 37 31 68
5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G 194 0 6 6
6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C 259 38 43 81
7 Chicago Jack Skille R 86 12 14 26

2006 NHL Entry Draft
1 St. Louis Erik Johnson D 211 22 73 95
2 Pittsburgh Jordan Staal C 356 91 95 186
3 Chicago Jonathan Toews C 288 111 148 259
4 Washington Nicklas Backstrom C 313 86 227 313
5 Boston Phil Kessel C 360 123 108 231
6 Columbus Derick Brassard C 185 34 69 103
7 NY Islanders Kyle Okposo R 178 43 67 110

2007 NHL Entry Draft
1 Chicago Patrick Kane R 303 99 191 290
2 Philadelphia James Van Riemsdyk L 138 31 36 67
3 Phoenix Kyle Turris C 119 19 25 44
4 Los Angeles Thomas Hickey D
5 Washington Karl Alzner D 119 3 18 21
6 Edmonton Sam Gagner C 291 59 114 173
7 Columbus Jakub Voracek R 225 39 94 133

2008 NHL Entry Draft
1 Tampa Bay Steven Stamkos C 228 116 106 222
2 Los Angeles Drew Doughty D 224 32 88 120
3 Atlanta Zach Bogosian D 184 23 33 56
4 St. Louis Alex Pietrangelo D 82 10 29 39
5 Toronto Luke Schenn D 217 10 37 47
6 Columbus Nikita Filatov L 44 6 7 13
7 Nashville Colin Wilson C 103 22 23 45

2009 NHL Entry Draft
1 NY Islanders John Tavares C 147 48 61 109
2 Tampa Bay Victor Hedman D 140 7 37 44
3 Colorado Matt Duchene C 145 45 60 105
4 Atlanta Evander Kane C 124 31 31 62
5 Los Angeles Brayden Schenn C 9 0 2 2
6 Phoenix Oliver Ekman-Larsson D 47 1 10 11
7 Toronto Nazem Kadri C 18 0 6 6

2010 NHL Entry Draft
1 Edmonton Taylor Hall C 65 22 20 42
2 Boston Tyler Seguin C 61 10 11 21
3 Florida Erik Gudbranson D
4 Columbus Ryan Johansen F
5 NY Islanders Nino Niederreiter L 9 1 1 2
6 Tampa Bay Brett Connolly L
7 Carolina Jeff Skinner C 67 23 26 49


Please explain me why we should panic if we pick anywhere from 1 to 5 in a draft year where there is no clear cut N.1 and when there is 4-7 prospects that could be all interchangeable

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That 2009 draft is really turning into a monster.

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Please explain me why we should panic if we pick anywhere from 1 to 5 in a draft year where there is no clear cut N.1 and when there is 4-7 prospects that could be all interchangeable
I agree, we'll finish where we'll finish and we'll get the best player we can. Probably not a lot worse than who we might have picked otherwise.

Just curious about why the bolded players are bolded.

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I agree, we'll finish where we'll finish and we'll get the best player we can. Probably not a lot worse than who we might have picked otherwise.

Just curious about why the bolded players are bolded.
It seems they are split in two groups.

The ones that were good/great (Redden)
And as you move down the list the younger ones that have made it into the NHL

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The best IMO is the 2006 top-7

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I agree, we'll finish where we'll finish and we'll get the best player we can. Probably not a lot worse than who we might have picked otherwise.

Just curious about why the bolded players are bolded.
Because they are the best players of those top-7, players who I think are worth a top-7 selection considering what was available in those drafts.

Note : I was really undecided about Legwand. I bolded him because he has a decent PPG an there wasn't too much else in that draft year.

Like in 1996, Phillips and Dumont are bolded because it was a weak draft.
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It seems they are split in two groups.

The ones that were good/great (Redden)
And as you move down the list the younger ones that have made it into the NHL
Ya, forgot to mention about this. In the recent draft, I have bolded players that are NHL proven. Could have put JVR and Wilson but still not entirely sold on them as impact players.

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One thing that really popped out at me in this is how incredibly bad Mike Milbury's legacy in New York was - for this series of events between draft day 2000 and draft day 2001.

- Trades Luongo and Olli Jokinen for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha
- Drafts 2x in the top 5 - picks DiPietro and Raffi Torres
- Trades 2nd overall (Spezza) & Chara for Yashin (who is still on their cap hit for 4.8M this year and 2.2M for 4 more years)

Three moves in quick succession that destroyed a franchise.

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i don't think sens fans are really panicking. we understand exactly what is needed to be done over the next few years, and good draft positions will obviously help.

but if you want a reality check, look at columbus' draft record since 05'. they have picked forwards in the top 7 all but once (brule, brassard, voracek, filatov, johansen) and still don't have a playoff contender.

i actually like brassard, voracek and johansen... all i'm saying is that it can go either way on draft day.

