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06-01-2011, 05:30 PM
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I'm just using those as templates for the value of 2nd round draft picks... just for comparison.

Again, I don't see anything in Erixon's game that suggests a "lock for a top 4 defenseman" at all. Could he be? Sure. But just like the two 2nd rounders, it's a risk. I'll take two players that have a 40% shot to be contributors than one who has a 65% shot.

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I admittedly have only seen Erixon in the WJC last year and this year, and other small clips here and there, but he struck me as more of a lock to be a top 4 guy than any of our prospects outside of maybe Dumoulin. Erixon has the size, the pedigree, the skill set, etc to be a top 4 guy by all accounts. He has played against men in the 3rd best league in the world for 2 years now. The only questionable part of his game is how his offensive game will transfer to the NHL, but you don't have to be a great puckmover to be a top 4 d-man, just look at Gleason. Like I said, the Flames will be lucky to draft another prospect like this in the 2nd round.

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I admittedly have only seen Erixon in the WJC last year and this year, and other small clips here and there, but he struck me as more of a lock to be a top 4 guy than any of our prospects outside of maybe Dumoulin. Erixon has the size, the pedigree, the skill set, etc to be a top 4 guy by all accounts. He has played against men in the 3rd best league in the world for 2 years now. The only questionable part of his game is how his offensive game will transfer to the NHL, but you don't have to be a great puckmover to be a top 4 d-man, just look at Gleason. Like I said, the Flames will be lucky to draft another prospect like this in the 2nd round.
Tim Gleason has been anything but a top-4 defenseman the past two years.

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06-01-2011, 06:13 PM
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Tim Gleason has been anything but a top-4 defenseman the past two years.
Gleason has one bad year (not two -- he was good the year of the Olympics, if he was as bad as you think he was, he wouldn't have been selected to the Olympics even as an injury replacement) and he's all the sudden not a top 4 d-man anymore? Are you kidding? It really is what have you done for me lately on HFboards these days.

But even if you just want to single out that part of my argument, just replace Gleason with Rob Scuderi, Marc Staal, Anton Volchenkov, Robyn Regehr, Zbynek Michalek, Willie Mitchell, Dan Hamhuis, Douglas Murray, etc, etc.

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Gleason has one bad year (not two -- he was good the year of the Olympics, if he was as bad as you think he was, he wouldn't have been selected to the Olympics even as an injury replacement) and he's all the sudden not a top 4 d-man anymore? Are you kidding? It really is what have you done for me lately on HFboards these days.

But even if you just want to single out that part of my argument, just replace Gleason with Rob Scuderi, Marc Staal, Anton Volchenkov, Robyn Regehr, Zbynek Michalek, Willie Mitchell, Dan Hamhuis, Douglas Murray, etc, etc.
I don't think he was good in 09-10 at all... his best hockey was played in the Olympics.

Erixon isn't even close to those other guys defensively.

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06-03-2011, 11:18 AM
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its a risk both ways. the rangers, while lately going much younger than usual (mostly out of necessity) are still a team that would prefer not to wait four years for a prospect when they can have one now. much like us. calgary got the most they could for someone who didnt want to play for them, maybe they couldve overpaid him in bonuses or something and gotten him to stay but they decided to cut bait while there was still time. i doubt that the flames doubt erixon's ability, they just got what they could from a growing bad situation.

every team needs quality young defenseman with skill. i dont think either team did anything wrong with this trade. he's a swede, even if he doesnt have a huge impact offensively he has the skill to move the puck out of the zone well. time will tell, but i dont blame the rangers at all for this one. i think erixon is a pretty legit prospect from what ive seen. i think he's a lock to make the nhl in some capacity and that right there makes him worth the trade imo.

the gleason point is a legit one, though ive always wondered how big a role he would play for a higher end team. we play him as a top 2/3 guy, to me he is a 3/4 guy at his best - but thats what ive thought of him the whole time. he hasnt really had bad years, this is what he is. the more we play him in tough situations the more he gets exposed in them.


