I don't need to see two UFCs + some UFN + gay TUF shows.
I enjoy MMA, but I don't need to see some all the time. Perhaps you do and it's fine, but I'm more of the ''quality not quantity'' type.
White could very well do one UFC per month and make it incredibly packed, but instead he rather spread his talent around and make more events. I'm not blaming him for it, his goal is to make the most money and he's doing a phenomenal job at it. But I'm not making money and I have no interest in watching Chris Lytle fight again for the millionth time. Preliminary fights can be entertaining as well, but that's not why I'm tuning in. Would less events of better qualities bring in more money?? Perhaps, I have no clue.
But I would much prefer seeing less UFCs of much better qualities.
I love Chris Lytle. How can anyone being a fan of MMA not enjoy watching Lytle?
You can watch any other fighting organization if random, low end names fights are what you're interested in. Some of the fights on those shows are very good as well.
UFC prides themselves in being the top gun with all the bigger names, then you should put out big name PPVs with plenty of top fighters.
With injuries and such what you are demanding simply isn't possible. White does a fine job of making competitive, entertaining events. I love the frequency and the cards on most nights.
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You can watch any other fighting organization if random, low end names fights are what you're interested in. Some of the fights on those shows are very good as well.
UFC prides themselves in being the top gun with all the bigger names, then you should put out big name PPVs with plenty of top fighters.
Ill watch Bellator and whatever Japan has to offer too. That's being an real MMA fan. I guess you are aprt of the bandwagon.
I don't think they'll merge immediately, I mean how long did it take the WEC and UFC to merge...18-24 months or something like that. Interview is good an informative.
Zuffa bought the WEC in december 2006 and the merge happened in december 2010. So it almost took 4 years for the merge to happen, but your point stands: they won't merge immediately.
On the other hand, the WEC progressively dissolved most of the weight classes that were common with the UFC except lightweight (light heavyweight, middleweight, welterweight) so the WEC focused on bringing something to the game that the UFC didn't have (smaller weight classes, which wasn't very popular at the time). When people got interested in smaller weight classes that often showcase a lot of speed and intensity, the merge happened.
Now Strikeforce only has the female division that the UFC doesn't have and Dana White has stated many times that he wasn't interested in a female division, so I could see a merge and/or cross-promotions happening sooner than with the WEC. I could also easily see the top Strikeforce fighters moving towards the UFC at the end of their contract much more easily, as the alternative is now... inexistant (Bellator and DREAM are not on the level of Strikeforce yet).
I love Chris Lytle. How can anyone being a fan of MMA not enjoy watching Lytle?
Because I've seen him fight about 20times dating to before his TUF show, and even though he gives it his all, he should be a preliminary fighter. He's a slot filler. He'll never be good enough for a championship bout, not even good enough for a contention bout.
I never said I didn't enjoy watching him fight, I said I don't want him to be fighting in a PPV, on the main card.
To me, main cards should be reserved for Championship and contention bouts, and rising stars. As simple as that.
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With injuries and such what you are demanding simply isn't possible. White does a fine job of making competitive, entertaining events. I love the frequency and the cards on most nights.
What I am demanding is very possible if you bring the number of shows and events down. Ya injuries happen, but look at the depth of his roster.
Events where Lytle fights can be organized any time. You wouldn't have a problem with that, you love seeing him fight. Big PPVs could be organized at a lesser frequency. The only reason he puts a Penn vs Fitch fight in 127 is because without it, that event would have to be free. I don't know too many people that would pay for a PPV headlining Bisping vs Rivera.
If you would pay the usual price for it, then that's great for you, but when I pay to watch an event, I don't pay to just see fights from any random fighters, I pay to watch the best fighters of the organization fight.
Because I've seen him fight about 20times dating to before his TUF show, and even though he gives it his all, he should be a preliminary fighter. He's a slot filler. He'll never be good enough for a championship bout, not even good enough for a contention bout.
I never said I didn't enjoy watching him fight, I said I don't want him to be fighting in a PPV, on the main card.
To me, main cards should be reserved for Championship and contention bouts, and rising stars. As simple as that.
What I am demanding is very possible if you bring the number of shows and events down. Ya injuries happen, but look at the depth of his roster.
Events where Lytle fights can be organized any time. You wouldn't have a problem with that, you love seeing him fight. Big PPVs could be organized at a lesser frequency. The only reason he puts a Penn vs Fitch fight in 127 is because without it, that event would have to be free. I don't know too many people that would pay for a PPV headlining Bisping vs Rivera.
If you would pay the usual price for it, then that's great for you, but when I pay to watch an event, I don't pay to just see fights from any random fighters, I pay to watch the best fighters of the organization fight.
I'm a fan of the sport and have certain fighters I enjoy, whether they are champion calibre or not. Just like my Habs, they haven't had a legit chance at a cup in almost 20 years, but I still watch them play. I like where the UFC is at and have no problem with the ppv's put in place. Not every fight needs to be a title bout or a jon bones jones tilt. I rarely pay for any of them. I usually pay a 5 dollar cover, I have no problem paying 5$ to see a headline of Bisping vs Rivera.
