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03-15-2011, 05:43 PM
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562. Reen Machine - Montreal Canadiens - Louis Berlinguette, LW
563. Home Nugget - Detroit Riots - Yvon Lambert, LW
564. EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Art Ross, Coach
565. Dwight - Battle Creek Battallion - Petr Svoboda, D
566. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Rejean Houle, RW
5 great picks. Looking at the draft list, the last run of 5 picks I had as much esteem for was in early round 10:

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369. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Clarence "Taffy" Abel, D
370. raleh - Springfield Indians - Don Marshall, LW
371. overpass - Ottawa Senators - Dick Irvin, coach
372. MVPeyton & The Sabre - Portland Pirates - Hugh Lehman, G
373. seventieslord - Regina Pats - Fred Shero, coach

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03-15-2011, 05:47 PM
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Proof that Mario is arguably the best PP player ever?
What's your point?

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03-15-2011, 05:54 PM
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03-15-2011, 05:55 PM
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I have had four requests to help GMs out with advice. Anytime! Shoot off a question and I'll gladly contribute. I'm not online everyday, so last minute assistance is hit or miss. But I'm on two or three times a week at least.


This guy is in serious need of a bio. Awesome pick at this point. He needs to be profiled.
Hopefully I can. Definitely an intriguing player

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03-15-2011, 06:01 PM
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Left my list with TDMM, please PM him when my turn comes up as he picks right after me anyway.

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03-15-2011, 06:02 PM
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Hopefully I can. Definitely an intriguing player
Svoboda's (Czech) speaking skill is horrible by the way

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Svoboda's (Czech) speaking skill is horrible by the way
As bad as that of Tikkanen? He can't speak any language well!

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03-15-2011, 06:20 PM
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Proof that Mario is arguably the best PP player ever?
arguably? lol

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03-15-2011, 06:21 PM
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As bad as that of Tikkanen? He can't speak any language well!
I vividly remember watching World Cup of Hockey 2004, Czechs against Canada semi-final, and I was wondering who is the American color commentator with broken Czech? During the intermission, I found out it's Svoboda.

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Little mistake on the Berlinquette name , it's with a Q not a G.

no big deal

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Little mistake on the Berlinquette name , it's with a Q not a G.

no big deal
You sure? I've always seen it spelt with a G, including on LegendsofHockey, hockey-reference, hockeydb, etc.

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03-15-2011, 06:46 PM
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Completed Johnny Peirson bio:

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562. Reen Machine - Montreal Canadiens - Louis Berlinguette, LW
563. Home Nugget - Detroit Riots - Yvon Lambert, LW
564. EagleBelfour - Detroit Falcons - Art Ross, Coach
565. Dwight - Battle Creek Battallion - Petr Svoboda, D
566. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Rejean Houle, RW
5 great picks. Looking at the draft list, the last run of 5 picks I had as much esteem for was in early round 10:

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369. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Clarence "Taffy" Abel, D
370. raleh - Springfield Indians - Don Marshall, LW
371. overpass - Ottawa Senators - Dick Irvin, coach
372. MVPeyton & The Sabre - Portland Pirates - Hugh Lehman, G
373. seventieslord - Regina Pats - Fred Shero, coach
- Big fan of Berlinguette, who's offensive production wfill be very minimal in this draft, but brings a high level of defensive hockey
- I always viewed him as an elite 4th-liner, but in 40 teams he's a well deserve scrappy 3rd liner
- I'm happy to see my selection on your list. I never been a good judge for coach talent, but Art Ross was one of the two remaining coach I hold in high regard
- I would need to see a good argument for Svoboda. Not that he's not a deserving selection, but I have very few clue on him
- Greatest nickname ever! Definitely a fine bottom-6 player with 40 teams

- I quoted your post for this player only. Why do you view Clarence Abel so highly? I thought he was a major reach when he got selected. As a GM who already owned him (as a #7), Abel is a very intimidating presence on the backend. He was very poor offensively and I havn't found anything special about his defensive abilities: his greatest moment defensively was when he was paired with the great Ching Johnson. He was a notorious slow skater and played 7 years in the NHL, which isn't very long. I think he's a fine #6 defenceman, playing sheltered minute at most, but I honestly think he's a major liability if he's playing on anyone Top-4. I really need to be sold on him.
- The last four are very nice selection.

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03-15-2011, 08:03 PM
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EB, I really hope you do a profile on Art Ross as a coach. He's one of the few coaches always drafted in this that I don't really have a good feel for.

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03-15-2011, 08:05 PM
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Then Dreakmur picks: Andy "Spuds" Hebenton, RW
Thank you for making my selection.

Can't beleive I missed the Pappin pick earlier.


I had Jim Pappin, Andy Hebenton, and Johnny Peirson as my targets to play with Pete Mahovlich and Edgar Laprade. All 3 werre very close, so I would be happy with any of them.

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03-15-2011, 08:13 PM
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EB, I really hope you do a profile on Art Ross as a coach. He's one of the few coaches always drafted in this that I don't really have a good feel for.
I hope I'll have the time!

