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[MTL ]Pouliot + Weber + pick

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03-13-2011, 04:12 PM
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[MTL ]Pouliot + Weber + pick

We need a top 6, preferably a RW.

Pouliot - despite below average numbers is providing good hockey on the 3rd line. He has untapped potential still.

Weber - learning the ropes of the NHL. Should be a decent 5-6 pairing dman and PP specialist.

Add a 3 round pick (2011) and what could Montreal land in return?


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We need a top 6, preferably a RW.

Pouliot - despite below average numbers is providing good hockey on the 3rd line. He has untapped potential still.

Weber - learning the ropes of the NHL. Should be a decent 5-6 pairing dman and PP specialist.

Add a 3 round pick (2011) and what could Montreal land in return?
Habs fan here. One thing I have learned is that even though Pouliot is really fitting in nicely on our 3rd line, and Weber is coming into his own, there are still alot of question marks attached to both these players. I really like what Weber has done this year, have been really impressed with him. I don't think the package of Pouliot + Weber+ 3rd will get us the kind of top 6 guy we are looking for.

If we are going to trade Weber along with other assets for a top 6, I would rather go all out and get a legit top line/ top 6 player. There is no point in trading Weber now, who could only reward us, for a bordeline top 6 player. In trades, if you want something (top6) its better to go out and pay a bit more but get exactly what you need. We need a top line guy.

When teams keep putting band-aids on there wholes, nothing ever gets done. For example, look at Ottawa and their goaltending for the past couple of years. Guys like Leclaire, Elliot, and so on. These guys were temporary fixes where they did not have to pay much for. You might as well pay the price of a real #1 goalie and get what you want. Luckily for them, they literally stole Anderson from COL but those trades dont happen often.

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We need a top 6, preferably a RW.

Pouliot - despite below average numbers is providing good hockey on the 3rd line. He has untapped potential still.

Weber - learning the ropes of the NHL. Should be a decent 5-6 pairing dman and PP specialist.

Add a 3 round pick (2011) and what could Montreal land in return?
No offense I don't think that is going to land you much. I like Pouliot but he has little little value, as for Weber good prospect, but projects nothing more than a PP specialist. The most value in that package is probably that 3rd round pick.

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03-13-2011, 05:21 PM
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No offense I don't think that is going to land you much. I like Pouliot but he has little little value, as for Weber good prospect, but projects nothing more than a PP specialist. The most value in that package is probably that 3rd round pick.
Nah Weber is probably at a second. But I agree with you, it wont land us much. I would rather wait a bit, show the hockey world what we know Weber will develop into, and then make a decision from there.

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I can see that being worth as much as Halak, Ryder and a 2nd rounder

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We need a top 6, preferably a RW.

Pouliot - despite below average numbers is providing good hockey on the 3rd line. He has untapped potential still.

Weber - learning the ropes of the NHL. Should be a decent 5-6 pairing dman and PP specialist.

Add a 3 round pick (2011) and what could Montreal land in return?
You don't get top 6 forwards for a bundle of tertiary assets.

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I can see that being worth as much as Halak, Ryder and a 2nd rounder
So Eller and Subban?

nice return....we don't mind the UFA ryder...

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Wojtek Wolski? I think he would fit in well in Montreal too.

Pouliot would fit in well with the Rangers style and on their 3rd line for a year or 2. Weber would be a very good fit on their 3rd pairing and help their PP.

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I don't see the Habs giving up on Pouliot yet. He's got the potential.

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Wojtek Wolski? I think he would fit in well in Montreal too.

Pouliot would fit in well with the Rangers style and on their 3rd line for a year or 2. Weber would be a very good fit on their 3rd pairing and help their PP.
What the Rags gave him for. We could give up Hammer and get him.

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I don't see the Habs giving up on Pouliot yet. He's got the potential.
He can't handle the pressure of being on the top 2 lines.

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I can't see other organizations valuing Weber or Pouliot. They're looking pretty decent for us atm, and with decent potential, but the reality is that teams out there have their own players with potential, and if they want to upgrade their lineup they can sign equivalent/better players on the UFA market. Pouliot and Weber are just fine where they are.

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He can't handle the pressure of being on the top 2 lines.
And he performs well on the 3rd line.

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They are worth more to the habs than what we'd get for them.

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The two teams that Pouliot has played for are Minnesota and a conservative system under Montreal with Jacques Martin. I think under a different team, he might show some of that potential of a high draft pick so some team should take a chance. But isnít he a UFA at the end of the season or still an RFA?

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My reasoning behind my posting of this thread was that the next UFA market hasn't the elements required for MTL: young veteran, fast, size.