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Please explain me why we should panic if we pick anywhere from 1 to 5 in a draft year where there is no clear cut N.1 and when there is 4-7 prospects that could be all interchangeable

There really isn't much to get excited about this year, so we are obsessing over the draft. At least it gives me a reason to watch the games, other than watching the leafs fall again.

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2006 is pretty good, but 2003 is better. The 1 and 2 pick both led their teams to cups.

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Well, since a lot of people praise Murray for his drafting abilities, wouldn't it be better for him to choose who he wants?

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Great thread. Food for thought...

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I would rather have the 1-2 in most drafts then 3-7. not too many busts at the 1-2 spot in the last 10 years.

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Agree with Wilfred.

Of the top-two picks, the 'busts' since 95 are:
Berard (eye)
Zyuzin (weak draft class)
Stefan (weak draft class)
DiPietro (off the board)
JVR (young, on stacked team)

Top-2 picks are usually solid.

That said, there's also usually a consensus for the top 1-3.

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I would rather have the 1-2 in most drafts then 3-7. not too many busts at the 1-2 spot in the last 10 years.
Of course, but sometimes the later picks in that top-7 are better than the N.1 and 2...

Particulary when there is no future generational talents/clear cut N.1-2 picks like Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kane, Stamkos, Doughty, E.Staal, Nash, Kovalchuk, Spezza, Heatley, Lecavalier, Thornton, Pronger

Maybe I'm underating a prospect in the next draft I dunno but I don't see a big name like that except maybe Larsson

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Well, since a lot of people praise Murray for his drafting abilities, wouldn't it be better for him to choose who he wants?
lol, You really want to be answered on this? Well, I'll do it fast because I gtg right now

Of course, it is better to have the 1st overall pick because you can really choose, but in this particular draft, it won't matter much because every single team might have a different top-5/top-7

If the Sens pick 3rd (which I think will happen) we might have the chance to pick the N.1 pick on our list, or N.2 if less luck. The top-4/5 picks are pretty much interchangeable and it's probably the most imprevisible draft there has been in a while.

Finally, I hate teams losing on purpose on not giving the effort to at least try to win. We already did everything we could to "tank" : trade veteran players and depht, sit Alfredsson and pick marginal players on waivers (Svatos, McE). Heck, François freaking Lessard is playing instead of O'Brien/Daugavins/Locke/Wick...

The only thing you have to do now, is let things go "naturally". It will happen what will happen

Teams losing on purpose deserve bad karma (see Daigle). Count me out if they do it again

I'm not worried. Anyway, it takes real problems for me to get worried.


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Of course, but sometimes the later picks in that top-7 are better than the N.1 and 2...

Particulary when there is no future generational talents/clear cut N.1-2 picks like Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kane, Stamkos, Doughty, E.Staal, Nash, Kovalchuk, Spezza, Heatley, Lecavalier, Thornton, Pronger

Maybe I'm underating a prospect in the next draft I dunno but I don't see a big name like that except maybe Larsson



lol, You really want to be answered on this? Well, I'll do it fast because I gtg right now

Of course, it is better to have the 1st overall pick because you can really choose, but in this particular draft, it won't matter much because every single team might have a different top-5/top-7

If the Sens pick 3rd (which I think will happen) we might have the chance to pick the N.1 pick on our list, or N.2 if less luck. The top-4/5 picks are pretty much interchangeable and it's probably the most imprevisible draft there has been in a while.

Finally, I hate teams losing on purpose on not giving the effort to at least try to win. We already did everything we could to "tank" : trade veteran players and depht, sit Alfredsson and pick marginal players on waivers (Svatos, McE). Heck, François freaking Lessard is playing instead of O'Brien/Daugavins/Locke/Wick...

The only thing you have to do now, is let things go "naturally". It will happen what will happen

Teams losing on purpose deserve bad karma (see Daigle). Count me out if they do it again

I'm not worried. Anyway, it takes real problems for me to get worried.
Did you really just call Heatley a 'generational talent' ?! So you are putting him in the same class as the Crosbys and Stamkoses of the world? Wow... just wow.

As for the second bolded part :

- we didn't trade our veteran guys to 'tank' , we traded them as the first step in a retool/rebuild. That's what you do when you are in that situation, trade veteran guys to contenders for prospects and/or picks
- Alfie isn't sitting because we are tanking or because we benched him, he is sitting because he is injured
- picking up guys like Svatos and McE are more to put (cheap) bodies in uniforms than anything else, with the side bonus that if they play well (a la Anderson), they could be signed as part of the rebuild, or to bridge the gap
- As for Lessard playing, with Carkner out, we need someone other than Neil who isn't a total pansy out there. Yes, guys like O'Brien bring grit, but they are better served playing a lot more in Bingo than 4th line minutes on an NHL team going nowhere this year.

