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03-14-2011, 10:20 AM
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Stat trends since the New Year

Some fun with stats on a Monday morning:

Since January 1st "Mini-tron" -
Ennis - 32 GP, 8 goals, 17 assists, 25 points, -1
Gerbe - 27 GP, 8 goals, 6 assists, 14 points, +5
(Byron - 8 GP, 1-1-2, Even)

Tyler Myer has been much better as a defenseman in the last four months. Currently, he has 57 turnovers on the year... at one point in early November he had over 30, and was league-worst. He's now 20th in the league (overall) and behind the following defensemen:

Luke Schenn
Tom Gilbert
Francois Beauchemin
Duncan Keith
Erik Karlsson
Brent Burns
John Carlson
Tomas Kaberle
Brent Seabrook
Drew Doughty
Victor Hedman

Myers has also gone 5-10-15 / even over the 32 games since the New Year.

Pominville haters look away -- 32 GP, 11-14-25 / +8 since January 1st

Vanek haters look away -- 31 GP, 12-23-35 / +8 since Jan. 1st.

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nothing for the Miller-haters?

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I will happily take 1/2 of a sophmore slump as opposed to a full on one.

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Pominville's stats aren't that great. That's about the same pace he usually produces at. He has played fairly well for the most part the past couple months though.

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Gaustad has been pretty effective too: 7G/8A/15P in 31GP, that's a solid 40P pace over a full season, something he's never done. However his PIM have gone down considerably, maybe that has something to do with it.

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Pominville haters look away -- 32 GP, 11-14-25 / +8 since January 1st
No taking anything away from Pominville, because he's been great, but that's right around his career stats, so it's nothing special.

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nothing for the Miller-haters?
Stats don't count when it comes to Miller, so I've been told.

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nothing for the Miller-haters?
Any goal against seems to rankle them. However...

29 games played, 16-8-4, .914 S% (837 saves on 916 shots). He's had three games off and been relieved once in the last 32. 1535:18 minutes played, 79 GA for @ 3.09 GAA.

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A lot of the team has really picked it up since the New Year, which correlates to all the wins we've been getting since then. It's good to see. I'd definitely rather make it into the playoffs this way than starting off hot and cooling down at the end of the year.

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Pominville's stats aren't that great. That's about the same pace he usually produces at. He has played fairly well for the most part the past couple months though.
People were all over him for the weeks after returning from the concussion. Some even seem to have it that he's not scoring any goals... How it's possible to watch games and come to this conclusion remains one of the great mysteries of the world, but hey, hitting for his typical averages since Roy went down is pretty good.

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Vanek haters look away -- 31 GP, 12-23-35 / +8 since Jan. 1st.
and being away from Derek Roy the entire time has nothing to do with it.

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and being away from Derek Roy the entire time has nothing to do with it.
Anyone hear the interview with Ruff the other day where he said (when specifically asked) that he'd still put Vanek back with Roy when Roy comes back?

Edit: It's in this interview at the 14 minute mark: http://audio.wgr550.com/a/37401840/3...?pageid=401026


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Anyone hear the interview with Ruff the other day where he said (when specifically asked) that he'd still put Vanek back with Roy when Roy comes back?

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With a continued hot streak Ennis could legitimately re-enter the ROY contest....

Only a few points back of Couture and like six on Skinner... he is the hottest right now.

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Anyone hear the interview with Ruff the other day where he said (when specifically asked) that he'd still put Vanek back with Roy when Roy comes back?

Edit: It's in this interview at the 14 minute mark: http://audio.wgr550.com/a/37401840/3...?pageid=401026
He doesn't say that he will put them back together, he says that he doesn't have to split them up, and it's not a slam dunk either way.. He said it "gives you more options."

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He doesn't say that he will put them back together, he says that he doesn't have to split them up, and it's not a slam dunk either way.. He said it "gives you more options."
That's true, I just remembered him saying that his first choice for Vanek's center would be Roy and thinking "Noooooooooooooo"

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i'd rather have a big, hard working center who does not dangle as much as roy centering vanek. just like gaustad but more naturally skilled.

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Gaustad has been pretty effective too: 7G/8A/15P in 31GP, that's a solid 40P pace over a full season, something he's never done. However his PIM have gone down considerably, maybe that has something to do with it.
A big factor in Goose's success is his ice time. He has averaged roughly 16 min a night in those games.


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No taking anything away from Pominville, because he's been great, but that's right around his career stats, so it's nothing special
Thats one way to look at it. Another is he has been a catalyst for Vanek's jump in production. In the game Roy was injured and first two games after Vanek was held pointless. Then Jan 1st Pommer was put on the wing opposite Vanek. Pommer had a 4pt night (2g 2a) and Vanek had a 2pt night (1g 1a). Including that game Vanek then went on a 16gm tear scoring 9g 14 23pts.

I think Pommer's role in Vanek's resurgence is overlooked by many. In the game Roy was hurt and the following 2 games Pommer had 1g 3a 4pts. He was the hot hand and was put with Vanek to try to get him going. Since Vanek was working on a 7gm pointless streak prior to getting put with Pommer.

Pommer had been finally playing well after his concussion. He had gotten his game on track in the 13gms prior to getting put with Vanek. He had 5g 6a 11pts (4g 3a in the 10 games prior to Roy's injury) in those games with points in 10 of the 13gms.

Pommer got his game back on track well before the team's surge after the 1st of the year. When you add in those 13 games prior he has 45gms 16g 20a 36pts (a 29g 37a 66pts pace). I agree those are his normal numbers. But I don't think its a coincidence that Vanek took off after getting Pommer as a linemate. They have developed fast chemistry and work well together.