I'm a fan of the sport and have certain fighters I enjoy, whether they are champion calibre or not. Just like my Habs, they haven't had a legit chance at a cup in almost 20 years, but I still watch them play. I like where the UFC is at and have no problem with the ppv's put in place. Not every fight needs to be a title bout or a jon bones jones tilt. I rarely pay for any of them. I usually pay a 5 dollar cover, I have no problem paying 5$ to see a headline of Bisping vs Rivera.
Right, but would you pay 40$+tx for it?
You're right, not every fight needs to be a high caliber one with big names, that's why there's preliminary fights or Ultimate Fight Nights. You can watch those free of charge.
I would enjoy seeing bigger, more important bouts, in the PPVs.
But it's all good if you're happy. I'm not trying to say you're wrong. I enjoy the excitement of seeing the bigger, more popular guys go at it during the PPVs. I also enjoy watching preliminary fights on the internet for free or UFN on spike. I would simply rather the UFC made more stacked PPVs. But it won't happen and Î still enjoy MMA.
You're right, not every fight needs to be a high caliber one with big names, that's why there's preliminary fights or Ultimate Fight Nights. You can watch those free of charge.
I would enjoy seeing bigger, more important bouts, in the PPVs.
But it's all good if you're happy. I'm not trying to say you're wrong. I enjoy the excitement of seeing the bigger, more popular guys go at it during the PPVs. I also enjoy watching preliminary fights on the internet for free or UFN on spike. I would simply rather the UFC made more stacked PPVs. But it won't happen and Î still enjoy MMA.
I do and have paid 40$ for the Habs and I usually don't for the UFC. Not sure if that answered the question or not, the money is a non issue for me, seeming as I don't pay it whether it's ppv or not. I would pay for it though if a situation were to arise where I couldn't see it otherwise, but I don't see that happening often.
I do and have paid 40$ for the Habs and I usually don't for the UFC. Not sure if that answered the question or not, the money is a non issue for me, seeming as I don't pay it whether it's ppv or not. I would pay for it though if a situation were to arise where I couldn't see it otherwise, but I don't see that happening often.
I believe you might be saying that for the sake of a debate. I really don't see why one would pay 40$ for a PPV being headlined by Bisping vs Rivera. Even if you did though, I strongly doubt the majority of the current payers would.
I actually pay for the events, not because I can't stream them online, everybody can. But my friends come over and we watch it. I don't care about the money either, I don't ask them to chip in, couldn't care less about that. But I certainly won't spend some money for a card that is filled up by prelim.
I believe you might be saying that for the sake of a debate. I really don't see why one would pay 40$ for a PPV being headlined by Bisping vs Rivera. Even if you did though, I strongly doubt the majority of the current payers would.
I actually pay for the events, not because I can't stream them online, everybody can. But my friends come over and we watch it. I don't care about the money either, I don't ask them to chip in, couldn't care less about that. But I certainly won't spend some money for a card that is filled up by prelim.
Oh I would pay it if I had to, I don't miss an event if I can help it, but most of the time we just hit the sports bar down the road for 5$. I have paid for a few events full price and have even put out the extra 10$ for HD, but those occasions are rare.
I'm only a casual UFC fan but the other day I was watching one of those fight night re-runs on Spike like I often do when nothings on, it's a great way to pass the time. I saw this fighter Big Country, I knew he was going to win I just had a feeling (never seen the fight before)
He was up against that 6'11" dude and he's some fat 5'11" hillbillyish dude. Man this dude is like one of my favorite fighters now. Dude is out of shape but uses his weight when he hits, he hits like a baseball player hits with a bat, he puts all his weight behind every hit. Was a sick fight he just ducks under one of the guys hits and knocks him big time.
I'm only a casual UFC fan but the other day I was watching one of those fight night re-runs on Spike like I often do when nothings on, it's a great way to pass the time. I saw this fighter Big Country, I knew he was going to win I just had a feeling (never seen the fight before)
He was up against that 6'11" dude and he's some fat 5'11" hillbillyish dude. Man this dude is like one of my favorite fighters now. Dude is out of shape but uses his weight when he hits, he hits like a baseball player hits with a bat, he puts all his weight behind every hit. Was a sick fight he just ducks under one of the guys hits and knocks him big time.
He's been around for a long time. He even went in one of TUF's show (which he won iirc). He can't handle top competition though, being fat and good at BJJ is nice vs lower competition, but when he needs cardio for longer and harder fight he just disappears after a while. Pretty funny to watch though.
I remember a funny quote from Rampage in TUF when Big Country beat one of his guy and for a long time he had a crucifix but just couldn't really hurt the guy even though he was punching him but because of his size the guy just couldn't get up and Rampage was like 'it's like having the MOON sitting on you!'.
