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03-17-2011, 12:36 PM
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Nashville-Toronto-Montreal

Nashville:
Macarthur
7th Rd Pick(2012 NYR)
Conditional 6th (MTL 2012)
7th Rd Pick 2011(MTL)

Tornto:
Ryan Ellis
Conditional 2nd 2012(Re-signs)

Montreal:
J.P Dumont


The Condition on the montreal 6th is if Dumont scores 20 or more goals next season
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03-17-2011, 12:37 PM
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Nty from MTL, we don't need his 4M cap hit even if you were giving him for free.

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Why the **** would Nashville do that?

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Why the **** would Nashville do that?
they wouldnt

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Nty from MTL, we don't need his 4M cap hit even if you were giving him for free.
Agreed. With the emergence of Pacioretty (hopefully he is recovered for next year), and the burgeoning chemistry between Eller and Kostitsyn, I don't think we're so desperate for a scoring winger... taking on Dumont would likely imply moving Kostitsyn, and right now I don't make that exchange. I wouldn't take Dumont for free. Even the conditionality on the pick doesn't really help, since if it came at the cost of Kostitsyn as well, even 20 goals from Dumont is no real improvement on what we already have.

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Nashville:
Macarthur
7th Rd Pick(2012 NYR)
Conditional 6th (MTL 2012)
7th Rd Pick 2011(MTL)

Tornto:
Ryan Ellis
Conditional 2nd 2012(Re-signs)

Montreal:
J.P Dumont


The Condition on the montreal 6th is if Dumont scores 20 or more goals next season
So Nashville gives up a top prospect, a top 6 winger (granted struggling right now), and the best pick by 4 rounds to get MacArthur, an unsigned RFA winger looking for a big raise? I get that Mac is having a good season, but it is his first good season in the NHL.

Would Toronto trade Kadri for Mason Raymond? He had similar #'s last season to what MacArthur is putting up this year? If your answer is no - it's the same as Nashvilles response to this proposal.

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03-17-2011, 12:49 PM
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Agreed. With the emergence of Pacioretty (hopefully he is recovered for next year), and the burgeoning chemistry between Eller and Kostitsyn, I don't think we're so desperate for a scoring winger... taking on Dumont would likely imply moving Kostitsyn, and right now I don't make that exchange. I wouldn't take Dumont for free. Even the conditionality on the pick doesn't really help, since if it came at the cost of Kostitsyn as well, even 20 goals from Dumont is no real improvement on what we already have.
Rumor has it, Pacioretty may be back for playoffs. He is scheduled to resume skating MArch 26

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so does Toronto want us to be the farm team?

you want ellis? pony up Kadri and a first. only way Toronto gets him from poile, who loves the kid.

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so does Toronto want us to be the farm team?

you want ellis? pony up Kadri and a first. only way Toronto gets him from poile, who loves the kid.
lol? Why would Toronto add a 1st to Kadri? It wasn't too long ago when Burke chose Kadri over Ellis and a bunch of other prospects, unless your implying that Ellis has raised his value while Kadri has lowered his, which would not make a-lot of sense tbh

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lol? Why would Toronto add a 1st to Kadri? It wasn't too long ago when Burke chose Kadri over Ellis and a bunch of other prospects, unless your implying that Ellis has raised his value while Kadri has lowered his, which would not make a-lot of sense tbh
Kadri ---> 18 games played = 0 goals! Thats some good elite stuff right there. I would take Ellis over Kadri hands down.

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I understand taking dumont, but I'd expect you'd have to take a problem of ours too. Otherwise, no point.

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so does Toronto want us to be the farm team?

you want ellis? pony up Kadri and a first. only way Toronto gets him from poile, who loves the kid.
Joke of the day

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Kadri ---> 18 games played = 0 goals! Thats some good elite stuff right there. I would take Ellis over Kadri hands down.
This means absolutely everything.

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Dumont has been playing like absolute garbage, so I'd take that return just to clear up a roster spot for a more deserving prospect. Even if he goes on to do good things with Montreal, that return is more than they got for Ryder.

I don't like the Toronto side, though. Ellis is a risky prospect, certainly, but his upside is still very high. MacArthur would help, but he is not a definitive solution to our scoring woes, and if we're trading Ellis, it has to be for that definitive solution.

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Kadri ---> 18 games played = 0 goals! Thats some good elite stuff right there. I would take Ellis over Kadri hands down.
hah, you probably said the same thing about stamkos, shows how unrelevant that is

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Kadri ---> 18 games played = 0 goals! Thats some good elite stuff right there. I would take Ellis over Kadri hands down.


