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03-12-2011, 08:17 PM
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Schenn + Kadri + Colborne + Gardiner + 1st in 2012 + 3rd in 2013
I didn't know that the Leafs were getting Ryan Kesler.

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he's no better than grabovski and we are looking for a center thats better than grabo to play the first line with kessel. the leafs will trade for a centerman this summer but i hope it's not voracek.
There is no way you can compare Voracek and Grabovski.

Jakub is someone you can start building a team around. He is a very good playmaker that will only get better.

Grabovski is not a player you would want to build your team around.

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03-12-2011, 08:19 PM
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I didn't know that the Leafs were getting Ryan Kesler.



There is no way you can compare Voracek and Grabovski.

Jakub is someone you can start building a team around. He is a very good playmaker that will only get better.

Grabovski is not a player you would want to build your team around.
umm i wouldn't build a team around either one

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umm i wouldn't build a team around either one
Obviously.

I didn't mean building around them as they are the franchise's guy.

I mean as part of a good core of a team.

If you have a core of 4 or 5 players, I would MUCH rather have Jakub than Grabovski, that's my point.

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03-12-2011, 08:25 PM
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Obviously.

I didn't mean building around them as they are the franchise's guy.

I mean as part of a good core of a team.

If you have a core of 4 or 5 players, I would MUCH rather have Jakub than Grabovski, that's my point.
oh ok. i thought you were just overrating voracek like crazy

but right now kulemin and grabovski has clicked well for us. i don't think leaf fans are going to be interested in losing either one

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oh ok. i thought you were just overrating voracek like crazy

but right now kulemin and grabovski has clicked well for us. i don't think leaf fans are going to be interested in losing either one
At the same time you need to look at the big picture, and do leafs fans really like the idea of building a team around Kulemin and Grabovski?

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At the same time you need to look at the big picture, and do leafs fans really like the idea of building a team around Kulemin and Grabovski?
not sure what you mean by building around, because the grabovski line is the leafs' 2nd line (or supposed to be anyway). not our first and we're fine with that because all three forwards in that line have 20 or more goals in the season while being the most reliably defensive (best +/- rating in the team)

if we're going to have our futures in play, it better be to improve the first line or our powerplay

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At the same time you need to look at the big picture, and do leafs fans really like the idea of building a team around Kulemin and Grabovski?
big YES. they're usually our best, most consistent forwards. Both on pace for 30+ goals.

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Voracek could go to the Leafs. A #1 defenseman or a #1 center would have to be coming back. Not a #1 center or defenseman prospect, an NHL #1. As soon as the Leafs get either of those, they could call Columbus.

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Voracek could go to the Leafs. A #1 defenseman or a #1 center would have to be coming back. Not a #1 center or defenseman prospect, an NHL #1. As soon as the Leafs get either of those, they could call Columbus.
you think voracek is worth a #1 center or #1 defenseman? wow. just wow

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you think voracek is worth a #1 center or #1 defenseman? wow. just wow
No, but that's only what we should be moving him for. In other words, we don't think he should be moved unless it's for an overpayment.

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you think voracek is worth a #1 center or #1 defenseman? wow. just wow
I'm not sure why you believe I think Voracek is worth a #1 center or a #1 defenseman. I'm saying the only way to get him is in a deal involving one of those.

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No, but that's only what we should be moving him for. In other words, we don't think he should be moved unless it's for an overpayment.
I'm sure it may feel like an overpayment, but I think Columbus would offer Voracek plus to land either.

I'm saying Columbus isn't going to trade Voracek unless the total deal addresses one of the team's major gaps.

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I'm sure it may feel like an overpayment, but I think Columbus would offer Voracek plus to land either.

I'm saying Columbus isn't going to trade Voracek unless the total deal addresses one of the team's major gaps.
That's what I'm saying too. I wasn't saying that I think Voracek alone could garner those pieces, but he'd be the centerpiece in a package for one of them.

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At the same time you need to look at the big picture, and do leafs fans really like the idea of building a team around Kulemin and Grabovski?
Yes we do actually. Kulemin moreso than Grabovski but the answer is a definitive yes. With MacArthur Im not sure you could name a better second line in the NHL. 3 young/youngish players all scoring on pace for over 60 points? Yes please

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I would never consider trading Jake for Schenn.

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I would never consider trading Jake for Schenn.
lol @ homerism

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Honestly, Schenn for Voracek is the closest value-wise you could probably get if these two teams were talking trade for Voracek.

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Likely easier to get Filatov from them...

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I would never consider trading Jake for Schenn.
I thought Doug McLean left Columbus?

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I would never consider trading Jake for Schenn.
You've gotta be kidding me.

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lol @ homerism
Care to explain why? Both are the same age, have been top-10 picks with up and downs but for the most part, have both developped accordingly. One is a top-4 defensive defensmen, the best young D-man the Leafs have and the other one is a top-6 forward with a PPG potential.

The notion that Schenn is worth way more the Voracek shows balant homerism and is flawed until proven otherwise.

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Homerism? Nope, I don't feel like adding a defensive dman for Voracek is a correct move. Schenn doesn't make Columbus any better than Voracek does, actually he would probably make us worse. We add a defender who can't score at the expense of our top line winger who is going to score a lot of points in the league. You win with guys like Voracek as the main pieces of a team, Schenn I don't think is that guy I'd be willing to lose Voracek for.

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Why? Tell me the advantages of trading a guy like Voracek for a young defensive defender. How does it make Columbus better?


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Nope I'm not, care to elaborate why you think Columbus would be better off?

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Homerism? Nope, I don't feel like adding a defensive dman for Voracek is a correct move. Schenn doesn't make Columbus any better than Voracek does, actually he would probably make us worse. We add a defender who can't score at the expense of our top line winger who is going to score a lot of points in the league. You win with guys like Voracek as the main pieces of a team, Schenn I don't think is that guy I'd be willing to lose Voracek for.





Why? Tell me the advantages of trading a guy like Voracek for a young defensive defender. How does it make Columbus better?






Nope I'm not, care to elaborate why you think Columbus would be better off?
You said it, you wouldn't even consider dealing Voracek for Schenn. If you said, I wouldn't deal Voracek for Schenn, I wouldn't care but to not even consider it would be insane. Schenn is already one of the better younger d-men in the game and is only getting better. Leading the league in hits, near the top in blocked shots, night after night getting the toughest assignments. Every team in the league would want this guy, you can build a defense around him.

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