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People were all over him for the weeks after returning from the concussion. Some even seem to have it that he's not scoring any goals... How it's possible to watch games and come to this conclusion remains one of the great mysteries of the world, but hey, hitting for his typical averages since Roy went down is pretty good.
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People were all over him for the weeks after returning from the concussion. Some even seem to have it that he's not scoring any goals... How it's possible to watch games and come to this conclusion remains one of the great mysteries of the world, but hey, hitting for his typical averages since Roy went down is pretty good.
And he doesn't score because he never goes to the net.

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Any goal against seems to rankle them. However...

29 games played, 16-8-4, .914 S% (837 saves on 916 shots). He's had three games off and been relieved once in the last 32. 1535:18 minutes played, 79 GA for @ 3.09 GAA.
Quietly, we are also 7th in the league in GF/Game. Higher Risk system. I'm not at all worried about Miller's stats under this scenario. If our team defense was better, his numbers would be as well. I'm also not convinced he's not still nursing that injury from the beginning of the season.

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Quietly, we are also 7th in the league in GF/Game. Higher Risk system. I'm not at all worried about Miller's stats under this scenario. If our team defense was better, his numbers would be as well. I'm also not convinced he's not still nursing that injury from the beginning of the season.

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Ditto. Taking a cue from some people who typically have reliable insight into that sort of thing, yeah. Just win right now. If it's winning ugly, so be it. Just get there.

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Quietly, we are also 7th in the league in GF/Game. Higher Risk system. I'm not at all worried about Miller's stats under this scenario. If our team defense was better, his numbers would be as well. I'm also not convinced he's not still nursing that injury from the beginning of the season.

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We also have by far the lowest percentage of payroll allocated to our top-6 defensemen in the league. It was in a recent THN, so I'm sure others have seen this as well. At the time of the article, Buffalo only had 17.2% of its payroll dedicated to its top-6 defensemen. I think only one other team was under 20%. And if you take out Morrisonn, who is arguably our worst defensemen, that number gets even smaller:

Leopold: 3.000
Montador: 1.550
Myers: 1.300
Sekera: 1.000
Butler: .850
Weber: .550
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Morrisonn: 2.075

Top-6 Total:8.250
Team Cap Payroll: 55.77
% Allocation to Top-6 Defensemen: 14.8%

Start investing in the defense and you'll see Miller's numbers go up.

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We also have by far the lowest percentage of payroll allocated to our top-6 defensemen in the league. It was in a recent THN, so I'm sure others have seen this as well. At the time of the article, Buffalo only had 17.2% of its payroll dedicated to its top-6 defensemen. I think only one other team was under 20%. And if you take out Morrisonn, who is arguably our worst defensemen, that number gets even smaller:

Leopold: 3.000
Montador: 1.550
Myers: 1.300
Sekera: 1.000
Butler: .850
Weber: .550
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Morrisonn: 2.075

Top-6 Total:8.250
Team Cap Payroll: 55.77
% Allocation to Top-6 Defensemen: 14.8%

Start investing in the defense and you'll see Miller's numbers go up.
That's a little mis-leading. Myers is on an ELC (for 1 more year) and then will get a huge raise.
Sekera, Butler and Webs are all RFAs this year and will be in line for big raises (maybe not Butler).

The point being that the defensive payroll is only so low because they are young, not because they are bad. Put another way, paying $6M to Wade Redden makes the defense more expensive, not better.

EDIT: Don't forget that we had Rivet at $3.5M, and he couldn't play his way out of the press box.

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Ditto. Taking a cue from some people who typically have reliable insight into that sort of thing, yeah. Just win right now. If it's winning ugly, so be it. Just get there.
There is a time for analysis and argument and a time to just shut up and watch. We're in that mode right now. Cheer the wins, the goals and the saves. Given where they were in November, this is rapidly becoming one of my favorite seasons since I became a fan.

Something cool is happening here and we have people pushing agendas and picking nits as opposed to going along with it and enjoying it. There's a time to put on your inner-Jerry Sullivan and there's a time to be a fan like you were when you were a kid. Just win baby. At this point, I'm just going to enjoy it. And I could care less if I'm right about things.

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Thats one way to look at it. Another is he has been a catalyst for Vanek's jump in production. In the game Roy was injured and first two games after Vanek was held pointless. Then Jan 1st Pommer was put on the wing opposite Vanek. Pommer had a 4pt night (2g 2a) and Vanek had a 2pt night (1g 1a). Including that game Vanek then went on a 16gm tear scoring 9g 14 23pts.

I think Pommer's role in Vanek's resurgence is overlooked by many. In the game Roy was hurt and the following 2 games Pommer had 1g 3a 4pts. He was the hot hand and was put with Vanek to try to get him going. Since Vanek was working on a 7gm pointless streak prior to getting put with Pommer.

Pommer had been finally playing well after his concussion. He had gotten his game on track in the 13gms prior to getting put with Vanek. He had 5g 6a 11pts (4g 3a in the 10 games prior to Roy's injury) in those games with points in 10 of the 13gms.

Pommer got his game back on track well before the team's surge after the 1st of the year. When you add in those 13 games prior he has 45gms 16g 20a 36pts (a 29g 37a 66pts pace). I agree those are his normal numbers. But I don't think its a coincidence that Vanek took off after getting Pommer as a linemate. They have developed fast chemistry and work well together.
Not exactly sure why you quoted me. I didn't say a negative word about Pominville, still doesn't change the fact that his numbers are fairly standard. In a thread where it's all about stats, that's all that matters. I agree that he's playing well and I agree that he and Vanek have good chemistry.

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