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06-03-2011, 12:31 PM
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At this point, Mark NcNeill leads all prospects with 13 on bench press (150 lbs). Oleksiak next at 12. RNH had strong showing with 6.
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Little Rocco Grimaldi of U.S. U-18 program has best vertical leap so far. Huge teammate Tyler Biggs next and McNeill 3rd.

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06-03-2011, 12:36 PM
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McNeill sounds more and more like a Canes pick with those results. IIRC we're always high on the guys who test well (Sutter, Biega, Bowman).

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Apparently the Canes have had discussions with Danish power forward Thomas Spelling's agent. Spelling is a 6'2 174 lbs winger who won Rookie of the Year and the league championship as a member of the Herning Blue Fox in 2010-11. Spelling also pulled off a rare feat, winning Gold for Denmark at both the Division 1 U20 and U18 World Juniors.

Spelling is a raw but dynamic skater with good top-end speed. He possesses both excellent hands and above-average hockey sense, a trait that aids him both offensively and defensively. Physically, Spelling does not go out of his way to initiate contact, but will fight for time and space around the net.

Spelling is expected to be selected anywhere from the 5th to 7th rounds.

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At this point, Mark NcNeill leads all prospects with 13 on bench press (150 lbs). Oleksiak next at 12. RNH had strong showing with 6.
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Little Rocco Grimaldi of U.S. U-18 program has best vertical leap so far. Huge teammate Tyler Biggs next and McNeill 3rd.

I like Mark McNeill more and more as each day passes. To me, he's Brenden Morrow-like.

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Right now, McNeill is the guy I hope we end up with unless Murphy or Hamilton is still on the board.

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Based on everything JR has said since the season ended, this is how I feel his board looks like. (excluding the likes of RNH, Larsson and Landeskog etc..)

1. D Ryan Murphy (I think this is the guy JR really wants and if the sky falls and JR trades up, I think it will be for Murphy)
2. F Mark McNeill
3. F Joel Armia
4. F Sven Bartschi
5. D Duncan Siemens
6. F Mika Zibanejad
7. F Mark Scheifele
8. F Niklas Jensen
9. D Nathan Beaulieu
10. F Matt Puempel

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McNeill sounds more and more like a Canes pick with those results. IIRC we're always high on the guys who test well (Sutter, Biega, Bowman).
This is interesting, retweeted by McKenzie:

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Probably the best overall performance SO FAR today has been Connor Murphy - 2011 #NHL Combine
Since our pattern is CHL forward, US Defenseman I was looking at guys we might pick up in the 2nd and he was one I looked at. It might be a bit of a stretch that he'll be available at 42, he's been projected to go a little earlier, but an option nonetheless.

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I don't think he was good in 09-10 at all... his best hockey was played in the Olympics.

Erixon isn't even close to those other guys defensively.
Yeah I didn't say he was as good as them already. I just was saying you don't have to be a great puckmover to be a top 4 d-man. Way to miss the point. Not like this is going anywhere anyway.

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I really hope Canes will pick Miikka Salomäki if he's available later rounds. This Tuomo Ruutu lite will most likely end up in NHL in 3 or 4 years.

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here's my top 30 as of right now. If it weren't for the Russian Factor Namestnikov would be top 15 and Khoklachev would be 30