He's been around for a long time. He even went in one of TUF's show (which he won iirc). He can't handle top competition though, being fat and good at BJJ is nice vs lower competition, but when he needs cardio for longer and harder fight he just disappears after a while. Pretty funny to watch though.
I remember a funny quote from Rampage in TUF when Big Country beat one of his guy and for a long time he had a crucifix but just couldn't really hurt the guy even though he was punching him but because of his size the guy just couldn't get up and Rampage was like 'it's like having the MOON sitting on you!'.
Yeah they had mentioned he won a season of TUF, figured I might check out that season. I have mixed feelings about that show, I know they're trying to cater to the "reality" crowd but I just wish there wasn't as much filler, could easily be a 30 minute show even with ads.(20 mins)
That being said though, never saw him fight before, figured there's no way he could beat top level competition but still one of those fighters the poster above said he'd prefer not to have on a PPV event when in reality he'd probably make for a good fight given the right opponent.
Just because somebody isn't GSP or Anderson Silva doesn't mean they can't put on a good show, and with fighting that's ultimately what it's all about because without the fans, there is no UFC. They don't pay money to see a fail product. For the diehard fans and experts I realize a fight where two guys are rolling around on the floor for 15 minutes may be exciting, but for the more casual fans, stand up is where it's at.
Don't get me wrong I don't mind ground and pound or fighting up against the cage, I just hate it when they basically do nothing for 5 minutes and the round ends. Basically one guy takes the other guy down, doesn't do much on the ground but changes positions frequently enough to not get broken up, and wins the round by laying on top of somebody for 5 minutes.
I'm a casual fan though like I said, I don't miss a PPV or free event but I'm not the most knowledgeable MMA fan.
That being said though, never saw him fight before, figured there's no way he could beat top level competition but still one of those fighters the poster above said he'd prefer not to have on a PPV event when in reality he'd probably make for a good fight given the right opponent.
He's the only man to bring Junior dos Santos who is probably the best heavyweight striker to a decision. Roy Nelson will always be in the mix for a title shot .No matter how fat he is, he's still in great shape.
But keep in mind though that Struve was fighting at 225 lbs, which is super skinny for a 6'11 fighter. I'm not so sure now that he's gained close to 35-40 lbs now that the fight would go the same way.
He's the only man to bring Junior dos Santos who is probably the best heavyweight striker to a decision. Roy Nelson will always be in the mix for a title shot .No matter how fat he is, he's still in great shape.
But keep in mind though that Struve was fighting at 225 lbs, which is super skinny for a 6'11 fighter. I'm not so sure now that he's gained close to 35-40 lbs now that the fight would go the same way.
Yeah Struve is his name. Thanks
Yeah he was really skinny but honestly I think it was just one of those fights, someone was bound to get knocked out. I'm pretty sure when you're against a guy with such a height/reach advantage your strategy is to try and end it ASAP.
EDIT: Just wanted to say because I remember this a bit vaguely but I remember they specifically mentioned it when the fight started, Big Country was 265ish pounds, and Struve was like 240ish pounds. I remember it was only a difference of roughly 20 pounds and Big Country was in the 260s.
Could it be different from the weigh-in?????
I'm at work and can't hear what they're saying. But before the fight you know how they give that chart? It was something like 265 vs 243 or something like that. He did appear to be 225ish though like you're saying.
Yeah he was really skinny but honestly I think it was just one of those fights, someone was bound to get knocked out. I'm pretty sure when you're against a guy with such a height/reach advantage your strategy is to try and end it ASAP.
Somebody's always bouned to get KTFO in the heavyweight division. Sadly, your chin doesn't really adapt to your brute strength. Those guys punch massively hard. Best example is Carwin who would always end his fights with 1 good right hand.
Somebody's always bouned to get KTFO in the heavyweight division. Sadly, your chin doesn't really adapt to your brute strength. Those guys punch massively hard. Best example is Carwin who would always end his fights with 1 good right hand.
I'm still in disbelief Lesnar beat Carwin. I thought for sure prior to the fight and even during that Carwin had his number.
I actually gained respect for Brock Lesnar after winning that fight, but you could tell he was slipping.
Next fight the same mistake wasn't made and boom, Lesnar dethroned.
I don't keep up with MMA much aside from watching the events, is Lesnar done in the UFC?
I'm at work and can't hear what they're saying. But before the fight you know how they give that chart? It was something like 265 vs 243 or something like that. He did appear to be 225ish though like you're saying.
Hes currently filming the next The Ultimate Fighter season with Dos Santos...or they might be done. It airs March 30th I think.
Nice, I had heard rumors he was going back to WWE. I thought it was a pretty stupid career move on his behalf. UFC is much better than WWE, though I guess WWE must pay pretty nicely for a guy like Brock.
Yeah i just did some research, you guys are correct, my bad. He started at 235 went on from there. I never thought he was 243 lbs for the Nelson fight thought. Anyways, he said his plan to go all the way to 290 lbs and drop weight from there...