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It's not because you don't believe in "karma" (or any word you want to call it) that it is unreal or retarded for a lot of people of this planet

Ever heard about "you reap what you sow" (on récolte ce que l'on sème)?

I don't think an adult can say to me that this expression is not reality.

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Did you really just call Heatley a 'generational talent' ?! So you are putting him in the same class as the Crosbys and Stamkoses of the world? Wow... just wow.

As for the second bolded part :

- we didn't trade our veteran guys to 'tank' , we traded them as the first step in a retool/rebuild. That's what you do when you are in that situation, trade veteran guys to contenders for prospects and/or picks
- Alfie isn't sitting because we are tanking or because we benched him, he is sitting because he is injured
- picking up guys like Svatos and McE are more to put (cheap) bodies in uniforms than anything else, with the side bonus that if they play well (a la Anderson), they could be signed as part of the rebuild, or to bridge the gap
- As for Lessard playing, with Carkner out, we need someone other than Neil who isn't a total pansy out there. Yes, guys like O'Brien bring grit, but they are better served playing a lot more in Bingo than 4th line minutes on an NHL team going nowhere this year.
lol, I'm not sure in what kind of world you do live after reading your post...

First, I have said "future generational talents/clear cut N.1-2 picks". It means that not all the players in my list are/were generational talents. I thought it was clear enough

Then, if we ever get a player as good as Heatley in the next draft, I'll be very happy. If you are disappointed with picking a guy like Heatley with your 2nd/3rd overall pick, I dunno what to say. Wow... just wow I guess.

- 26 goals, 41 assists, 67 pts in his rookie season, 41 goals, 48 assists, 89 pts in his sophomore season

- We all know what happened then with the famous car accident. A tragedy like that and injuries (knees, eye...) brought his career down

- BUT, he still came to Ottawa and scored back-to-back 50 goals seasons and over 100 pts as hell (how many Sens players did that?)

Not exactly a bust if you ask me. We might not like him as a person and yes he turned his back on us, but he is still a very good hockey player. He is just a headcase.

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Ok, for the next part, maybe I wasn't clear enough

- I didn't say we traded them to tank on purpose, but it did happen... no? So, it's not suppose to help the team win when we are playing rookies and waived players instead of established NHL players.

- I'm not an insider so I'm not sure about Alfie, but how do you know if he couldn't still play injured? A lot of players play injured all the time.

- I really doubt Potulny and Svatos are back next year. Just like Lessard and McE, they are just warm bodies to not deplete Bingo too much... Cheap options and not a reason why we are winning

- Like I just said, we could easily survive without Lessard. Smith and Winchester can fight too. I believe Greening could too. Lessard just fills a jersey for cheap and it keeps a guy like Wick/Locke/JOB in Bingo


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It's not because you don't believe in "karma" (or any word you want to call it) that it is unreal or retarded for a lot of people of this planet

Ever heard about "you reap what you sow" (on récolte ce que l'on sème)?

I don't think an adult can say to me that this expression is not reality.



lol, I'm not sure in what kind of world you do live after reading your post...

First, I have said "future generational talents/clear cut N.1-2 picks". It means that not all the players in my list are/were generational talents. I thought it was clear enough

Then, if we ever get a player as good as Heatley in the next draft, I'll be very happy. If you are disappointed with picking a guy like Heatley with your 2nd/3rd overall pick, I dunno what to say. Wow... just wow I guess.

- 26 goals, 41 assists, 67 pts in his rookie season, 41 goals, 48 assists, 89 pts in his sophomore season

- We all know what happened then with the famous car accident. A tragedy like that and injuries (knees, eye...) brought his career down

- BUT, he still came to Ottawa and scored back-to-back 50 goals seasons and over 100 pts as hell (how many Sens players did that?)

Not exactly a bust if you ask me. We might not like him as a person and yes he turned his back on us, but he is still a very good hockey player. He is just a headcase.

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Ok, for the next part, maybe I wasn't clear enough

- I didn't say we traded them to tank on purpose, but it did happen... no? So, it's not suppose to help the team win when we are playing rookies and waived players instead of established NHL players.

- I'm not an insider so I'm not sure about Alfie, but how do you know if he couldn't still play injured? A lot of players play injured all the time.