1 - Ryan Nugent-Hopikins, C Red Deer, WHL
2 - Adam Larsson, D, Skelleftea, SWE
3 - Gabriel Landeskog, LW, Kitchener, OHL
4 - Jonathan Huberdeau, C, Saint John, QMJHL
5 - Ryan Strome, C, Niagara, OHL
6 - Dougie Hamilton, D, Niagara, OHL
7 - Ryan Murphy, D, Kitchener, OHL
8 - Nathan Beaulieu, D, Saint John, QMJHL
9 - Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville, QMJHL
10 - Mika Zibanejad, C , Djurgarden, SWE
11 - Duncan Siemens, D, Saskatoon, WHL
12 - Mark McNeill, C, Prince Albert, WHL
13 - Mark Scheifele, C, Barrie, OHL
14 - Joel Armia, RW, Assat, FIN
15 - Jonas Brodin, D, Farjestad, SWE
16 - Oscar Klefbom, D, Farjestad, SWE
17 - Rocco Grimaldi, C, USNTDP, USHL
18 - Joe Morrow, D, Portland, WHL
19 - Jamie Oleksiak, D, Northeastern, Hockey East
20 - Sven Baertschi, LW, Portland, WHL
21 - Matt Puempel, LW, Peterborough, OHL
22 - Scott Mayfield, D, Youngstown, USHL
23 - Zach Phillips, C, Saint John, QMJHL
24 - Ty Rattie, RW, Portland, WHL
25 - Vladislav Namestnikov, C, London, OHL
26 - Tomas Jurco, RW, Saint John, QMJHL
27 - Brandon Saad, LW, Saginaw, OHL
28 - John Gibson, G, USNTDP, USHL
29 - Nicklas Jensen, W, Oshawa, OHL
30 - JT Miller, C, USNTDP, USHL

Biggs I have as #31

some sleepers that I like this year: RW Konstantin Komarek, W Andrew Fritsch, D Scott Harrington, C TJ Tynan, C Reid Boucher


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06-15-2011, 12:45 PM
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here's my top 30 as of right now. If it weren't for the Russian Factor Namestnikov would be top 15 and Khoklachev would be 30

1 - Ryan Nugent-Hopikins, C Red Deer, WHL
2 - Adam Larsson, D, Skelleftea, SWE
3 - Gabriel Landeskog, LW, Kitchener, OHL
4 - Jonathan Huberdeau, C, Saint John, QMJHL
5 - Ryan Strome, C, Niagara, OHL
6 - Dougie Hamilton, D, Niagara, OHL
7 - Ryan Murphy, D, Kitchener, OHL
8 - Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville, QMJHL
9 - Mika Zibanejad, C , Djurgarden, SWE
10 - Duncan Siemens, D, Saskatoon, WHL
11 - Mark McNeill, C, Prince Albert, WHL
12 - Mark Scheifele, C, Barrie, OHL
13 - Joel Armia, RW, Assat, FIN
14 - Jonas Brodin, D, Farjestad, SWE
15 - Oscar Klefbom, D, Farjestad, SWE
16 - Rocco Grimaldi, C, USNTDP, USHL
17 - Joe Morrow, D, Portland, WHL
18 - Jamie Oleksiak, D, Northeastern, Hockey East
19 - Sven Baertschi, LW, Portland, WHL
20 - Matt Puempel, LW, Peterborough, OHL
21 - Scott Mayfield, D, Youngstown, USHL
22 - Zach Phillips, C, Saint John, QMJHL
23 - Ty Rattie, RW, Portland, WHL
24 - Vladislav Namestnikov, C, London, OHL
25 - Tomas Jurco, RW, Saint John, QMJHL
26 - Brandon Saad, LW, Saginaw, OHL
27 - John Gibson, G, USNTDP, USHL
28 - Nicklas Jensen, W, Oshawa, OHL
29 - JT Miller, C, USNTDP, USHL
30 - Tyler Biggs, RW, USNTDP, USHL
Very good list. Only things I would disagree with would be switching Saad and Jurco, Bartschi and Oleksiak, and I would have Huberdeau second followed by Larsson then Landeskog

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here's my top 30 as of right now. If it weren't for the Russian Factor Namestnikov would be top 15 and Khoklachev would be 30