Ellis ---> 0 games played = Not even in the NHL yet! That's some good elite stuff right there. I would take Kadri over Ellis hands down.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

The fact that you think Kadri, who was chosen 4 spots ahead of Ellis in the 2009 draft, and has dominated the OHL, and a league much more difficult to produce in for a young player (the AHL), and is even getting time in the NHL, has less value then a guy who hasn't even shown what he can do in the AHL, or NHL is just plain ignorant

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6th and 7th rounders FTW.

This guy is a troll. Started a Phaneuf for Norris thread earlier

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Ellis ---> 0 games played = Not even in the NHL yet! That's some good elite stuff right there. I would take Kadri over Ellis hands down.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

The fact that you think Kadri, who was chosen 4 spots ahead of Ellis in the 2009 draft, and has dominated the OHL, and a league much more difficult to produce in for a young player (the AHL), and is even getting time in the NHL, has less value then a guy who hasn't even shown what he can do in the AHL, or NHL is just plain ignorant
I'm quoting this next time a Leafs fan bashes Hodgson.

That being said, Nashville has invested alot in Ellis. They don't want to move him, and the package presented doesn't do it for them. That is why there is a hyperbolic demand of Kadri and a 1st. Is that market value? Of course not, but every Leafs fan that says they'd rather have Kadri over Ellis (and props to you), consider Nashville wanting Kadri for Ellis...you'd want more then just straight up, right? He is YOUR guy. You don't want to give him away for a temporary scoring solution, or for the other teams prospect.

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lol? Why would Toronto add a 1st to Kadri? It wasn't too long ago when Burke chose Kadri over Ellis and a bunch of other prospects, unless your implying that Ellis has raised his value while Kadri has lowered his, which would not make a-lot of sense tbh
if I remember right, Kadri was a reach when he went that high. And I am not implying anything, I think Ellis is the better prospect. 2nd-3rd line centers are a dime a dozen. Puck moving defenseman with cannons for shots don't grow on trees. But hey, if you like Kadri and the first round pick, good for leaf fans. Maybe burk will get lucky and draft someone that can contribute.

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This means absolutely everything.
Well what else does....he is not even good defensively. I am telling you: HE is a bust. I honestly truly believe that.

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Emphatic no form Montreal. You want Spacek or Gomez (lol), we can work something out. Past that, Montreal will not pay for Dumont, and doesn't have the cap space to really eat his contract if you wanted to just dump him on us.

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If the Habs can't find a better winger than Dumont in free agency this offseason, than I'd probably do Spacek for Dumont if Nashville needs a defenseman after July 1st. Don't really see any other way Dumont could come to Montreal on his current contract though.

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so does Toronto want us to be the farm team?

you want ellis? pony up Kadri and a first. only way Toronto gets him from poile, who loves the kid.
I think everyone missed the point of this post.

Ellis won't be traded from Nashville unless there's an overpayment. And rightfully so, they'd be crazy to deal him at this point.

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Well what else does....he is not even good defensively. I am telling you: HE is a bust. I honestly truly believe that.
I think it's a bit too early to say that. He's only 20.

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if I remember right, Kadri was a reach when he went that high. And I am not implying anything, I think Ellis is the better prospect. 2nd-3rd line centers are a dime a dozen. Puck moving defenseman with cannons for shots don't grow on trees. But hey, if you like Kadri and the first round pick, good for leaf fans. Maybe burk will get lucky and draft someone that can contribute.
Not really.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=281920
This guy has him at 9

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11908
Pierre and this Button guy had him at 9

http://www.canada.com/sports/2009+mo...608/story.html
this site had him at 9

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2009-NHL-Mock-Draft/
This site had him at 11

So he was picked a couple of spots earlier then what some thought. And if you re-look at those mock drafts, the first one had Ellis at 10, the second one had Ellis at 12, the third one had Ellis at 14, and the fourth one had Ellis at 14, does that mean he was a reach as-well? No.


And what makes Ryan Ellis the better prospect? Honestly, based on what do you think makes him a better prospect then Kadri? Kadri has shown he can succeed @ the OHL level, the WJC, the AHL, and has been average in the NHL, while showing some flashes of great play-making abilities.

Why do you think he can only become a 2nd-3rd line center? Surely the Maple Leaf scouts wouldn't have picked him at 7 if they only thought he could become a 2nd-3rd line center. We all have our opinions but honestly, with the way Kadri has been developing, all indications point that he should be a solid top six forward (Whether it be center or wing), putting up around 60-70 points. IMO that's good for being a 1st liner or at-least a fringe 1st liner.

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Kadri ---> 18 games played = 0 goals! Thats some good elite stuff right there. I would take Ellis over Kadri hands down.
Cause Ellis is lighting it up in the NHL right now right?

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