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03-14-2011, 03:48 PM
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Parise to Ottawa

I do realize that Parise is gonna be re-signed in NJ, but if negotiations don't go well I was wondering what it would take from Ottawa to get this very talented player.

To Ott
Parise

To NJD
Karlsson
one of Foligno, Michalek, Regin, Smith
Ott 2nd/11 (currently 32nd)

Would that be enough if NJD would be willing to take offers for Parise.

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You don't even offer your 1st?

Karlsson is not worth nearly that much.

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You don't even offer your 1st?

Karlsson is not worth nearly that much.
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Karlsson is 20 years old and on pace for 47 points. His defensive game needs some work, but the Devils could really use a player like Karlsson. I would offer Nashville's 1st + Karlsson + Foligno for Parise. Maybe a bit more.

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Please include Colin Greening in all future offers.

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Karlsson has a TON of value. A 20-year old defenceman, on pace for 47 points on the 2nd-worst team in the entire league, despite the team around him being filled with AHLers and no real system to speak of. Oh, and he is exactly what you guys need. And he's still on an ELC until the end of next season, then has 4 years of RFA after that.

Combine that with Michalek, a good young, fast power forward, good in all 3 zones and on the PP/PK/ES, and a good young prospect/player, yeah, its very good value for NJ, bordering on overpayment from OTT.

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NJD probably won't buy into that offer.

Maybe

OTT 1st
Karlsson
Foligno or one of those other guys you mentioned.

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ZP has hardly played this year and is coming off a major injury that would likely lower his value abit IMO if ottawa wants him sign him as a RFA and low ball him and hopefully all we will loose is a1st 2nd and 3rd

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NJD probably won't buy into that offer.

Maybe

OTT 1st
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Foligno or one of those other guys you mentioned.
If that's the price to pay for Parise, then Ottawa is in no position to pay it.

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ZP has hardly played this year and is coming off a major injury that would likely lower his value abit IMO if ottawa wants him sign him as a RFA and low ball him and hopefully all we will loose is a1st 2nd and 3rd
Parise won't make it that far. Lou is going to bring Parise to salary arbitration which happens before July 1st should the Devils and Parise not come to an agreement before then.

Parise won't be leaving the Devils any time soon, IMO.

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Parise won't make it that far. Lou is going to bring Parise to salary arbitration which happens before July 1st should the Devils and Parise not come to an agreement before then.

Parise won't be leaving the Devils any time soon, IMO.
does parise have to sign what the arbitrator decides?

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ZP has hardly played this year and is coming off a major injury that would likely lower his value abit IMO if ottawa wants him sign him as a RFA and low ball him and hopefully all we will loose is a1st 2nd and 3rd
None of this matters.

If Parise's value is "lowered", which it most likely isn't, the Devils would not even consider the mere idea of trading Parise.

He's their franchise backbone, they'll sign him no matter the cost.


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No.

He can walk away from it if he wants.
Players have no walk-away rights.

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I confused myself with other situations.

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there paying kovalchuk the premium to be there and unless parise really wants to be there and is willing to take a hometown discount they will have around 3m to sign 5 other players to fill there roster unless they can find someone to take on rolston or zubrus' bad contracts

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there paying kovalchuk the premium to be there and unless parise really wants to be there and is willing to take a hometown discount they will have around 3m to sign 5 other players to fill there roster unless they can find someone to take on rolston or zubrus' bad contracts
Kovalchuk's cap hit is around 6.5~ mil.

Considering his level of play and talent, I don't consider that a "premium". But you can have your opinion on that.

They'll find a way to sign Parise.

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**** that. That would screw us up for no reason. We still have holes to fill. Stay the course

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they will have around 3m to sign 5 other players
What cap calc are you looking at? Cap geek gives them 7.5 mill for 5 players, then when you add 2-3 mill cap raise, and take out Salvador who will most likely be out for them beginning of the season, the Devils have enough to sign Parise and fill in spots w/o a problem.

Why would Parise go to the basement of the league anyway? He wouldn't sign with team that is beginning a long rebuilding process (By the time their contending again he would be way out of his prime) and they don't have what it takes to acquire him. A team like LA has all lot more to offer in terms of assets and will be a contender.