1 - Ryan Nugent-Hopikins, C Red Deer, WHL
2 - Adam Larsson, D, Skelleftea, SWE
3 - Gabriel Landeskog, LW, Kitchener, OHL
4 - Jonathan Huberdeau, C, Saint John, QMJHL
5 - Ryan Strome, C, Niagara, OHL
6 - Dougie Hamilton, D, Niagara, OHL
7 - Ryan Murphy, D, Kitchener, OHL
8 - Sean Couturier, C, Drummondville, QMJHL
9 - Mika Zibanejad, C , Djurgarden, SWE
10 - Duncan Siemens, D, Saskatoon, WHL
11 - Mark McNeill, C, Prince Albert, WHL
12 - Mark Scheifele, C, Barrie, OHL
13 - Joel Armia, RW, Assat, FIN
14 - Jonas Brodin, D, Farjestad, SWE
15 - Oscar Klefbom, D, Farjestad, SWE
16 - Rocco Grimaldi, C, USNTDP, USHL
17 - Joe Morrow, D, Portland, WHL
18 - Jamie Oleksiak, D, Northeastern, Hockey East
19 - Sven Baertschi, LW, Portland, WHL
20 - Matt Puempel, LW, Peterborough, OHL
21 - Scott Mayfield, D, Youngstown, USHL
22 - Zach Phillips, C, Saint John, QMJHL
23 - Ty Rattie, RW, Portland, WHL
24 - Vladislav Namestnikov, C, London, OHL
25 - Tomas Jurco, RW, Saint John, QMJHL
26 - Brandon Saad, LW, Saginaw, OHL
27 - John Gibson, G, USNTDP, USHL
28 - Nicklas Jensen, W, Oshawa, OHL
29 - JT Miller, C, USNTDP, USHL
30 - Tyler Biggs, RW, USNTDP, USHL
Good list. Like Anton the Great said, Bartschi might be a little low. Only other thing is I don't see Beaulieu on the list.

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06-15-2011, 01:01 PM
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I completely forgot Beaulieu actually, who I honestly have over Couturier

2-4 are damn close for me and it's honestly going to come down to team needs. That's what makes me think the most that Siemens or Beaulieu will fall to us, because I think Colorado takes Larsson, then goes forward at #11.

Honestly not so sure why I'm so low on Bartschi and Rattie this year. I think a lot of it has to do with the team they played for being so good and veteran heavy, whereas with Saint John most of the heavy lifting was done by their draft eligibles IMO.

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I have this crazy feeling that one of Couturier, Siemens, or Beaulieu falls to us, but JR doesn't pick one of them. Like Sather last year with McIlrath over Fowler/Gormley.

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I have this crazy feeling that one of Couturier, Siemens, or Beaulieu falls to us, but JR doesn't pick one of them. Like Sather last year with McIlrath over Fowler/Gormley.
You never know, all it takes is one team liking a player to throw things off.

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I will eat my hat if Couturier falls to us. If he falls past 5th, there will be a number of teams lining up to trade back into range. I suspect that the Oilers are trying to get back up into the Top 5 again JUST to take this player.

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From what I understand, the Canes have targeted *one* forward and *one* defenseman. I don't think they care a whole lot about who falls to them. In other words, if Couturier is the forward they are targeting and he falls to them, they will take him. If he's not the forward they are targeting and he falls to them, they will not take him.

They really don't venture far from their list in the first round and they have absolutely *no* qualms about leaving a guy off the list entirely if they don't like him or don't think his game will translate. In other words, if they don't like Larsson and he inexplicably goes into freefall, they still won't take him at 12.

They're kind of a boring team for anyone who enjoys the inner workings of a draft.

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Sorry for the graphic nature of this post, but I just saw a highlight video of Shane Prince and I nearly wet my pants. Is he really *that* quick? He's not *that* small, either (5-10 1/4, 174 is about the same as Skinner last year at this time, isn't it?). Why is he the No. 26-ranked North American skater? What am I missing here?

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Sorry for the graphic nature of this post, but I just saw a highlight video of Shane Prince and I nearly wet my pants. Is he really *that* quick? He's not *that* small, either (5-10 1/4, 174 is about the same as Skinner last year at this time, isn't it?). Why is he the No. 26-ranked North American skater? What am I missing here?
I don't know what's missing, he seems like this year's Skinner. If he falls to us at our second round pick, I'd scream, but I'd even be OK with us trading into the second half of the first round for us to take him, kid's a stud...

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