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07-04-2004, 11:19 PM
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Stanley Cup Finals VS Tour De France

Just following the early developments in the Le Tour, and it struck me that the two events are probably the closest I can find in terms of athletic/sports competition. Are there any other sports that have events that can rival these two?

Stanley Cup Finals

Time Period: April 7th - June 7th. Two months of play, every other day. (for the most part)

To win: Minimum 16 GP, 16 hours playing time, Maximum 28 GP, 28+ hours playing time (depending on overtime). Average: 22 GP, 22 hours

Competitors: 16 teams of 23 players, replacements/reserves allowed.


Le Tour

Time Period: July 3rd - July 25th. 20 days of racing, with two rest days in between.

To win: (2003 figures) 3,426 km long or 2,127 miles. Total time: 83h 41 min. Average speed - ~40 km/h or ~25mph

Competitors: 21 teams of 9 riders, no replacements/reserves allowed.


A key difference is that Le Tour is done in the natural outdoor environment, and the course is changed year to year. Hockey for the most part is played in a standardized environment.

Teamwork is important in both. For those of you who don't follow cycling it may seem like an individual effort, but I would argue that the teamwork in a race rivals that in hockey. In fact, all riders in the team are equally important in cycling, whereas one could argue that in hockey, the goalie is the key guy. Game tactics are crucial in both, and coaching can be a factor.

When one player is lost in hockey, another roster player can take his place the next game. In cycling, when you lose a teammate, your team is shortened for the duration of the tournament - there are no reserves.

Physically, both events are taxing. Strength and endurance are key in both, with endurance being key in cycling. In cycling, you conquer mountains, in hockey you're rocked by hits. Mental stamina is also a big factor in both.

Players in both sports essentially gear up their season for the respective events. In hockey, 82 games are played with countless practices in between. In cycling, various races are entered to prime up for Le Tour, as well as general training. Both events are the Holy Grails in their respective sports.


What do you think is the tougher event to win? (Given this is a hockey forum, the answer will probably be obvious, but I'm interested to hear opinions - and trust me, cycling in a tour is not a matter of just spinning your pedals!)

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Winning the tour is one of the toughest achievements in sports. Even though you're in a team, it's still not much of a team sport IMO, it will all come down to your individual qualities. Not many can win the tour, whereas about 40% of all NHL teams can win the Cup.

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Huh? How is the Tour hard to win? Its history is literally filled with dynasties, the same guy winning it year after year. Armstrong, Indurain, LeMond, Hinault, Fignon, Merckx, Anquetil, Bobet.... all of them reeling off win after win.

And Armstrong will win it all again this year. Ho hum, write his name on the trophy now.

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The Tour de France is the toughest event in sports.

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Teamwork is important in both. For those of you who don't follow cycling it may seem like an individual effort, but I would argue that the teamwork in a race rivals that in hockey. In fact, all riders in the team are equally important in cycling, whereas one could argue that in hockey, the goalie is the key guy. Game tactics are crucial in both, and coaching can be a factor.
That's not entirely true, you still have to push the pedals yourself, a teammate can't push you up the mountain you know.
Teams are very important in cycling, they are essential in the flat stages and the early goings of the moutain stages. But every leader has a team that can take care of him in those stages. It's not very often that a team can save the Tour for a leader who's not in good form.

But the Time Trails and the important mountain stages are won and lost based on the individual cyclist's ability, not the respective strenghts of the team. Otherwise the last five years we would have seen an ONCE man win the Tour, not Mr. Armstrong.



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Physically, both events are taxing. Strength and endurance are key in both, with endurance being key in cycling. In cycling, you conquer mountains, in hockey you're rocked by hits. Mental stamina is also a big factor in both.
There's no way you can compare hockey to cycling in respect of physical stamina. Cyclists perform for hours and use an incredible amount of calories during every single stage. Hockey players have short shifts and play 30 mins maximum every other day.



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Players in both sports essentially gear up their season for the respective events. In hockey, 82 games are played with countless practices in between. In cycling, various races are entered to prime up for Le Tour, as well as general training. Both events are the Holy Grails in their respective sports.
Not true.

Cycling is a lot more than just the Tour.
There are races from february to november. And some cylists specialise in the classic one day races as opposed to the others specialising in the Tour.

There are only 10 or 20 cyclists that really focus on the Tour for an entire season, the other guys have different goals to go along with that.



All in all there's no comparison possible, the Tour is probably one of the toughest things to win in sports.


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Huh? How is the Tour hard to win? Its history is literally filled with dynasties, the same guy winning it year after year. Armstrong, Indurain, LeMond, Hinault, Fignon, Merckx, Anquetil, Bobet.... all of them reeling off win after win.

And Armstrong will win it all again this year. Ho hum, write his name on the trophy now.
That's because in cycling the individual determines much more than in most sports. Merckx, Anquetil and co were simply the finest cyclists of their day (Merckx might be the greatest athlete ever). The Tour is so long and so tough that only the very best can win it.

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Actually, I find the Tour a bit questionable. The effort (especially the more or less missing recovery phases) can basically not be handled by a "normal" human body, and that's one of the main reasons why cyclists are so creative when it comes to finding new doping methods. These riders are totally sick from a medicinal standpoint after every stage, and have to be taken care of by medics afterwards (for example I heard that they all get two simultaneous infusions once in the team bus or hotel, because their body could *never* replace all lost calories, minerals, vitamines, etc. timely through normal means). And that's just the completely usual and legal stuff, but it does not end here at all.

A marathon runner runs very few races at full effort per year, because his body needs a lot of time to recuperate. The same applies to triathletes for example. And these cyclists do it again for many days. It's kinda understandable that they look for any available "help". This sport could be much healthier if they would put in more days of rest, but they won't because it would hurt the marketability of the Tour.

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The Tour is an absolutely amazing athletic feat to win. I just got done riding (a motorcycle) on a number of the same roads & stages the tour will be doing next week in the Alps and I still cannot get over the fact that these guys can actually make it to the end. Doping discussions aside, the Tour takes it on the Stanley cup in terms of intensity, willpower, and drive. (Not to take anything away from the Cup)

Until you actually see in person the climbs and descents these guys do at speeds which are nothing other than suicidal for the "common mortel" one cannot fully appreciate what it takes to complete, nevermind win, the Tour.

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