Ponikarosky? Frolov? Fleischmann?

Trade seems the only way to address roster issues since we are now depleted in "NHL ready" talent in Hamilton. And again, atm nothing in Hamilton really fits Top 6 material. As one poster stated: band-aids.

I just feel that MTL is going to be in deep trouble if - and this is a big IF - Pacioretty does not return. This would infer two holes in the top 6.

So where is MTL's value for trade to land a top 6???

Let's disregard Pouliot and Weber...and any other of our top 6 (looking to add not subtract).

AK? Would need to be packaged.
Markov? UFA and questionable health.
Any of our aging defenseman? Alone wouldn't suffice.
Prospects? I'd take Pouliot before a prospect. And besides Tinordi and Kristo...

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The two teams that Pouliot has played for are Minnesota and a conservative system under Montreal with Jacques Martin. I think under a different team, he might show some of that potential of a high draft pick so some team should take a chance. But isnít he a UFA at the end of the season or still an RFA?
Pouliot is RFA at the end of the year.

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No offense I don't think that is going to land you much. I like Pouliot but he has little little value, as for Weber good prospect, but projects nothing more than a PP specialist. The most value in that package is probably that 3rd round pick.
Weber... PP specialist, ES specialist and PK specialist too...
Not a joke, he is already average (at worst or above-average at best) defensively and during the penalty killing. He has a great work ethic, he is consistent and he is physical (well... he will not drop the gloves). The only reason I see the Habs trade Yannick Weber, it's because they will have 3 RH puck-moving d-man next year if they resign James Wisniewski. Pouliot add size, offense and grit in a small but hard-working team ... and he is a good fighter (lol).
But I agree about the value of the two players... lot of potential but little proven.


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This would have got you Dustin Penner, IMHO.

If the pick was a 1st

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A lot of young players on Montreal get overrated by our fans but Weber is a guy who doesn't get that much attention because he's overshadowed by Subban. The guy was supposed to just be a power play specialist but he's improved a lot defensively and has been very solid on the PK, he won't be a top pairing defenseman but he definitely has the potential to be a top 4 defenseman if he continues to improve like he has recently.

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We need a top 6, preferably a RW.

Pouliot - despite below average numbers is providing good hockey on the 3rd line. He has untapped potential still.

Weber - learning the ropes of the NHL. Should be a decent 5-6 pairing dman and PP specialist.

Add a 3 round pick (2011) and what could Montreal land in return?
I wouldn't trade Weber if I was Montreal. He can skate and handle the puck, he is young but future Streit type player.

Only way I would trade Weber is it was to move up in draft to get Couturier


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Pouliot: Can't handle top 6 duty, little bit useless worth nothing.

Weber I really like, I can see him as a top 4.

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I think Weber + Pouliot/Kristo + 1st/3rd could be interesting.

Mix/match and see what you can come up with.

Pouliot could be the next Sergei Kostitsyn, trade him and he'll explode for a different team.
Weber is severely underrated by most of this forum but overrated by habs fans. He's somewhere in the middle of what the HF person who knows nothing thinks of him and the exaggerating fan.

Weber is already relatively sound defensively, might be a product of JM's system as in Hamilton he wasn't even great defensively, but he's addressed this area of his game and has only improved defensively since joining the squad. He's proven to be responsible in his own end and is actually pretty useful being that he's young and plays any role on D you ask of him and does it well.

That being said he has the potential to even be a #3 some day, but will more than likely end up being a solid #4 or #5 with some offensive upside.

Personally I wouldn't trade Weber or Pouliot, I think both have way too much potential, however I think being that Weber could actually land us something as part of a package, I'd be more inclined to trade him. I wouldn't want to give Benny up for nothing. Weber could potentially land us something huge if part of a solid package. Kristo I think could be added to that package to sweeten the pot. I wouldn't mind seeing Kristo dealt if something big comes back, same with Weber. Pouliot I don't believe will add enough value to any deal to be the deciding factor, therefore I'd keep him. He's starting to seem like Higgins v2.0 though. Hyped up by habs fans (myself even) when he first arrived, never really consistently clicked with the team, has had times where he put up nice numbers, never consistently though.

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I'd say their value is about Halak+Ryder+2nd.

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I'd say their value is about Halak+Ryder+2nd.
Their value could very well end up being that good. Halak is one of top young goalies in league(Weber could be a good d-man in few years). The 2nd round pick ended up being Subban who is top young defenseman in game(= to Habs #1 draft pick) and Ryder and Pouliot may balance out. Ryder scores more but makes 3x as much money.

How much would Subban, Halak and Ryder fetch on trade market today?

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