Right Now: Floyd Curry (about 30% done)
Next in line: Summary biography of Vladimir Krutov

I'll skip Don Marcotte and Ken Mosdell, and I'll probably 'steal' a biography already done on them and link them on my roster page. I would like to do one on Jerry Korab, to see how good he was defensively. Obviously, at this point I will need major selling on the goaltenders I will select (I have one in mind) so they will probably be my priority as soon as a select them. Afterwards, I'll try to do a coach biography on Ross (I actually never done a biography on my coach, I'm not good for judging coaches)

We'll see I guess!

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03-15-2011, 08:58 PM
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This guy is in serious need of a bio. Awesome pick at this point. He needs to be profiled.
You're telling me.

His prime was when I was a kid. I remembered his name being fairly prominent, and he was always on HNIC as a hab, but to my knowledge was never considered a star.

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How many goalies did Green coach?

I would love a good bio on him though. I can't get a good read on those Sens teams. They were so stacked that it's hard to tell if everyone was amazing or if some people got a boost by being surrounded by talent.
I don't know how many goalies he's coached off the top of my head; never thought about it really. Are you saying it was just one - Benedict?

But yeah, I feel the same way about those Sens. Look how many drafts it took to really get to the bottom of who the MVP was.

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-- I quoted your post for this player only. Why do you view Clarence Abel so highly? I thought he was a major reach when he got selected. As a GM who already owned him (as a #7), Abel is a very intimidating presence on the backend. He was very poor offensively and I havn't found anything special about his defensive abilities: his greatest moment defensively was when he was paired with the great Ching Johnson. He was a notorious slow skater and played 7 years in the NHL, which isn't very long. I think he's a fine #6 defenceman, playing sheltered minute at most, but I honestly think he's a major liability if he's playing on anyone Top-4. I really need to be sold on him.
I don't know where that quote is now, but Taffy Abel was in a way the opposite of what we've always thought. He was actually a pretty swift skater, and he wasn't mean (although his size still probably made him intimidating). Frank Boucher said something like, "guys bounced off of him like he was made of pillows". I am still at work (long night) but I bet if you search for posts by me that say "Abel" you could find it.

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A couple great quotes regarding Red Berenson:

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Looking for a new hero after Gordie Howe hung up his skates, Red Wings fans turned their lonely eyes to another Gord - Gordon (Red) Berenson. "Nobody replaces Howe," Berenson said. "But if I can set an example by playing solid positional hockey and covering my man at all times, them I'm ready for that responsibility."
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Berenson is a real superstar and has the leadership qualities we want," Wings GM Ned Harkness said
- http://redwings.nhl.com/club/page.ht...ol-redberenson

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I don't know where that quote is now, but Taffy Abel was in a way the opposite of what we've always thought. He was actually a pretty swift skater, and he wasn't mean (although his size still probably made him intimidating). Frank Boucher said something like, "guys bounced off of him like he was made of pillows". I am still at work (long night) but I bet if you search for posts by me that say "Abel" you could find it.
I tried to find it, but was unable to do so. I will have to rectify my view on Abel when someone will provide me these quotes. How was he defensively? Although he was known as a stay-at-home defenceman, was he good at it?

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I tried to find it, but was unable to do so. I will have to rectify my view on Abel when someone will provide me these quotes. How was he defensively? Although he was known as a stay-at-home defenceman, was he good at it?
I don't know if I can answer the last part.

However, I do know exactly where I got the quote - it was from Frank Boucher's book "When the Rangers Were Young" so it won't be hard to find again if I have to.

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I don't know if I can answer the last part.

However, I do know exactly where I got the quote - it was from Frank Boucher's book "When the Rangers Were Young" so it won't be hard to find again if I have to.
Post it whenever you get the chance.

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I tried to find it, but was unable to do so. I will have to rectify my view on Abel when someone will provide me these quotes. How was he defensively? Although he was known as a stay-at-home defenceman, was he good at it?
Here's the bio I did on him last draft.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=149

Multiple sources talking about his defensive play.

Outside of UH's "Worst Skater" tag, I was not able to find anything that said he was a poor skater.

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Here's the bio I did on him last draft.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=149

Multiple sources talking about his defensive play.

Outside of UH's "Worst Skater" tag, I was not able to find anything that said he was a poor skater.
not surprising. Their "worst defensive forward of the 1970s" title doesn't stand up to scrutiny either.

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Here's the bio I did on him last draft.

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=149

Multiple sources talking about his defensive play.

Outside of UH's "Worst Skater" tag, I was not able to find anything that said he was a poor skater.
Ahh! I missed that biography last time around! Actually, Abel pretty much look like a Bert Corbeau-lite:

Offensively: Corbeau was a decent offensive defenceman, while Abel was a pretty poor one

Defensively: Both won't be match up against opposition's best line, but they won't hurt you in the ATD defensively.

Speed: In light of that quote by Frank Boucher, Abel definitely was not the worst skater of his era. Perhaps he was more agile than speedy, but I would say both were decent-average skater in this context.

Strength/Body Checking/Intimidation: Without nit-picking, pretty much equal and excellent-elite in the ATD context.

Longevity: Corbeau do own a 2-to-1 ratio of high professional hockey years over Abel

Leadership: Corbeau was a captain on multiple occasion. I don't know nothing about Abel, although it's worth mentioning that he was the flag carrier for the US in the 1924 Olympics.

Nice to see two deserving player getting more recognition this time around. Abel definitely look like a nice #4 defenceman in this draft.

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