But Parise has never said anything but that he wants to sign with NJ and Lou doesn't give out contracts during the season, so much more than likely he is competing in NJ for the foreseeable future.

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03-14-2011, 05:41 PM
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Parise is extremely overrated if you think he is worth Karlsson + Ottawa's 1st plus. Nevermind he has played 12 games and scored 6 pts this year.

Karlsson alone putting up 65 pts could have as much or more value than him by next year.

Plus Parise will be 27. Even if he was coming of a 90 pts season, I would not make that type of offer for him this summer, nevermind playing 12 games and scoring 6 pts.

For a rebuilding team to trade a way a 20 year old all-star 50 pt dman, a top lottery pick, plus for a 27 year old coming off injury plagued season is IDIOTIC.

Offer sheet him if you want him that bad and risk the draft picks.

You don't even get that much return for star players at the top of their game now a days. Heck, that would be way better return than Ottawa got from an idiotic Milbury for a 26 year old Yashin coming of a 44 goals 90 pts season in the dead puck era NHL and a hart trophy runner up. 21 year old Zdeno Chara was tough of as a fighter and maybe a future decent dman in the NHL if he can figure out how to skate first.


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No thanks...Too much upside for Karlsson...That and I want to see him play with Rundblad

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there paying kovalchuk the premium to be there and unless parise really wants to be there and is willing to take a hometown discount they will have around 3m to sign 5 other players to fill there roster unless they can find someone to take on rolston or zubrus' bad contracts
Copyied & pasted from the other awful Parise thread on the main page:

We have $12.8M in cap space next year. Salvador is finished and will go on LTIR ($2.9M), and an additional $2M from Mair/Hedberg walking.

Parise makes $3.125M, so his raise will only take up an additional $3.5-4M leaving us to sign nearly $9M a defenseman (if we don't re-sign Greene) and a back-up goaltender.

Zajac/Kovalchuk/Elias/Palmieri/Zubrus/Rolston/Josefson/Tedenby/Clarkson/Pelley/Steckel/Zharkov (RFA)

12 forwards. Parise makes 13.

Volchenkov/White/Tallinder/Fayne/Taormina (RFA)/Corrente (RFA, healthy scratch)

6 defensemen.

Brodeur

1 goaltender.

This is even before factoring in the cap increase next season. As mentioned before, we match anything under $8M without hesitation.

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Nope. That's not nearly enough.

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Parise is extremely overrated if you think he is worth Karlsson + Ottawa's 1st plus. Nevermind he has played 12 games and scored 6 pts this year.

Karlsson alone putting up 65 pts could have as much or more value than him by next year.

Plus Parise will be 27. Even if he was coming of a 90 pts season, I would not make that type of offer for him this summer, nevermind playing 12 games and scoring 6 pts.

For a rebuilding team to trade a way a 20 year old all-star 50 pt dman, a top lottery pick, plus for a 27 year old coming off injury plagued season is IDIOTIC.

Offer sheet him if you want him that bad and risk the draft picks.

You don't even get that much return for star players at the top of their game now a days. Heck, that would be way better return than Ottawa got from an idiotic Milbury for a 26 year old Yashin coming of a 44 goals 90 pts season in the dead puck era NHL and a hart trophy runner up. 21 year old Zdeno Chara was tough of as a fighter and maybe a future decent dman in the NHL if he can figure out how to skate first.
27 is old now? Parise is a franchise player in his prime RIGHT NOW, that sounds exactly like the type of player that a rebuilding team should go after.

Injury PLAGUED? I don't think you understand what a torn meniscus is. He did not have a torn MCL/ACL. He had arthroscopic surgery. He just tore a little cartilage. There was no reconstructive work done. The reason he had such a long recovery period was because he needed physical therapy from the muscle atrophy.

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Sens can just have Parise honestly. Devils don't want him. Parise wants out. He was very upset that we traded Langenbrunner. Not to mention, we don't have cap space and we're rebuilding. Plus we're financially unstable, have no fan base, and play the boring trap in a ghetto city.

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