- I really doubt Potulny and Svatos are back next year. Just like Lessard and McE, they are just warm bodies to not deplete Bingo too much... Cheap options and not a reason why we are winning

- Like I just said, we could easily survive without Lessard. Smith and Winchester can fight too. I believe Greening could too. Lessard just fills a jersey for cheap and it keeps a guy like Wick/Locke/JOB in Bingo
My bad if I misunderstood. I don't doubt that Heatley, much as we all despise him, was worth his draft position at the time. However, I really feel that if you took away Alfie and Spezza from his line and replaced them with more average players, that his numbers would absolutely plummet. Look at his time now in SJ, playing with Thornton, one of the best (maybe the best) playmakers in the league, and much of the time with Marleau as well, and his numbers have dropped significantly for a few years in a row now. Even if you put aside his attitude and loyalty and personality issues, and just look at him as a hockey player, here are the objective facts :

- he is slow
- he doesn't make his linemates and teammates better (in fact, it can be argued that he makes them worse, if anything)
- he is not physical, in fact he is quite easily knocked off the puck
- he's not a very good setup man
- he is really nothing more than a slapshot

Regarding your other responses :

- there is a big difference between trading (almost) your entire team to try to tank (who really does this? No team I know of) and trading them to put a rebuild in motion. I do think that rebuilding after having one bad season was a mistake, but now that it's started, hopefully we will end up being the Detroit Red Wings in a few years
- I can't beleive you would question whether Alfie could be playing right now. This man has routinely played hurt and played with pain, and still played his *** off. Who are you to doubt him?
- I agree that guys like Potulny and Svatos are uniform fillers, but if they perform, then we could find a diamond in the rough

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Man, the 1996 draft stunk. Just look at that top 7. As for Ottawa, no matter who we draft with our top 7 pick we should get a good player. Hoping it's a forward though.

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My bad if I misunderstood. I don't doubt that Heatley, much as we all despise him, was worth his draft position at the time. However, I really feel that if you took away Alfie and Spezza from his line and replaced them with more average players, that his numbers would absolutely plummet. Look at his time now in SJ, playing with Thornton, one of the best (maybe the best) playmakers in the league, and much of the time with Marleau as well, and his numbers have dropped significantly for a few years in a row now. Even if you put aside his attitude and loyalty and personality issues, and just look at him as a hockey player, here are the objective facts :

- he is slow
- he doesn't make his linemates and teammates better (in fact, it can be argued that he makes them worse, if anything)
- he is not physical, in fact he is quite easily knocked off the puck
- he's not a very good setup man
- he is really nothing more than a slapshot

Regarding your other responses :

- there is a big difference between trading (almost) your entire team to try to tank (who really does this? No team I know of) and trading them to put a rebuild in motion. I do think that rebuilding after having one bad season was a mistake, but now that it's started, hopefully we will end up being the Detroit Red Wings in a few years
- I can't beleive you would question whether Alfie could be playing right now. This man has routinely played hurt and played with pain, and still played his *** off. Who are you to doubt him?
- I agree that guys like Potulny and Svatos are uniform fillers, but if they perform, then we could find a diamond in the rough
- I somewhat agree about Heatley. I am glad he is not around anymore even if his production is hard to replace. We really saw what he was made of when we gave him the A in 2008-09 and we wanted him to carry a line by himself.

He is a sniper, a complimentary player who will score after his linemates do the dirty work and the playmaking

He could have been something else though if it wasn't for that car acccident. Sure Heatley did produce for the Sens but why couldn't we keep Marian Hossa instead?

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- But you agree with me that if you trade your NHL veterans and replace them by AHL plugs (Lessard), waiver fodder (Svatos), AHL players (Smith, Potulny) and prospects (Condra, Butler, Greening), it should naturally bring you to "tank", even if you want it or not.

- I respect your opinion, but after watching this team fade away and decline years after years, I strongly believe it was time for a change. We only traded Fisher and Kelly from the old core. Alfie is injured but still has 1 or 2 years left. Philips will still be here for 3 years and Neil (probably) for 2 more years.

What we did was more :

- Save some salary for the remainder of the season (Melnyk cutting loss)
- Get more draft picks and get rid of some UFAs that won't be back (Kovalev, Ruutu)
- Change a part of the Team culture
- Open roster spots for prospects now and next season (Campoli, Fisher, Kelly spots are opened + spots opened by the departure of UFAs)
- Re-arrange the salary cap-structure (Kelly + Fisher = 6.3 per season)

- lol, calm down about Alfie. When did I doubted him or anything? Control your emotions. I'm just saying that if we were in the playoffs race, he could have played injured or would have came back earlier, who knows? It's not like Alfie never did that... but maybe you're new around the team

- There is no diamond in the rough with Potulny and Svatos. They could fill a roster spot short term, but they are more left overs than anything (more in Svatos case). Potulny has been Cloustonized so far, so no idea if he can produce or anything.

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Man, the 1996 draft stunk. Just look at that top 7. As for Ottawa, no matter who we draft with our top 7 pick we should get a good player. Hoping it's a forward though.
You are severely underrating Boyd Devereaux

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